The Daily ITK Discussion Thread THE DALZIEL & PASCOE EDITION 1st July 2016

[rabbikeane]

Boufal and Insigne won't, they are depth players too. Would have to take a step up to James class if we want to improve on guys like Eriksen, Alli and Lamela

 

[Nigel Spinal]

I thought the point of the Champions League was so that we could attract better footballers. If we are going for an attacking midfielder then we need to show a bit of ambition and have a real go for the likes of Insigne and Boufal. We nearly won the league last year ffs, we're a decent sized club, we're a good side and money really shouldn't be that much of a problem if it's the right player.

No that's a myth

The key rule is - paying higher wages attracts players who primarily care about higher wages.

 

[Nigel Spinal]

Who can we realistically get who will undoubtedly improve our first eleven?

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

 

[Mister Jez]

Do you mean 'we' offered £12M and the actual asking price was £16.5M?

If I offer you £15 for your semi-detached house, you'll be damn unreasonable by asking for the £450K it's worth using that logic.

We are a financially we'll run club, but Poch must eventually start to wonder why we can't get 'his' transfer targets over the line and end up with Louis Saha on deadline day.....

I am very confident, we will not end up with Louis Saha on deadline day.

 

[faze_coys]

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

 

[vicbob]

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

I think you are right in the sense that I don't think we can "realistically" improve our starting 11. Our best 11 is pretty damn good (maybe not quite as good as you make out, but not far off) and with the budget restrictions of a sensibly run club (unlike an oil magnet / russian mafia owner) I cannot think of many attainable players that would make much of an immediate impact on our staring line up.
We need options and strength from the bench as well as young players either coming through the ranks or being bought in, that press for that starting 11 place. Its going to be a long season, and we need a better squad.

 

[WiganSpur]

If we aren't going to bring in a top quality attacking midfielder then i'd rather we wait and see what Edwards can do in pre-season. Wouldn't be much point in buying unproven promise when it would likely block the development of Onomah/Pritchard/Edwards. Unless we are signing the likes of Insigne then i'd sooner we look to the youth academy if the talent is there. It is a less risky position than the likes of defence, midfield and strikers to blood youngsters. For that reason I don't think an OK squad player such as Wijnaldum for £17m plus is a worthwhile investment until we see how the kids get on in pre-season.

 

[Shadydan]

Our starting eleven is as good as we can wish for at this moment in time I think, plus these boys are nowhere near their peak yet. I'd rather they grow organically than spend money on a player who isn't guaranteed to improve the first team. Unless there is someone out there who we know would absolutely walk into our first team then there's no need for rapid change IMO.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I don't care much for "improving our first 11". I care about improving the overall best 18 players we can choose for a match day squad. More players of first 11 calibre, but not necessarily a strictly speaking better first 11. I assume Wanyama is so far an excellent example of this.

 

[Scott Spur]

If we aren't going to bring in a top quality attacking midfielder then i'd rather we wait and see what Edwards can do in pre-season. Wouldn't be much point in buying unproven promise when it would likely block the development of Onomah/Pritchard/Edwards. Unless we are signing the likes of Insigne then i'd sooner we look to the youth academy if the talent is there. It is a less risky position than the likes of defence, midfield and strikers to blood youngsters. For that reason I don't think an OK squad player such as Wijnaldum for £17m plus is a worthwhile investment until we see how the kids get on in pre-season.

I agree, it's worked well recently for sure.

I trust Poch completely when it comes to signings, my concern is if we continually fail to sign players he and his team have selected then it won't be just us that's pissed off.

If Poch thinks Janssen is good enough, that's good enough for me and for 'only' £17M in today's money that's a steal for a striker........or we could pay £30-40M like the Spammers and Palace

 

[Hoopspur]

apparently not Southampton's though. They're in lead for Boufal

They've got a giant amount of spare cash burning a hole in their pocket though! Fans might not be happy unless they spend it on a marquee signing.

Personally I think moving forward and generally identifying and purchasing players to improve the overall standard of the team is the better way to go. I'm confident that Jansen, if we indeed do buy him, improves this. There are clearly other areas also which we could push for, and I think we will.

Hoping for a juicy bit of under the radar ITK to appear, but won't count on it. Maybe this place needs a cryptic

 

[voxy28]

No lets be serious.

Very few of these qualities and we have Eriksen and Ali.....Unless we can get Isco, which would be impossible like James Rodriguez. So our option is develop our own or punt on young talent like Gabriel Jesus. Even putting money on expensive young talent is not our style.... Hence development is the only way for us if we can let players like Onomah express themselves.

I don't Poch will get a AM this season.

 

[spursfan77]

I thought the point of the Champions League was so that we could attract better footballers. If we are going for an attacking midfielder then we need to show a bit of ambition and have a real go for the likes of Insigne and Boufal. We nearly won the league last year ffs, we're a decent sized club, we're a good side and money really shouldn't be that much of a problem if it's the right player.

We didn't last time. We only got VDV last minute through a bit of luck.

Players say they want champions league but what they actually mean is they want champions league level wages. Two different things entirely.

 

[Rogmeister]

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

Knock off

Nigel

 

[Hot Spur]

Very few of these qualities and we have Eriksen and Ali.....Unless we can get Isco, which would be impossible like James Rodriguez. So our option is develop our own or punt on young talent like Gabriel Jesus. Even putting money on expensive young talent is not our style.... Hence development is the only way for us if we can let players like Onomah express themselves.

I don't Poch will get a AM this season.

Well Poch clearly said he wants two "attacking" players. Wanyama isn't attacking, He's a DM, so Janssesn and........

 

[cliff jones]

Think we need someone with more guile and football intelligence than those two personally.

But we've forked out 32m for the pair, and as we've seen window after window such investments by enic are incredibly hard to come by. So we need to at least see what they're made of this coming season. One or both may well come good, we've seen flashes already....

 

[Sandro30]

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

Bizarre comment. Pretty sure we would get destroyed by Juventus and PSG, too.

 

[Hot Spur]

We don't need to improve our starting 11. It's as good as anyone's, bar the top 5 or so European teams (Madrid, Barca, Athletico, Bayern, Dortmund)

You're 'avin a giraffe aren't ya?? It wasn't as good as Leicester or Arsenal last season and after the two Mancs and Chelsea have finished buying the quality of players they're buying, we are unlikely to be as good as they are next season. There will be probably 7 teams competing for the top 4 places next season and spurs will be very hard pushed to be one of the 4 with the current squad.

 

[THOWIG]

But we've forked out 32m for the pair, and as we've seen window after window such investments by enic are incredibly hard to come by. So we need to at least see what they're made of this coming season. One or both may well come good, we've seen flashes already....

Every team must improve each year. We can't stand still. The competition this season is going to be unreal.

 

[WiganSpur]

But we've forked out 32m for the pair, and as we've seen window after window such investments by enic are incredibly hard to come by. So we need to at least see what they're made of this coming season. One or both may well come good, we've seen flashes already....

They are just different players to the attacking midfielders people are suggesting. N'jie and Son I feel are more goal scorers and forwards than support players and playmakers. I for one definitely have faith in them to step up but that does not necessarily mean that we don't want another signing.

If we lack anything it's a player with a low centre of gravity, very good in tight spaces and who can beat players with ease. Think Mahrez, Ben Arfa, Hazard, Lanzini, Coutinho etc. Lamela and Eriksen, although great players are not quite the same.

From what people are saying, and from the very little i've seen of him, I happen to think Edwards could be that player with a bit of patience though.