The Daily ITK Discussion Thread

[Everlasting Seconds]

Objectively speaking, it's weird to me that players will sign a new contract and sometimes multiple new contracts during the season but as soon as the window opens they're moaning about their wages. Are they thick? Stop agreeing a deal you're not going to like and your problem is solved

Objectively speaking, it's not weird at all. For every new contract, the player gets closer to to the wage ceiling. When you are at 1/2 wage ceiling, you are going to happily accept a new contract. But when that new contract meant that you are at wage ceiling minus a tuppence, and you are looking at a wage bubble around you at other clubs, you are going to get restless.

Sign no new expensive players, make sure to keep at least all the 11-14 most important players, spend the money distributing a flat numerical wage increase to all players (1X to the least important/developers, 2X to players of medium importance and 3X to the core) and keep the squad, thigh, motivated and happy.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Do not take it that Poch is totally happy, despite his media front, players sign new contracts with assurances and promises. It cuts both ways. We have come 3rd/2nd respectively. You have to adapt accordingly. I know a few agents and high profile players, and how it works.


Anyone going to harp on about 'shouldn't sign contracts etc...' is living in cloud cuckoo land, and do not really understand how it really works. We have been fortunate to have landed Poch the way we did. How long will it last depends on Daniel Levy. New stadium excuses, as factual as they are only goes so far.


Our main players want success. If we do not achieve that within the next season, or evidential signs of progress will have at least 4 of our players (if not more) demanding moves.

Spot on word of word.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I have a bit of ITK for the first and probably last time in my life:

So, I know someone who used to be in Bristol City's youth team and he ended up getting pretty friendly with Danny Rose during Rose's time on loan there. He still speaks to Rose from time to time and basically saw him today and Danny told him there is unrest in the squad over wages. They have seen players going to Everton for supposed 100K per week(he mentioned Michael Keane specifically) and they think they should be getting the same - being some of the best players in the league in their respective positions.

I didn't find out who in the squad he was unsettled but I got the impression it was more Rose and Walker he was referring too.

Many of our players signed new 5-year deals about 9 months ago. They're fucking idiots if they're now moaning about how much they're being paid.

 

[Hercules]

Spot on word of word.

Thank you. I know why I share my thoughts on what I do, and it is not always opinions. It is funny when people give funny ratings when they have absolute no clue. Best to keep silent.

 

[danielneeds]

Do not take it that Poch is totally happy, despite his media front, players sign new contracts with assurances and promises. It cuts both ways. We have come 3rd/2nd respectively. You have to adapt accordingly. I know a few agents and high profile players, and how it works.


Anyone going to harp on about 'shouldn't sign contracts etc...' is living in cloud cuckoo land, and do not really understand how it really works. We have been fortunate to have landed Poch the way we did. How long will it last depends on Daniel Levy. New stadium excuses, as factual as they are only goes so far.


Our main players want success. If we do not achieve that within the next season, or evidential signs of progress will have at least 4 of our players (if not more) demanding moves.

How can you label the new stadium an excuse though? It's one of the biggest projects ever taken on by an English sports team. Levy is having to walk a real tightrope at the moment, and anyone who though it would have no effect was living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Kaboul'sForehead]

Fucking too right they are asking to be paid market rate and the same as their peers. In what industry do we not look at those in the same role and compare our wages.

 

[Hercules]

How can you label the new stadium an excuse though? It's one of the biggest projects ever taken on by an English sports team. Levy is having to walk a real tightrope at the moment, and anyone who though it would have no effect was living in cloud cuckoo land.

Excuses, because people are not stupid. They know the restrictions. But to use that as an excuse for lack of finances (if there is even a budget of 1-say 30m). We then work within that budget. Agents also are not stupid. People understand stadium hindered finances. But do not use that as the excuse in everything. I hope I make sense.

 

[sbrustad]

Fucking too right they are asking to be paid market rate and the same as their peers. In what industry do we not look at those in the same role and compare our wages.

While I agree to some extent there's a big difference between 100K p.w. and 100K p.a (the latter would be a good wage in most other industries). I just don't get why anyone would need more money when they're on 100K p.w.

I honestly think the game needs a wage cap, because it's getting completely out of hand.

E: Sorry, didn't realise I was posting in this thread.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Many of our players signed new 5-year deals about 9 months ago. They're fucking idiots if they're now moaning about how much they're being paid.

This is such a crazy over simplification of the actual world out there.
Imagine your bold boss asks you: "Hi, you are at 40K a week, fancy 80K?"
What would your answer be?
"Yes, please" or "No thank you, I'd rather have nothing because Chelsea pay some idiot 180K"?.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

While I agree to some extent there's a big difference between 100K p.w. and 100K p.a (the latter would be a good wage in most other industries). I just don't get why anyone would need more money when they're on 100K p.w.

I honestly think the game needs a wage cap, because it's getting completely out of hand.

You can't regulate your self to a paradise. Wage cap you say? "Sure, I'll take the 5K a week and 100M in sign on fee, pretty please".

 

[voxy28]

Many of our players signed new 5-year deals about 9 months ago. They're fucking idiots if they're now moaning about how much they're being paid.

I think they felt being Levied..... but how would this affect the harmony of the squad? Levy sell all of them? You are looking at Toby, Rose, Dier, Eriksen and soon Dele and Kane.

Kane easily commands 300kpw next contract, Dele and Eriksen on 250 and 150 easily. They are idiots to sign the extension but not foolish if the chance come by to jump ship.

I won't be surprise next season will have more discontent and a massive compensation issues Levy will face. Walker leaves for 3x current salary will make all of them reassess their situation. Either we change or we might lose Poch as well. Then it will implode... Levy had saved us a couple of season of wages.... time to let it loose.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Levy is having to walk a real tightrope at the moment, and anyone who though it would have no effect was living in cloud cuckoo land.

Does that include Levy?

"the new stadium will not effect transfers"

 

[sbrustad]

You can't regulate your self to a paradise. Wage cap you say? "Sure, I'll take the 5K a week and 100M in sign on fee, pretty please".

Well it would obviously take things such as sign on fees into account as well, otherwise what would be the point. Anyway, enough derailing from me.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Do not take it that Poch is totally happy, despite his media front, players sign new contracts with assurances and promises. It cuts both ways. We have come 3rd/2nd respectively. You have to adapt accordingly. I know a few agents and high profile players, and how it works.


Anyone going to harp on about 'shouldn't sign contracts etc...' is living in cloud cuckoo land, and do not really understand how it really works. We have been fortunate to have landed Poch the way we did. How long will it last depends on Daniel Levy. New stadium excuses, as factual as they are only goes so far.


Our main players want success. If we do not achieve that within the next season, or evidential signs of progress will have at least 4 of our players (if not more) demanding moves.

Agreed.

The next couple of seasons really do feel like a put up or shut up moment for us. We've seen how hard it is to get to this level in terms of coach and playing staff. There are no guarantees we can replace our quality players if they left (wages suggest we can't afford the elite) and certainly no guarantees that we could replace Poch. IMHO we should be going balls deep over the next couple of seasons to have a real go at this. After all if we don't succeed we are going to be swimming in a ridiculous mountain of transfer cash, not exactly a major risk.

 

[Hercules]

Agreed.

The next couple of seasons really do feel like a put up or shut up moment for us. We've seen how hard it is to get to this level in terms of coach and playing staff. There are no guarantees we can replace our quality players if they left (wages suggest we can't afford the elite) and certainly no guarantees that we could replace Poch. IMHO we should be going balls deep over the next couple of seasons to have a real go at this. After all if we don't succeed we are going to be swimming in a ridiculous mountain of transfer cash, not exactly a major risk.

The stadium needs to run at a capacity of 'X' amount to maintain. We loose our manager and key players, how do you build that again? You need to manage that by taking a calculated risk, which you know can be offset.

The sad thing is some people really do not understand this.

 

[Sandros Shiny Head]

Objectively speaking, it's not weird at all. For every new contract, the player gets closer to to the wage ceiling. When you are at 1/2 wage ceiling, you are going to happily accept a new contract. But when that new contract meant that you are at wage ceiling minus a tuppence, and you are looking at a wage bubble around you at other clubs, you are going to get restless.

Sign no new expensive players, make sure to keep at least all the 11-14 most important players, spend the money distributing a flat numerical wage increase to all players (1X to the least important/developers, 2X to players of medium importance and 3X to the core) and keep the squad, thigh, motivated and happy.

Every time they sign a new contract they hand all of the negotiation power back to the club. They must know we aren't going to pay them 200k a week so why delay your chance of getting there by adding 2-3 more years

 

[DCSPUR]

this ITK stuff is like Kremlinlogy....

 

[dagraham]

The stadium needs to run at a capacity of 'X' amount to maintain. We loose our manager and key players, how do you build that again? You need to manage that by taking a calculated risk, which you know can be offset.

The sad thing is some people really do not understand this.

Yeah, every business has to manage short, medium and long term considerations. It's a balancing act, but you can't neglect any one of them.

 

[TH1239]

The simple fact of the matter is that we are operating at a historically low wage to turnover ratio currently. Our financial report from 2015-2016 showed aggregate revenue of 210 million pounds and a wage bill of 100 million pounds (48% wage to turnover). That's significantly lower than it's been for most of this decade, when we've been saving to pay for the stadium. In our 2012 report, for example, our collective revenue was roughly 145 million pounds and our wage bill was nearly 90 million pounds (62.5% wage to turnover).

With our massive revenue increase this past season towards 280 million pounds (50+ million just from the new television deal, as well as Champions League revenue), even if we handed out 15 million pounds of new contracts with renewals to our current squad in the last year (that'd be a 30K increase a week, on average, for 10 players), we'd still only have a wage bill around 115 million pounds. That would potentially put our wage to turnover ratio at or below 40% currently, which is FAR below the norm for us as a club in recent years and far below many European and British clubs. That means we could potentially add 30 million pounds to our wage bill to bring it closer to 145 million pounds based on projected revenue and still be at or around 50% wage-to-turnover ratio before any additional revenue from the new stadium is factored in (a 30 million pound wage increase would amount to roughly an additional 57K a week, on average, for 13 players in our squad). This isn't even taking into account the likelihood of even more television revenue starting in the 2019-2020 season.

The money is seemingly there to do this. Is there the will? If we want to keep this squad together, Levy will have no option but to bump up salaries significantly in the next two years. I'd rather we give these proven players we currently have bigger deals to keep them at Tottenham, then to wait until the stadium is paid off 7 years down the road to then go out and offer big wages to players who are nowhere near sure things to come in and be successes.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Yeah I think fans sometimes forget players don't think like they do. I'm sure they enjoy playing for Spurs and challenging at the business end of the table, but they don't give a stuff about building things slowly, any moral victories or doing things the "right way".

I'm pretty sure I recall three of our best players giving interviews last season in which they mentioned the pleasures of being at a club that "did things the right way" by promoting youth, building a tight squad and then keeping the squad together - and how it was more satisfying to the players that way.

I think it was Kane, Dier and Alli. Not 100% sure about Alli, but def the other two.