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CoopsieDeadpool

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No more of a head case than say Modric who all but went on strike when he wasn't getting his move to Chavs.

I trust Poch on this one.

I don't think @yankspurs has any trust issues with Poch?

It appears to be Berahino that he doesn't trust, which is surely somewhat understandable when taking into account the blatant, and numerous demonstrations of a lack of professionalism that Berahino has shown over the last 2 years or so?
 

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Surely that's the opposite of backing your prediction?
I'll donate 50 if we sign a striker to train with the first team squad so either way I lose.

Edit - I meant to also say thanks for all your info Trix. Great work.
 
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Hercules

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I don't think @yankspurs has any trust issues with Poch?

It appears to be Berahino that he doesn't trust, which is surely somewhat understandable when taking into account the blatant, and numerous demonstrations of a lack of professionalism that Berahino has shown over the last 2 years or so?

Like Berbasulk who didn't do too bad did he.
 

yankspurs

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I don't think @yankspurs has any trust issues with Poch?

It appears to be Berahino that he doesn't trust, which is surely somewhat understandable when taking into account the blatant, and numerous demonstrations of a lack of professionalism that Berahino has shown over the last 2 years or so?
I trust poch. Not SB. I rate him highly as a player and if we didnt just have ade, id probably be willing to take a punt on him. But weve seen what a headcase can do to the side so im not too willing to take it, which i believe is understandable
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I trust poch. Not SB. I rate him highly as a player and if we didnt just have ade, id probably be willing to take a punt on him. But weve seen what a headcase can do to the side so im not too willing to take it, which i believe is understandable
I have some concerns myself but it's worth pointing out that SB wont be on huge money like Ade so it wont be as difficult to offload him if he started acting up. I'm torn on this transfer as I think he's a talented kid but his attitude is a bit worrying. So all in all I'm just going to go with the flow on this, if we sign him it's because Poch wants him and so far he's done more than well with his signings.
 

yankspurs

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I have some concerns myself but it's worth pointing out that SB wont be on huge money like Ade so it wont be as difficult to offload him if he started acting up. I'm torn on this transfer as I think he's a talented kid but his attitude is a bit worrying. So all in all I'm just going to go with the flow on this, if we sign him it's because Poch wants him and so far he's done more than well with his signings.
Maybe not wages but transfer fee wise? Itll be like £15-20m
 

GetSpurredOn

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I'm a bit torn on this one.
The ITK seems to suggest, both this window and the last, that Berahino is regarded by Pochettino as a crucial piece of the squad jigsaw. The vast majority seems to suggest he is very clearly number one choice.
So, on one hand, I have enough belief in what I've read about Pochettino's man management and training methodology, that I believe he can get Berahino on the straight and narrow, polish the rough edges off this particular gem.
However, the lack of professionalism at the end of the last window, and since, whilst understandable in theory, really is still quite hard to dismiss very easily. Is he really that petulant? Will he have sulky moments at Spurs if he finds himself not starting regularly etc? Will he be, to a lesser extent, the new Ade, Modric, Berba, prone to sulking and striking (not in the good way either).
My one hope that does marginally tip me in favour of Spurs going out and getting him, is if he truly is Pochettino's first choice, then quite simply the board have to back the manager, as this season is about as open as any season I can remember. An astute little squad boost in January could just give us a break on the rest of the pack. I expect Liverpool and Chelsea will back their new bosses, Utd have to make changes also. If you don't keep moving forward, you'll get left behind. We are in a prime position that we don't need major surgery, just a little tweak, cover for Kane (and maybe Dier) to give us some legs for the run in.
Quite key above all this, is the fact that Berahino does appear to be quite pally with our England/England U21 contingent, all of whom appear to have fully bought into Pochettino's ethos, and as such I would assume there must have been conversations between them, Berahino asking what it's like at Tottenham, and the likes of Kane, Carroll, Townsend, Mason, Dier etc making it clear what would be expected of him. Same as any of us really, if we're looking to change jobs, and we know someone who works at a potential new employer, you ask what they are like to work for, and equally management may/will ask for recommendations from their own staff if they know an employee is a friend.

Two key things I've read recently, a glowing recommendation from Gary Neville, how the Spurs players attend international get togethers with a totally different mind set nowadays, he says they turn up ready to work and learn, ready for battle. He stated this has not been the case previously, and isn't the case for most other club players now still. If Berahino wants to make that international breakthrough, then being in that same group of players would be a huge advantage.
Secondly, there was an article recently about Pochettino's management style. I believe he was nicknamed 'The Sherriff' for the way he manages with absolute authority. He doesn't favour individuals, the team is all. Again, will that make him the ideal manager to iron out these indiscretions and get Berahino back on track.
 

Bus-Conductor

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and the 1000s of hours spent in training, learning tactics and he's also settled in England as opposed to bringing someone in from abroad who may take 12 months plus to adapt and settle (eg Lamela).

Much better someone who can be ho hum immediately than someone who could be great in a year eh ?
 

Bus-Conductor

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Everyone forgets that Osvaldo already played for Poch previously and unfortunately, you can never predict the future.

Osvaldo actually got off to a great start at Southampton and was the fulcrum of their attack. Everyone loses it now and again, unfortunately, that's Osvaldo's character but doesn't make him a bad player.

You can't compare Ade to Osvaldo. Gimme someone who isn't afraid to get into their team mates when they are playing shit rather than encouraging them to be more shit any day of the week.

You can because Osvaldo had a history of being a prick at various previous clubs, despite this Pochettino still demanded Southampton made him their record £15 signing. His contract was cancelled 2 years early at Southampton.
 

spurs9

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It doesnt matter when it happened. You dont fight teammates or call them shit and say i cant wait to get out of here directly after a game. Berahino probably isnt a violent thug but you have to admit that there is problems with him. We finally got rid of our own headcases this past summer. Why do we want to sign another clubs headcase now when we are finally looking unified and playing for one?
Fighting teammates? Are you referring to Morrison punching him for not apologising for a mistake he made or has there been another incident I'm not aware of? If it is the James Morrison incident, you cant call receiving a punch "fighting with someone".
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Fighting teammates? Are you referring to Morrison punching him for not apologising for a mistake he made or has there been another incident I'm not aware of? If it is the James Morrison incident, you cant call receiving a punch "fighting with someone".
When you say James you don't actually mean the informal Jim, do you? Cos, if SB has scrapped with Jim Morrison, the lizard king, then I say sign him immediately. To engage physically with dead rock stars is a definite, if potentially volatile, asset.
 

Lilbaz

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What happened to werner? We not going back, stutgart look in trouble.
 

Bulletspur

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I don't think @yankspurs has any trust issues with Poch?

It appears to be Berahino that he doesn't trust, which is surely somewhat understandable when taking into account the blatant, and numerous demonstrations of a lack of professionalism that Berahino has shown over the last 2 years or so?

I trust poch. Not SB. I rate him highly as a player and if we didnt just have ade, id probably be willing to take a punt on him. But weve seen what a headcase can do to the side so im not too willing to take it, which i believe is understandable
Poch Trusts SB = Poch's Judgement

Yankspur doesn't trust SB = Yankspur's judgement

How then can Yankspur trust Poch's judgement?
 

glospur

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It's highly worrying that Poch seems to only want Berahino who doesnt fit this system as a striker, is a headcase and not match fit. We need a target striker. Not a pacey streakey striker that's barely played and is a headcase.
Oh, so you know Pochettino's system and what type of player Pochettino wants better than Pochettino himself, do you?
 

Spurs1960

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Maybe not wages but transfer fee wise? Itll be like £15-20m

H has a year left on his contract in the summer so isn't now worth anywhere near £20m, he would need longer on his contract for that and he refuses to sign one to allow WBA to benefit in that way now. They need money to rebuild and he has no intention of providing them with a windfall. He seems quite happy to try and reduce his value, someone will buy him and his attitude will suddenly change.
 

Spurs1960

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Fighting teammates? Are you referring to Morrison punching him for not apologising for a mistake he made or has there been another incident I'm not aware of? If it is the James Morrison incident, you cant call receiving a punch "fighting with someone".

He punched him because he didn't take the ball to the corner flag to waste time. he should have punched the other 10 for letting in the goal that followed.
 

Trix

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But once he didn't he acted professionally and played in the team.

Modric was never told he could go to Chelsea, Berahino was told he could go and then they said no at the last minute. So Modric went on strike to try and force a move, SB has acted up after he was promised one and the promise was broken.

I know which I think is worse.
 
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