The England Thread

[spurs mental]

Why is anyone surprised? Plenty moaned at me for calling Southgate a prick for playing Kane, Alli, Dier and here we are with another injury and another defeat while the players who were "injured" were fresh for their clubs and influential in the games.

Fuck the national teams next season. We're too soft. Son left twice and he went on more travel this time too. Alli and Dier returning from long injuries and Dier would have played 180mins if he didn't get injured again. It's a fucking joke.

Club before country. Especially the England players next season.

 

[nailsy]

Shaw, Rashford, A.A, Loftus Cheek all dropped out and played this weekend. Stones was on the subs bench, Delph didn't feature at all. It does need looking at. I thought the England doctors had to asses the players before they were ruled out of the squad? Southgate has to take a stronger stance in my opinion and if players are keep dropping out due to injuries then just stop picking them and name and shame them in the media. None of the players bar Kane are irreplaceable now anyway.

Why is anyone surprised? Plenty moaned at me for calling Southgate a prick for playing Kane, Alli, Dier and here we are with another injury and another defeat while the players who were "injured" were fresh for their clubs and influential in the games.

Fuck the national teams next season. We're too soft. Son left twice and he went on more travel this time too. Alli and Dier returning from long injuries and Dier would have played 180mins if he didn't get injured again. It's a fucking joke.

Club before country. Especially the England players next season.

Southgates just doing his job. The problem isn't with him its with the clubs who are pulling their players and with the players themselves. He does need to be stronger with players who pull out, but I'd rather we didn't act like the other sides and start thinking that our club is bigger than the national game. It's stupid timing to pull out if you're not injured anyway. Our next match is the Nations League semi-final and the players that dropped out have just wasted a chance to cement their place in the squad/team.
And Son was playing for Korea before we signed him. We knew the situation with him so it's unfair to expect him to drop his international commitments.

 

[DJS]

Yep, england doing well with players we had in last squad so I’d leave out all the ones who dropped out and we’re miraculously available for their clubs for next squad.

I doubt Southgate will as seems too nice, but something needs to be done as ridiculous. They were England qualifiers and players should be making themselves available...

 

[spurs mental]

Shaw, Rashford, A.A, Loftus Cheek all dropped out and played this weekend. Stones was on the subs bench, Delph didn't feature at all. It does need looking at. I thought the England doctors had to asses the players before they were ruled out of the squad? Southgate has to take a stronger stance in my opinion and if players are keep dropping out due to injuries then just stop picking them and name and shame them in the media. None of the players bar Kane are irreplaceable now anyway.



Southgates just doing his job. The problem isn't with him its with the clubs who are pulling their players and with the players themselves. He does need to be stronger with players who pull out, but I'd rather we didn't act like the other sides and start thinking that our club is bigger than the national game. It's stupid timing to pull out if you're not injured anyway. Our next match is the Nations League semi-final and the players that dropped out have just wasted a chance to cement their place in the squad/team.
And Son was playing for Korea before we signed him. We knew the situation with him so it's unfair to expect him to drop his international commitments.

Not saying he should drop his international commitments but he was allowed to leave for two tournaments this season. He should have been allowed the time off the last break. Or we should have enforced it seeing as we let him go twice already.

If you think Southgate is strong enough to drop the likes of Arnold/Rashford etc then I very much believe you're mistaken. He isn't strong enough a character to do that.

 

[nailsy]

Not saying he should drop his international commitments but he was allowed to leave for two tournaments this season. He should have been allowed the time off the last break. Or we should have enforced it seeing as we let him go twice already.

If you think Southgate is strong enough to drop the likes of Arnold/Rashford etc then I very much believe you're mistaken. He isn't strong enough a character to do that.

It's against the rules for us to stop him going off to International duty. If he wants to go we can't really stop him. Or we could do, but then you've got an unhappy player on your hands.
I can't see Southgate leaving players out just because they pulled out of this squad either, but he might end up taking Rose and Chilwell instead of Shaw because they took their chance in the qualifiers. Has Rashford ever pulled out of a squad before? I can't remember, but he's played over thirty games for England in the last three years so it doesn't look like he's someone who's putting club before country.
There is a chance that some of the players were genuinely injured as well. Alexander Arnold was apparently desperate to play, but was ruled out by the England doctor.

 

['O Zio]

Don’t agree with racism, but I don’t see how you can punish the majority. When it was the minority being dickheads.

If the minority is small enough then I agree with you, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case. When it's a handful i.e. 3 or 4 blokes doing something, like those Chelsea blokes and Sterling, then you can single them out and punish those responsible, but when it's e.g. 30% of the crowd then, while still a minority, it's too big a minority to single them out. When it's at that level the only way to really stop it is to make it self-policing. If you make the punishments fit the crime and actually kicked them out of the tournament, then you'd very quickly find that the 70% who are just there to watch the match and support their team normally, would call out the 30% of bellends themselves and eventually it would be reduced to a few idiots determined to be racist no matter what, which would then make it easy to single them out and remove them.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I like to think the majority of those taking part in racist chanting aren't actually die-hard racists, they just go along with it because it's part of the football culture over there and they just join in with the songs etc. I'm not saying that makes it OK, I'm just saying I don't think it would take too much to stop those people from doing it. If you can get other fans to call them out on it, then those people would very quickly stop doing it and you'd just be left with the small minority of idiots who are genuinely more bothered about being a racist **** than watching the match, and they would be easier to single out.

 

[Marty]

Montenegro sentenced to one match behind closed doors and a €20,000 fine.

Bayern Munich were fined €12,000 for blocking stairways in the home game against Liverpool.

A pitiful punishment for racism, as expected.

 

[spursfan77]

Thought this article was worth posting. Anyone who hasn't seen the film probably should do. Taylor wasnt the best manager but he was a good guy, some of the treatment he got was awful.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/making-impossible-job-ffts-inside-story-men-involved

Making ‘An Impossible Job’: FourFourTwo's inside story from the men involved
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...inside-story-men-involved#E80LZrEMHCJm5Hh4.99

When Graham Taylor granted TV cameras full access to his England camp in 1993, little could he have predicted the furore that followed. FFT went behind the scenes of the film that hung the beleaguered boss out to dry with his ‘Taylorisms’ – and ruined the career of his right-hand man...

 

[Shadydan]

Nations League squad

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke City), Tom Heaton (Burnley), Jordan Pickford (Everton)

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Ben Chilwell (Leicester City), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Michael Keane (Everton), Harry Maguire (Leicester City), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Tottenham Hotspur), Kyle Walker (Manchester City)

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Ross Barkley (Chelsea), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Nathan Redmond (Southampton), Declan Rice (West Ham United), James Ward-Prowse (Southampton), Harry Winks (Tottenham Hotspur)

Strikers: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Callum Wilson (AFC Bournemouth)

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Nations League squad

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke City), Tom Heaton (Burnley), Jordan Pickford (Everton)

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Ben Chilwell (Leicester City), Joe Gomez (Liverpool), Michael Keane (Everton), Harry Maguire (Leicester City), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Tottenham Hotspur), Kyle Walker (Manchester City)

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Ross Barkley (Chelsea), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Nathan Redmond (Southampton), Declan Rice (West Ham United), James Ward-Prowse (Southampton), Harry Winks (Tottenham Hotspur)

Strikers: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Callum Wilson (AFC Bournemouth)

Cue rage that Tottenham players have dared been selected for international fixtures.

 

[Shadydan]

WhErE iS mAdDiSoN aNd WaN biSsAkA

 

[SteveH]

WhErE iS mAdDiSoN aNd WaN biSsAkA

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[jondesouza]

Are we really allowed to take 27 players to the Nations League finals or is this just a provisional squad?

 

[Spurs 1961]

Are we really allowed to take 27 players to the Nations League finals or is this just a provisional squad?

Provisional squad

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Are we really allowed to take 27 players to the Nations League finals or is this just a provisional squad?

Provisional - will have to name 23 man squad, if everyone is fit I reckon Redmond, Ward-Prowse, Delph and one of Wilson or Keane will be dropped.

 

[mpickard2087]

Assuming all are fit then balance-wise should probably shed one of the right backs, one of Dier/Rice, Ward-Prowse, and one of Redmond/Lingard.

 

[wirE]

Look at Chelsea playing these uselss games in the US just for the fanbase. RBL Out for a YEAR!!!

 

[Shadydan]

Look at Chelsea playing these uselss games in the US just for the fanbase. RBL Out for a YEAR!!!

Yeah I feel sorry for Ruben Boftus Leek

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Our England players need a break , CL final 1st June then Netherlands game on 6th June and another possible game, first summer tour game in Singapore 21st July. When will players get a break they will be knackered for start of next season , it's crazy.

 

[Shadydan]

Our England players need a break , CL final 1st June then Netherlands game on 6th June and another possible game, first summer tour game in Singapore 21st July. When will players get a break they will be knackered for start of next season , it's crazy.

It's not that big of an issue, I suspect that because of the CL final pre season will be delayed for a couple of weeks anyway.