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Rocksuperstar

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The more i watch the highlights of the England/Italy match and the Holland/Spain game, the more i realise how far behind we are with regards to the definition of "world class" when selecting a team.

None of our squad would've had the flair to bury that, lets call it what it is, world class header, like Van Persie. None of our squad would have the composure and ultimate tekkers to bring that amazing cross down and calmly slot it away, like Robben. We haven't even got anyone on the flanks who i would confidently say could even imagine such a dangerous and precise delivery.

Even at the back, we look thin & fragile, getting picked apart by some fast passing - the Dutch were organised and covered back in numbers, cutting off the supply lines and breaking faster than lightening. When they break it's measured in feet-per-second, when England break it's measured in how many cadburys creme eggs melt at room temperature.

I think you'll find that is a genuine scientific measurement, btw, i checked, so no need to look it up.

My point was, across the board, we are outclassed by five or six teams, probably more. We play like a bunch of guys who have met over the park, not a team at all. Every pass seems to take the recipient by surprise, or is played into space where no-one was running, but even the Spanish, whilst getting tonked, managed to produce the odd glimpse of practiced pass/move, attacking football.

Worst bit is that even outclassed, we don't even have the balls or bite to make a fist of it - the entire team before the match, including Woy - "We're going out there to go for it, lets really go for it, we're going to attack and we want the win".

Really? If that's them wanting a win, i'd hate to see them not feeling it - every time a break looked on we went backwards - for most of the match we were trying to draw them out and they weren't playing that game, yet we STILL carried on doing, over and over and over, and each time they made a break for it we looked like a pack of hounds chasing a hare.

No spirit, no passion, all too interested in how being here will further their career, not on how fucking proud they should be to have the chance to play on the biggest stage of all for their country and give it everything they've got.

We're going to be massively shown up when we crash out of this tournament. With Costa Rica winning then i dunno, we might even still make it out of the group, but we are going to be gang-raped in the knockouts.
 

not_tenth-again

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Im a neutral and wasn't paying 100% attention to the game, but it seemed a bit same old, same old to me.

Where are the on field leaders? Who are they supposed to be? With 20 to go who stepped up and started commanding the ball from team mates?

That looked like the usual to me, so paralysed by the thought of failure that they shirked the opportunity to succeed

Sorry if ive got it wrong but i just didn't see enough drive or even urgency in their play to suggest they'll make it out of their group.
 

talkshowhost86

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Seems like the debate over Rooney is the only thing people care about with England following the Italy game.

Personally I think the time may have come to drop him.

Sterling did a very good job in that central role so doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Welbeck works his nuts off for the team and we probably need him in that left sided role to try and help out Baines when he bombs forward.

Then we've got Lallana and Barkley who are both able to have an impact from the right and who both look in much better nick than Rooney at the moment.

So unless you then drop Sturridge, which would be ridiculous, I think Rooney should only be on the bench for the Uruguay game.
 

dagraham

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Seems like the debate over Rooney is the only thing people care about with England following the Italy game.

Personally I think the time may have come to drop him.

Sterling did a very good job in that central role so doesn't deserve to be dropped.

Welbeck works his nuts off for the team and we probably need him in that left sided role to try and help out Baines when he bombs forward.

Then we've got Lallana and Barkley who are both able to have an impact from the right and who both look in much better nick than Rooney at the moment.

So unless you then drop Sturridge, which would be ridiculous, I think Rooney should only be on the bench for the Uruguay game.

Why can't we just put Rooney in a free role behind Sturridge and put Sterling on the right?
 

nidge

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Why is it only Rooney getting a shellacking?

Where's the same sort of vitriol for teflon stevie?
 

talkshowhost86

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Why can't we just put Rooney in a free role behind Sturridge and put Sterling on the right?

Because I thought Sterling was much more dangerous when he was in a central role against Italy. When he went out wide in the second half he was much less effective.

If Sterling hadn't performed then fair enough, but he was our most dangerous player by far against Italy so he should stay where he was.
 

dagraham

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Because I thought Sterling was much more dangerous when he was in a central role against Italy. When he went out wide in the second half he was much less effective.

If Sterling hadn't performed then fair enough, but he was our most dangerous player by far against Italy so he should stay where he was.

Fair enough. No arguments he was our best player and he was less effective in the second half. I put that down more to the team losing belief and generally becoming a bit tired and disjointed, rather than specifically because Sterling switched positions (although I was sleep deprived and half cut while watching it).

Uruguay's defence and midfield are shit compared Italy and I think Sterling could have a lot of joy from the right, whilst Rooney in his favoured position could have a game which builds his confidence and gets him a bit of momentum.

What is a bigger concern to me is how our defence are going to fare against Suarez and Cavani. And also scratching my head as to how the best we can do in CM is Henderson.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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--------------Hart
Johnson--Cahill--Jagieka--Baines
--------Gerrard--Milner
------------Barkley
Sterling-----------------Lallana
----------- Sturridge
 

THFCSPURS19

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--------------Hart
Johnson--Cahill--Jagieka--Baines
--------Gerrard--Milner
------------Barkley
Sterling-----------------Lallana
----------- Sturridge
Milner as CDM- What the actual fuck?
 

talkshowhost86

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--------------Hart
Johnson--Cahill--Jagieka--Baines
--------Gerrard--Milner
------------Barkley
Sterling-----------------Lallana
----------- Sturridge

Is that little fucker Wilshere fit? If so he'd probably be a better option than Milner.

I'd also go with a front four of:

Lallana Sterling Welbeck

--------Sturridge---------
 

talkshowhost86

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Fair enough. No arguments he was our best player and he was less effective in the second half. I put that down more to the team losing belief and generally becoming a bit tired and disjointed, rather than specifically because Sterling switched positions (although I was sleep deprived and half cut while watching it).

Uruguay's defence and midfield are shit compared Italy and I think Sterling could have a lot of joy from the right, whilst Rooney in his favoured position could have a game which builds his confidence and gets him a bit of momentum.

What is a bigger concern to me is how our defence are going to fare against Suarez and Cavani. And also scratching my head as to how the best we can do in CM is Henderson.

I just don't think Rooney is that good that we should be doing all we can to get the best out of him, even if it's to the detriment of other players.

I think that at his best Rooney is a fantastic player and previously we should have built the team around him. But he's not that player any more and I would just like to see Roy have the guts to drop him.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Milner as CDM- What the actual fuck?

More using as a box to box and to drift wide if Lallane cuts in. Has better passing than Henderson and more work rate defensively than Wilshere.

If he have been tasked with hassling Pirlo, no way would he have been so lackadaisical at his job as Gerrard and Henderson were.
 

Mr Pink

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Because I thought Sterling was much more dangerous when he was in a central role against Italy. When he went out wide in the second half he was much less effective.

If Sterling hadn't performed then fair enough, but he was our most dangerous player by far against Italy so he should stay where he was.

But he was also tiring in the second half. He still had some dangerous moments down the right before he started shanking the ball out. The cramp was setting in etc.

I agree he reallly looked good in the position but its almost unthinkable to take Rooney to a world cup and not play him in his best position before its too late..ie being knocked out.

Personally I think it will be the same eleven who started against Italy, with Rooney in the centre, Sterling and Welbeck either side him, all behind Strurridge, obviously.

Maybe Lallana or Ox (doubtful, more likely to come off the bench) will start in place of Welbeck.
 

Mr Pink

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Going 4-3-3, would be the ballsy move by Hodgson:

Hart

Johnson
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Gerrard
Wilshere
Barkley

Sterling
Sturridge
Lallana


That would take real balls, but would be a very interesting team.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Going 4-3-3, would be the ballsy move by Hodgson:

Hart

Johnson
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Gerrard
Wilshere
Barkley

Sterling
Sturridge
Lallana


That would take real balls, but would be a very interesting team.

The thing is, I think we can get away with playing a ballsy team. Uruguay have headline players who are a few stars, but as a whole team and after the like of Suarez etc they are not great. I expect us to control the game to be honest, and if we don't it will show massive incompetency.
 

kaz Hirai

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England lol

-----------sturridge

Sterling---Rooney---welbeck

------Gerrard- troll face


The forwards are now in portions they're all comfortable with. Coutinho played in the hole for Liverpool not sterling.

Wayne Rooney scored 17 goals and made 10 assists in 29 league games for the worst united team in prem history both in performance and the players around him. I'd say he's far from past it or shit. I mean he's no Harry Kane but who is ;)

Unfortunately for England the midfield is weak who ever you put in there an the back line is more dodgey than ours, least we have Hugo
 

Mr Pink

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The thing is, I think we can get away with playing a ballsy team. Uruguay have headline players who are a few stars, but as a whole team and after the like of Suarez etc they are not great. I expect us to control the game to be honest, and if we don't it will show massive incompetency.

Yeah, to be honest, I think we'll win.

They're not good defensively and left huge spaces at the back for Costa Rica to exploit.

If we can actually finish well we could stick a good few past them, although I'm sure they'll score to.
 

dbspurs

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If he played that team i would be very happy but it will never happen because Woy has no balls and after playing Rooney on the left i have lost all respect for him as a tactician.

Once the World Cup is over i think Gerrard's going to retire from international football.

The only reason i would play him at the moment is because there is really no one else in the squad who can play that role (Lampard would be as bad as Gerrard).

Woy screwed up when he left Carrick on the beach.
 
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