The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Copacabana Edition 16th May 2014

[THFCSPURS19]

Oh God, we've got the annual "big announcement as 11/11:30 tomorrow' bullshit again. Happens every time we are linked with a player or manager.

 

[Mr Pink]

Oh God, we've got the annual "big announcement as 11/11:30 tomorrow' bullshit again. Happens every time we are linked with a player or manager.

The what? lol...who's saying this?

 

[Mister Jez]

Been away for a while, so just catching up on the itk re new manager. So far, if I'm correct, we have;
Lewis wants Poch
Levy wants Rafa
FDB is first choice
Compo for Poch & his team too high
Sky saying Poch to sign new 3 year deal with Southampton.
Clive Allen is gonna put a sneaky fiver on Ancelotti.
Still might wing it with LVG
Have I missed something here?

That's pretty much it........

 

[Lilbaz]

A guy I used to work for in the 70s told me that one of the millionaire businessmen of the time—Lord something, his name eludes me for the moment—insisted on paperclips and pencils being accounted for.

Dave Whelan once got his number 2 to count how many sheets a roll of toilet paper had. Because he suspected that someone in one of his stores was nicking some.

 

[dagraham]

It's funny, I don't remember anyone complaining or worrying about our profit figures when we sacked and paid off Harry and his staff, or AVB, or Ramos or any of our managers we've sacked. Now all of a sudden it's an issue.

As has been said above, the manager is the most important person at the club and if after careful consideration we've identified our number one target then we should be prepared to pay the compensation required (within reason obviously).

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Oh God, we've got the annual "big announcement as 11/11:30 tomorrow' bullshit again. Happens every time we are linked with a player or manager.

What's this now?

 

[Mr Pink]

It's funny, I don't remember anyone complaining or worrying about our profit figures when we sacked and paid off Harry and his staff, or AVB, or Ramos or any of our managers we've sacked. Now all of a sudden it's an issue.

As has been said above, the manager is the most important person at the club and if after careful consideration we've identified our number one target then we should be prepared to pay the compensation required (within reason obviously).

Totally agree. Pulling out over failure to reach an agreement on compensation reflects a lack of faith in the choice/selection of said manager IMO.

If we then move on to another target because of that, it just screams to me we don't know what we want or we're really doing in this regard.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The what? lol...who's saying this?

What's this now?

What I've seen- people saying its Ancelloti :

"Rumours all over FB tonight Tottenham are making a Big announcement at 1130am tomorrow, any truth in this?"

 

[millsey]

nope. £89.7m http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27411682

Many other sources online say it's 70, 90 includes the finishing place in the league

 

[tony0379]

What I've seen- people saying its Ancelloti :

"Rumours all over FB tonight Tottenham are making a Big announcement at 1130am tomorrow, any truth in this?"

Which people? Vincente Spurs? LOOOOOL

 

[andyp8080]

when i hear there are such rumours i presume its on twitter but i see nothing

can someone clarify where these are from?

 

[Ohteddyteddy10]

I suspect we are waiting until the end of the season to see if any other managers get sacked or leave their clubs.

If Barca, Madrid and Arsenal all lose their last game and managers leave then is it worth takin the risk of losing Poch or FDB for the very slim chance of getting Ancelotti

 

[SpurSince57]

Whilst I agree with the gist of this, I do think with the right manager and set up we can close that gap a bit that can put us in a position, from time to time, to capitalise. It won't happen every season of course (getting seriously close), but the fact of the matter is we have been in and around it for the last 5 years or so.

The problem I think we have, which is the main point you're making, is that we won't give a manager the time he'll need to make some of those gains up.

According to the figures from 2012-13, Liverpool's turnover was nearly £60m more than ours, Chelsea, Arsenal and City's £113m-£126m more, and United £216m more. To put that in further perspective, our turnover was £90m more than Wigan's, at the bottom of the pile. That's the dimension of the gulf in financial clout between us and the Sky Four/Five.

Yes, we've been in and around for some time—nine years, actually, including the dip in 2007-09—but my point is that we're reliant on one (or two) of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool having a slump to break that glass ceiling. Who manages us is largely irrelevant, provided he gets us to that sixth spot as a minimum. Unfortunately, many fans, and (it would seem) the Dear Leader see anything less than fourth as failure.

 

[SpurSince57]

If Barca, Madrid and Arsenal all lose their last game and managers leave then is it worth takin the risk of losing Poch or FDB for the very slim chance of getting Ancelotti

Do you really think Wenger will leave if Hull win tomorrow? (Please, God!) There is no rush whatsoever. Pochettino's going nowhere, and I doubt Frank the Farmer is either.

 

[KaribYid]

Di Marzio is saying Poch is close to becoming our new manager unless there's a last minute hitch.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

What I've seen- people saying its Ancelloti :

"Rumours all over FB tonight Tottenham are making a Big announcement at 1130am tomorrow, any truth in this?"

Everyone can settle down......Its just a press conference regarding the new toilets at WHL

 

[sak11]

According to the figures from 2012-13, Liverpool's turnover was nearly £60m more than ours, Chelsea, Arsenal and City £113m-£126m more, and United £216m more. To put that in further perspective, our turnover was £90m more than Wigan's, at the bottom of the pile. That's the dimension of the gulf in financial clout between us and the Sky Four/Five.

Yes, we've been in and around for some time—nine years, actually, including the dip in 2007-09—but my point is that we're reliant on one (or two) of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool having a slump to break that glass ceiling. Who manages us is largely irrelevant, provided he gets us to that sixth spot as a minimum. Unfortunately, many fans, and (it would seem) the Dear Leader see anything less than fourth as failure.

I completely agree with the aim of getting top 4 and we should be competitive as such, not getting it is not a failure when we stand 6th in financial terms - ie we are punching above our weight.
As long as we are playing attractive progressive football I think a lot of fans would be happy - and success would then come (with stability) I am sure.
Whether we ever get into that situation is another thing but while we reboot every 2 seasons I fear not.

 

[Mr Pink]

According to the figures from 2012-13, Liverpool's turnover was nearly £60m more than ours, Chelsea, Arsenal and City £113m-£126m more, and United £216m more. To put that in further perspective, our turnover was £90m more than Wigan's, at the bottom of the pile. That's the dimension of the gulf in financial clout between us and the Sky Four/Five.

Yes, we've been in and around for some time—nine years, actually, including the dip in 2007-09—but my point is that we're reliant on one (or two) of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool having a slump to break that glass ceiling. Who manages us is largely irrelevant, provided he gets us to that sixth spot as a minimum. Unfortunately, many fans, and (it would seem) the Dear Leader see anything less than fourth as failure.

Well yes, it will require one or two of the group above performing below expected. For me though, having a manager in place who can get us playing to a sum greater than its individual parts, to coin a cliche, keeps the dream alive on a regular basis whilst playing some attractive football a long the way - hopefully.

Surely that would keep us ticking a long nicely until we the new stadium is delivered and just maybe we'll be in a more stable place by the time it arrives.

 

[jedimonkey]

Dave Whelan once got his number 2 to count how many sheets a roll of toilet paper had. Because he suspected that someone in one of his stores was nicking some.

His shit can count?

 

[markieboy]

Whilst I agree with the gist of this, I do think with the right manager and set up we can close that gap a bit that can put us in a position, from time to time, to capitalise. It won't happen every season of course (getting seriously close), but the fact of the matter is we have been in and around it for the last 5 years or so.

The problem I think we have, which is the main point you're making, is that we won't give a manager the time he'll need to make some of those gains up.

I am not sure if giving a manager more time really is the answer.
I am trying to think of a manager in the past 20 years who came into a club and really only started to make things happen after 3 years in charge...by that I mean make them successful ..........I can't think of any.
Good managers seem to make an impact really quickly and after 18 months in charge you can tell for sure if he is going to be successful or not.