The England Thread

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  1. Shadydan

    Shadydan Well-Known Member

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    It's probably true, Chelsea have some serious talent but don't give their young players a chance to showcase it.
     
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  2. Bus-Conductor

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    You think Livermore has more to offer than Tom Carroll?
     
  3. Mr Pink

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    Would love to see Southgate be brave:

    Pickford

    Dier
    Stones
    Maguire

    Trippier
    Loftus Cheek
    Winks
    Rose

    Dele
    Sterling

    Kane


    Henderson, Cahill et al, just no, please no.

    He'll go for Walker, but the understanding Trippier has with Kane is immense.
     
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  4. Hoddle&Waddle

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    I'd prefer a Dier Winks midfield, Loftus-Cheek as a good all rounder to bring on from the bench.
     
  5. Hoddle&Waddle

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    Depends what you want to do tactically.
     
  6. @Bobby__Lucky

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    Actually watched this intrnational and was pleased I did. England friendliest are notoriously boring. This was refreshing and it's clear he gives the players confidence. Livermore even had a skill moment on the ball that I never thought was in his locker. I thought Southgate was a dull appointment, however I hold my hands up. Got rid of Rooney, giving debuts to players who I think are worth it, mainly RLC whom I think is an outstanding prospect. Maybe the injuries forced his hand, but with a team with a high number of debutants, RLC and the Liverpool defender, I can't remember his name who only have a few EPL matches to their name.

    More of same please Gareth.
     
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  7. Bus-Conductor

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    Play football ?
     
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  8. @Bobby__Lucky

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    I did think whilst watching the game whether Tom should of got a chance in this call up. Apparently he's been doing good at Swansea?
     
  9. Spurs 1961

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    A poor game. Most of the crowd were consumed by the challenge of getting paper aeroplanes to land on the pitch and very few actually watched the game much. The Germans started well but then seemed to not bother too much. All in all a pretty tame affair.

    Our guys did OK. Dier looks very good at the moment and Trippier had a decent game. Danny Rose got better as the game progressed but as said is still getting match fit. Pickford was the standout player for England with Stones looking classy and after a poor start Loftus Cheek looked decent. Livermore was, well he was Livermore and probably not the only player who should never be near an international side
     
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  10. Bus-Conductor

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    He's doing OK, I know he has his limitations, he's bit lightweight without the ball for sure, but he's a shit load more metronomic and progressive in his thinking with the ball than the likes of Livermore, and in a 3cm system there's the insurance in numbers there to cover his defensive deficiencies. It's this kind of ambition and risk aversion that has been a problem for England for decades. Always take the/a safe option, even when there's fuck all at stake.

    I give Southgate some credit for playing people like Loftus Cheek and Abraham and generally being a bit more youth orientated, but to be honest I don't really see he has much choice, the more senior options aren't there anyway and he was promoted from U21 boss as well.

    The problem is that as U21 boss he did exactly the same, as soon as games or one result didn't go his way he reverted to the risk averse strategy, dropped "flair" or "ball playing" players and picked the biggest lads or the ones from the biggest clubs who were "safer". There was no sticking to a tactical ethos win or lose. Saying "this is how we will play come helming or high water, and as a result we got the kind of wishy washy crap we got for the last 45 minutes tonight, once a team decides "lads it's England" it's all over, retreat to the 18 yard line and pray for break.

    The U21's under Boothroyd are exactly the same. The come out every game (and often every second half) fired up no doubt by a rousing speech/bollocking from Boothroyd, all bright eyed and bushy tailed, but as soon as any decent opposition start putting into practice a coached methodology it's shrinkage for England, back to passive aggressive bollocks, back to the 20 yard line, standing off until the ball gets given back to them and they break. Germany's second string U21's completely outplayed England U21's off the park last summer, despite on paper being a very strong side. The biggest difference was they had absolutely no tactical plan to fall back on. No clue how to impose themselves on a game for longer than for 10 minute spells against teams that actually do have some tactical plan.

    The only reason the U20's and U17's are so bloody good is the bilk of them come from Chelsea and ManC - with the odd others from Spurs, Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal - academies that are teaching kids a decent brand of coached tactical football.
     
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  11. spurs9

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    If Lallana comes back as the same player before injury, I would swap him for Sterling, but that would be a good team.
     
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  12. nailsy

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    I think he likes Dier in midfield s having him there allows the centre backs to bring the ball out as he can slot in and cover for them.

    Trippier might just get the nod over Walker because of his set pieces.

    As @spurs9 says above Lalana Will probably come back into the equation if he can get near his previous form again.
     
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  13. SugarRay

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    I wasn’t happy with Southgate appointment but I’m pleased with how he approached this game and how he’s going about things. Decent performance from what could have been argued was closer to a third team than a second team before the game started.
    Loftus-Cheek played well. Nice to see a player of his size with a bit of talent and the ability to have a look. Over here, if you’re over 6’2 it seemed you were cast as a donkey centre half or a lumbering centre forward for eternity! Dier, RLC, Dele and the likes are throwbacks
     
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  14. jonathanhotspur

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    There is something rotten in the state of Denmark when Jake Livermore is playing for England.
     
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    More worried if I was German using that logic
     
  16. Mr.D

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    What was the score?
     
  17. King of Otters

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    He and Kimmich cancelled each other out. He didn't forward much but didn't do much wrong.

    As he's short of full match fitness, it's understandable that he isn't at his best. However he's still the best left back in England.
     
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  19. Spurs 1961

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    England really need all players fit then a front four of Kane, Dele, Lallana and Rashford would be great to see. I would have Dier and Winks in the central midfield roles
     
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  20. Bus-Conductor

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    I don’t understand really why players like Cook, Onomah and even TOB or McEchran shouldn’t be given a game as reward for winning world cups. Clearly all are more talented and more likely to be the future than Livermore.

    How can the FA criticise clubs for not giving the recent WC winning players a pathway when for decades England managers haven’t.

    Best player out there last night for England was the youngest.
     
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