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DaSpurs

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I worry about bringing in a young keeper to be No2 considering the learning curve takes place in cup competitions which I wouldn't like to risk considering I'm desperate to see us win silverware and as a GK to realise their potential they need as many games as possible as early as possible to gain vital experience, which Parks said is why Lloris is world class at the age of 27, relatively young for a GK. Therefore I fear if he were to play behind Lloris who would want to play more than 40 games a season, his ability and potential would either plateau or deteriorate and I would hate to see us ruin such a promising young GK as IMO is what's happening to Butland at Stoke.

On the chances in the cup games, if Broomfield is the one who made this selection, I think we can confidently assume he has the skillset to get it done in those games. Also, since we'd likely be going for a genuine No 1 replacement upon selling Lloris anyway, it isn't directly detrimental for the lad to see the cup games and the possibly occasional league game since he would only be competing, at most, for the No 1 spot anyway. For a 23 year old kid out of the Championship, that's a pretty damn big step up in terms of opposition going to the Europa and what we should expect due to more likely progressing further in the domestic cups than Forest. For the time being, I think it'd be perfectly sufficient.
 

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I agree that our midfield is overrated by our fans, and that it is the cause of more problems throughout the team than people give it credit for, but it certainly isn't bad enough to clear out the whole lot of them.
Spot on. How some people can think that collection of players are so good that a comment suggesting that it's good to seek upgrades is seen as sarcastic is beyond me.
 

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On the chances in the cup games, if Broomfield is the one who made this selection, I think we can confidently assume he has the skillset to get it done in those games. Also, since we'd likely be going for a genuine No 1 replacement upon selling Lloris anyway, it isn't directly detrimental for the lad to see the cup games and the possibly occasional league game since he would only be competing, at most, for the No 1 spot anyway. For a 23 year old kid out of the Championship, that's a pretty damn big step up in terms of opposition going to the Europa and what we should expect due to more likely progressing further in the domestic cups than Forest. For the time being, I think it'd be perfectly sufficient.
Ooh it hurts to consider the fact that Lloris might leave, if he did though I'm sure we'd get at least £20 million for him which I'd rather see spent on another world class keeper who's suited to a high line rather than a young English lad who's used to championship level football, I agree we could train him but I personally don't see the potential atm to replace our beautiful, French Hugo. I see your reasoning though.
 

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Ooh it hurts to consider the fact that Lloris might leave, if he did though I'm sure we'd get at least £20 million for him which I'd rather see spent on another world class keeper who's suited to a high line rather than a young English lad who's used to championship level football, I agree we could train him but I personally don't see the potential atm to replace our beautiful, French Hugo. I see your reasoning though.

I wouldn't worry about losing him in the very immediate future, from his quotes it seems he and his young family are quite happy in London. I think he also seems to be the type to see a challenge out rather than chase the euro note on the end of a string. The guy features incredible professionalism by any standard in any occupation, as evidenced by his continuing to fight in the capitulations while his own back line were literally assisting the opposition.

So in fact, I view the acquisition of a young, English keeper as further indication we plan on keeping around our No 1 for longer than we might have believed even a few months ago. (y)
 
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andyp8080

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there seems a lot of angst in here today

and A&C seems to change his profile picture every day now

is there a link???
 

Spurrific

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what makes you say that? He had more clean sheets and made more saves per 90 mins than Tremmel last season, he conceded less goals per 90 mins and matched him for distribution accuracy. So he's better than Tremmel at least, I haven't seen as much of Fab to have an opinion on him.

So, you're one of those guys huh?
 

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So, you're one of those guys huh?

Tremmel is poor and the back 4 were never confident with him in goal. His positioning was awful on times from set pieces, and as a result either made poor decisions when coming to claim balls or wasn't able to get near attempts at goal often leading to goals.

Swansea would allow him to leave if they got an offer!
 

SpurSince57

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Or, or, or...we actually keep Lloris, build a top 4 squad around him this year(really only a quality left side away) and let that ride us into the new stadium to when we get more revenue and add pieces to be a top side.

We are in a unique position in which we dont have to wait until the stadium is built to spend because of the profits made the last 2 years, having added TV money and having no debts(thank you, Joe). We can afford to spend some money this window without having to balance it with sales.

The 2013-14 results haven't come out yet, so I take it you must mean the £4m profit we made in 2012-13 and the £7m loss we made in 2011-12.

Can we? What is you know that the Dear Leader and his regiment of Harvard Business School-trained number-crunching wonks don't?
 

DaSpurs

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Spot on. How some people can think that collection of players are so good that a comment suggesting that it's good to seek upgrades is seen as sarcastic is beyond me.

Agreed. I'll probably get dumped on for this, but I'm not sure why so many are so convinced that this midfield is going to somehow morph into a top four-contending midfield with some tactical change and new philosophy. Yes, Sherwood had a very obsolete understanding of a midfield and yes, AVB played a very blunted style, but from what I saw even under the consideration of these truths I think the disparity is just too great at the moment between our midfield and those of the teams we'll have to push out of the way to get fourth. There is just simply no bite whatsoever from deep, and I don't think we struck fear into anyone with our movement centrally last year. We have simply been bailed out by individual quality the last two years against the sides below us, and particularly this past season once a significant portion of that individual quality had left.

I think it's possible that we can see a rearrangement of current personnel and see improvement, but if anyone thinks that without any personnel changes we're suddenly going to be pushing the top four with our current options even with some better tactics, I think they'll be in for disappointment.
 

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Tremmel is poor and the back 4 were never confident with him in goal. His positioning was awful on times from set pieces, and as a result either made poor decisions when coming to claim balls or wasn't able to get near attempts at goal often leading to goals.

Swansea would allow him to leave if they got an offer!

Gerhard Tremmel is a saint!

Vorm is shit, too. Wouldn't want any of their 'keepers.
 

yankspurs

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The 2013-14 results haven't come out yet, so I take it you must mean the £4m profit we made in 2012-13 and the £7m loss we made in 2011-12.

Can we? What is you know that the Dear Leader and his regiment of Harvard Business School-trained number-crunching wonks don't?
Last summer we made a profit, our wage bill isnt as high and the money received from the PL has gone up extensively due to the TV contract. We have some money to spend this window.
 
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and A&C seems to change his profile picture every day now

I wondered about that. The recurrent theme is MAD magazine and the best I can come up with is MAD = Morgan And Dejan, both of whom we've been linked to by ITK.

That said, his reference to rose petals the other day led me to believe that we were lining up an American beauty, only to find out that Brad was signing a new 1-year contract. It's all in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
 

DaSpurs

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Last summer we made a profit, our wage bill isnt as high and the money received from the PL has gone up extensively due to the TV contract. We have some money to spend this window.

I think while you're absolutely right here, given how many players I think we'll sell this summer, I don't think we'll even dip into any other sources of profit.
 

SpurSince57

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Oh come on, you know, as well as pretty much everyone, that we made a profit last window. Dont deny that. And the PL money has skyrocketed due to the NBC contract.

Last window we did no business at all. You mean last summer, I think. How much of a profit do you think we made then? Would you care to name a precise figure?
 
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