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HappySpur

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I'm going to go find some pictures with Getty watermarks to post if we are going to start this
 

Barry Mead

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Again, he's not my first choice, but neither had Rogers when he went to Liverpool.

But you can say that about loads of managers, Steve Clark made 8th place with WBA last season, why not him?

He might prove the mutts but it will be a massive gamble and there's plenty of others with similar that might prove it or might not, if our criteria is a manager who's best achievement is finishing eighth once and taking the only other team he managed to mid table before back in the relegation zone it just seems a very low standard of selection
 

HappySpur

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Southampton have, according to some of you, won the league below the top 7. This of course based on finishing 8th.

However....
This season they've lost games to:
Norwich away
Sunderland away.
Villa Home
WHU Away
Cardiff Home
Not great.


I don't know enough to say whether or not we should hire Ponch.

But let's be honest about what he's done with Soho. Their wage bill is 18th in the league and their final position is 8th. Ours is 6th and our final position is 6th. If he brings that same expenditure-to-position ratio to Spurs, we will be negative 4th next year. Negative 4th.....that's like winning 5 titles in one campaign.
 

rawhide

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I don't know enough to say whether or not we should hire Ponch.

But let's be honest about what he's done with Soho. Their wage bill is 18th in the league and their final position is 8th. Ours is 6th and our final position is 6th. If he brings that same expenditure-to-position ratio to Spurs, we will be negative 4th next year. Negative 4th.....that's like winning 5 titles in one campaign.
Hey Happy. Long time no speak.

Please say that after debate we're sticking with Ponch as the nickname. I loved CHiPs (y)
 

HappySpur

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Hey Happy. Long time no speak.

Please say that after debate we're sticking with Ponch as the nickname. I loved CHiPs (y)


No chance in hell I let this go. I will make Rob remove the Berol filter just to stop what is going to be me being a complete dickbag

btw, we are already selling the commemorative DVD
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Now that I think about it, it might be better for everyone if we hire Frank de Boer, as I will become even more unbearable than normal
 

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But you can say that about loads of managers, Steve Clark made 8th place with WBA last season, why not him?

He might prove the mutts but it will be a massive gamble and there's plenty of others with similar that might prove it or might not, if our criteria is a manager who's best achievement is finishing eighth once and taking the only other team he managed to mid table before back in the relegation zone it just seems a very low standard of selection

I agree, which is why I want us to get Benitez. Both FdB and Poch have some risk, but upside too. I think the risks with both of these guys are worth it if we don't get Rafa.

Edit to add that the football Southampton have been playing is miles ahead of WBA last year, and I do think Poch will have a bright future. Steve Clark is a good coach/assistant, but isn't as talented a manager. Also wanted to add that I wasn't pushing for Poch to be the choice, but rather than to dismiss him because he hasn't won anything isn't really sound on the basis of how well Rogers did this year.
 
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Barry Mead

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The only candidate who really is proven in that sense is Benitez. I don't think that's the best way to evaluate a potential manager though Barry. I'd say if we get a candidate with the right technical and tactical qualities as a coach, and with the personality/motivational skills to manage a club like Spurs, then it will be very likely that they will be successful here. I would say my concern with Pochettino is whether he is tactically good enough, based on some of the statistics that people have posted about Southampton never recovering from losing positions.

But from what I've seen he seems to be a coach that can improve players and can coach his team to be truly good in possession and able to use the ball constructively (as opposed to AVB's inability to properly coach a team in this regard). The concern with FDB imo is that while he has coached an Ajax side to be good in possession, Ajax as a club generally produces and trains players from a young age to use the ball constructively. He hasn't so much had to apply that system to a team in which most of the players haven't been coached their whole lives in that specific philosophy, and so I think there is a worry that he would have a far more difficult time implementing his ideas in our team.

Martinez after all had Wigan relegated in his last season but unsurprisingly went on to be a success at Everton, because he has the right qualities as a coach to be successful in a bigger job. We have to evaluate based first on qualities and second on achievements.

So for me perfect choice is Benitez but I wouldn't be unhappy with M.P.

I'm not really sure that's true, Southampton has been producing some quality young players for a long time, Poch inherited a number of them. In that aspect I don't see that he has done anything different than De Boer taken players from the academy and integrated them into the side, but unlike De Boer he hasn't had four years of sustained success, in fact he has had one period of moving up a bit then back down again and if he stays at Soton does anyone think he'd keep them in 8th position or higher next season? Especially if say Lallana and Shaw move.
De Boer has lost the likes of Suarez, Eriksen, Vertonghen and De Wiel and yet still stayed top

As for Martinez, I don't really see he's done anything exceptional at Everton, the last three years they have finished 7th 7th then 6th, they finished 5th this year but more down to us and United having poor years.
 

HappySpur

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By the way, number of league titles stands at
FSW=2 (last one in 2004)
de Boer=4

And no Ajax side had ever won four in a row before. But hey, I agree....he hasn't won the Champions League and that's the minimum we should demand considering our one time in the competition
 

Barry Mead

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I agree, which is why I want us to get Benitez. Both FdB and Poch have some risk, but upside too. I think the risks with both of these guys are worth it if we don't get Rafa.

Edit to add that the football Southampton have been playing is miles ahead of WBA last year, and I do think Poch will have a bright future. Steve Clark is a good coach/assistant, but isn't as talented a manager. Also wanted to add that I wasn't pushing for Poch to be the choice, but rather than to dismiss him because he hasn't won anything isn't really sound on the basis of how well Rogers did this year.

Well Rafa has as many questions about him as well, different ones but when you take over stronger teams the expectations are higher. He took over Valencia at a time when they were close challengers iirc they finished 3rd the season before he arrived and in those days it wasn't just Real and Barca, Depor were quite a strong team and won La Liga and also made runners up at the time. He did win La Liga twice and on the back of the success he got the Liverpool job but after early succes you have to ask the question why the decline and why so many poor transfers deals, then considering the Inter team he inherited did he achieve enough, same at Chelsea?
He just won the Italian Cup but they are down a place in Serie A

So there are questions about lack of success on the one hand and also sufficient success given the teams in others

I know it's not easy deciding on managers especially when arguably the best ones have better choices, but simply adding someone to a list that really hasn't achieved anything on the basis that well Rodgers hadn't achieved anything before but got Liverpool to runners up this season so another person might repeat that at another club seems more wing and a prayer than anything else even allowing we won't entice the best options and have to trawl a little deeper
 

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Posted in the RO but awaiting mod to view, Storts on COYS re Backroom staff:

"Ramsey and Les going, not sure on Freund currently, think he will be staying"
 

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Posted in the RO but awaiting mod to view, Storts on COYS re Backroom staff:

"Ramsey and Les going, not sure on Freund currently, think he will be staying"

Not too fussed about Les but I really do rate Ramsey, hope he hasn't been pushed out for being part of the Three Amigos.
 
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