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ajspurs

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What worries me is the amount that seemingly needs to be done and the quantity we may need in. All seems like too much activity needs to be done in 2 days. With Clinton, Nkoudou, Mason, Son, getting a midfielder in plus maybe another attacking player etc.
 

Rob

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Anyone fancy putting together a round-up of the latest in/out rumours that we can sticky? If you do, feel free to make a thread in here.
 

HildoSpur

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What worries me is the amount that seemingly needs to be done and the quantity we may need in. All seems like too much activity needs to be done in 2 days. With Clinton, Nkoudou, Mason, Son, getting a midfielder in plus maybe another attacking player etc.

The problem seems to have been some of the players not wanting to leave and only now realising they probably need to - this has pushed everything back (at no fault of the club) - as others have said you can't force people to leave the club.
 

TEESSIDE1

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What worries me is the amount that seemingly needs to be done and the quantity we may need in. All seems like too much activity needs to be done in 2 days. With Clinton, Nkoudou, Mason, Son, getting a midfielder in plus maybe another attacking player etc.

It will be GKN and Lopez, no more. I just don't get why we're apparently hopeful of securing 3 almost impossible signings in Isco, Zaha and Coric. We've signed two players of whom we had a good chance in getting but have reverted back to the same old end of window tactics and decided to chase players we have little to no hope of getting... leaving us short of numbers for the zillionth time in a row.
 

nedley

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Tbf though a lot of those players were told ages ago they would be getting very little game time with us. It's only now that poch is selecting youth team players ahead of them, that they have finally accepted it.

So it really looks as though Mason is going to leave.

I wonder whether Poch would welcome him back into the fold if no move materialises?
 

Grey Fox

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People need to get out of the mind set that any deals done in the next 36 hours have only just started, they would have been begun weeks ago. My comment on the Net spend debate is, its not the transfer fees its the salaries wanted by agents and players that are often deal breakers. In most cases a £40m player will be north of 70K per week and probably close to £100k
 

TEESSIDE1

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The problem seems to have been some of the players not wanting to leave and only now realising they probably need to - this has pushed everything back (at no fault of the club) - as others have said you can't force people to leave the club.

It's most definitely partly the clubs fault, with it being too late to bring in replacements, it's now suicidal to let our squad players go. We're on course to end the window arguably weaker than when it 1st opened.
 

voxy28

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So it really looks as though Mason is going to leave.

I wonder whether Poch would welcome him back into the fold if no move materialises?

If Mason and Caroll leaves, we should be signing a CM... which I hope might be Bazoer since he is ready to quit Ajax.
 

HildoSpur

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It's most definitely partly the clubs fault, with it being too late to bring in replacements, it's now suicidal to let our squad players go. We're on course to end the window arguably weaker than when it 1st opened.

The club can't bring in players when there are players using up spaces in the squad that won't leave - what if they bought 2 or 3 in and the likes of Chadli, Mason, etc. all refused to leave - then you are stuck with an expensive and bloated squad full of players taking up cash and space.
 

TEESSIDE1

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People need to get out of the mind set that any deals done in the next 36 hours have only just started, they would have been begun weeks ago. My comment on the Net spend debate is, its not the transfer fees its the salaries wanted by agents and players that are often deal breakers. In most cases a £40m player will be north of 70K per week and probably close to £100k

£70k plus for a £40m player is to be expected. Seriously, we can't be of the mindset that any player costing a hefty fee is going to settle for mediocre wages.
 

Grey Fox

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It's most definitely partly the clubs fault, with it being too late to bring in replacements, it's now suicidal to let our squad players go. We're on course to end the window arguably weaker than when it 1st opened.

See my post above, lets see what happens in the next 2 days ;). Poch has stated many times he prefers working with a smaller squad, how many times have people moaned on here about the form of players who only get a few minutes/games, but they still expect them to hit the ground running?
 

TEESSIDE1

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The club can't bring in players when there are players using up spaces in the squad that won't leave - what if they bought 2 or 3 in and the likes of Chadli, Mason, etc. all refused to leave - then you are stuck with an expensive and bloated squad full of players taking up cash and space.

The squads far from bloated, beyond the 1st team we lacked depth last season and as it stands we're not going to have a '1st team' squad come the end of the window.
 

eddiev14

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People need to get out of the mind set that any deals done in the next 36 hours have only just started, they would have been begun weeks ago. My comment on the Net spend debate is, its not the transfer fees its the salaries wanted by agents and players that are often deal breakers. In most cases a £40m player will be north of 70K per week and probably close to £100k

And we know that, right?

So why does it always seem to come as a surprise to us?
 

Grey Fox

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£70k plus for a £40m player is to be expected. Seriously, we can't be of the mindset that any player costing a hefty fee is going to settle for mediocre wages.

But you start paying a new player more than some current players and very quickly you have a wage bill spiralling out of control, that's why the money bag clubs can do the deals they want. FFP was meant to stop that, but like most UEFA ideas, its was pretty much a non starter.
 

knilly

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See my post above, lets see what happens in the next 2 days ;). Poch has stated many times he prefers working with a smaller squad, how many times have people moaned on here about the form of players who only get a few minutes/games, but they still expect them to hit the ground running?
But the trade off is they need to finish the race, not be dead on their feet when it really matters.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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See my post above, lets see what happens in the next 2 days ;). Poch has stated many times he prefers working with a smaller squad, how many times have people moaned on here about the form of players who only get a few minutes/games, but they still expect them to hit the ground running?

I think when we only have Onomah to come on and change a game we are right to question it
 
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Morning gents. So net spend and people who could make two flies running up and adown a window seem exciting (Jim White I'm looking at you) are the new ITK. Fuck-a-duck. Only joking!

I'm hoping for an Iggy or some ground breaking news before midday, I've had three instant coffees since 9am and I'm flying!
 
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