The England Thread

[Bus-Conductor]

Not happy about that being given as a penalty. On the slo-mo it looks a foul but slowing down the video makes most things look worse than they are, and often does a good job at removing the context. In real time it's two players side by side coming in contact, and the ball has gone.

It's difficult because the VAR helps them see a foul they may not have seen without it, but it will upgrade minor contact to major punishments.

The WC is going to be 'fun'...

It was just a plain old penalty mate. Bloke stood on his foot as he was drilling through. Ref missed it, VAR saw it. Its exactly what it's for.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

That's bollocks mate, England were shelling it before Southgate swapped out a CF, a FB and all three CM's, hardly going to aid rhythm is it. There's running about like a nut case and then there's just having a bit of fucking vim, and the ability to move.

I don't remember anyone lecturing us about it being all about blocking passes when Phil Jones was playing CM for England, he was just a turgid ****. And Italy had more chances when Dier was playing CM.

Big difference between shelling it and being under pressure. We were under pressure because we had 4 attacking players who do not or cannot perform off the ball.

I thought Dier was keeping things relatively calm while in midfield.

If your hairing about like scotty Parker use to then it's worth it, he use to win the ball back constantly, but this idea players need a bit of vim?

I remember Scholes having a bit of vim and it cost United goal after goal in his latter cm days.

Vim is overrated, the ability to stay calm when all around you are acting like Phil Jones, that is the key.

 

[Danners9]

It was just a plain old penalty mate. Bloke stood on his foot as he was drilling through. Ref missed it, VAR saw it. Its exactly what it's for.

If you say so, I think it's a harsh decision. Touching his foot doesn't stop the Italian player getting the ball; he wasn't getting the ball in the first place. I didn't watch the game live, timezones/apathy, but seeing the replay of it and hearing there was controversy, I fully expected the foul to be one of the other two players to have committed a foul.

In general though, if they are going to go looking for things to decide are 'debatable' we're going to get a lot of 'dodgy' decisions. Perhaps that's part of the learning process for VAR. But those making the decisions need to set a higher bar for what they consider worthy, otherwise we're basically saying it's a non contact sport.

 

[Stevespurs71]

Not happy about that being given as a penalty. On the slo-mo it looks a foul but slowing down the video makes most things look worse than they are, and often does a good job at removing the context. In real time it's two players side by side coming in contact, and the ball has gone.

It's difficult because the VAR helps them see a foul they may not have seen without it, but it will upgrade minor contact to major punishments.

The WC is going to be 'fun'...

It was just a plain old penalty mate. Bloke stood on his foot as he was drilling through. Ref missed it, VAR saw it. Its exactly what it's for.

Not for me. I really do believe that VAR is going to ruin football, both for fans & players. Gonna love watching it fuck up the WC!!!

 

[jonnyrotten]

I'm not so sure, he lost control of the ball , and after that his foot was trodden on accidentally.

Not sure what constitutes football these days.

THIS is why it shouldn't have been given. Cos there are posts and posts arguing about it! Clear and obvious my arse.

 

[Chinaspur]

I've just started the second half, but first 50 minutes Dier has been fucking turgid. He cannot step past a man, so unless he receives the ball in space all he does is shuffle it backwards to someone standing 4 yards from him.

And @Frozen_Waffles - yes England are playing 3 at the back, but also playing a kind of 3 in midfield, with OC and Lingard dropping in either side, plus two WB's who can both play football, so he's not outnumbered.

In an ideal world, I wouldn't have OC and Lingard in there, I'd have Wilshire, Winks or Lallana, but Dier is captain fucking slow, he's like a human hand brake. And if he played for anyone else he'd be getting mullered for his performance on here.

Henderson's no Alonso either, but at least he can move with the ball and has a bit of dynamism about him.

Watches England

Spends his time getting irritated by one of the two of our boys playing despite there being plenty of incompetence on display (Stones I’m looking at you)

Comes on a Spurs forum to tell everyone our lad is shit

Is a tool

 

[nailsy]

How is it not a clear and obvious error? I get your point if it was one of these daft offside decisions where even after seeing it 10 times it's impossible to tell if their nosehair was slightly offside etc. but in this case the bloke has had his foot trodden on, which is a clear foul and prevented him from getting a shot away, however that clear penalty was not given. Therefore it was a clear and obvious error and was quite correctly overturned by VAR. Whether or not it was an accident is completely irrelevant. The fact is it was a foul all day long so the VAR got it right.

Is it a foul though? According to the rules the ref has to decide if the offence is careless, reckless, or made with excessive force before he can award a foul. It certainly wasn't the last two so it can only be a foul if its considered careless. So what makes something careless? According to FIFAs rules "Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution". The key bit for me here is 'making a challenge'. Did the England player make a challenge? Personally I'd say that he was running back and that the Italian guy ran into his path.

 

[goughie1966]

Only because 50% of people can't put their bias aside and admit that it was quite clearly a penalty

Had it been Vardy's foot trodden on and we didn't get a penalty we'd all be screaming it was a stamp and a blatant penalty. Unfortunately very few of us can watch and comment on football without bias. I know I can't!

 

[TheChosenOne]

Guardian's take on who is going ....

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/27/england-world-cup-squad-russia-friendlies

Best bit..

Jack Wilshere Tendinopathy has ruled him out in the past. Given that knee condition flares up regularly, can Southgate risk him at a tournament? No

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think for me, the only question answered in these friendlies is that Pickford should be #1, thought his distribution was well ahead of Butland - given that Southgate wants to play out of the back.

 

[spurs mental]

Shame for Dele if Southgate leaves him out. Great for Spurs though.

 

[WiganSpur]

I think for me, the only question answered in these friendlies is that Pickford should be #1, thought his distribution was well ahead of Butland - given that Southgate wants to play out of the back.

I think Maguire has probably justified his place in the 23 too.

Apart from that though there's nothing we don't already know.

 

[nailsy]

I think for me, the only question answered in these friendlies is that Pickford should be #1, thought his distribution was well ahead of Butland - given that Southgate wants to play out of the back.

The experiment with Walker as a CB was new as well. It probably reinforced how unreliable Wilshere is as well.

I guess a lot of the stuff that the manager learns goes on in training as well. How the new players integrate with the rest of the squad, how they train, etc. is probably pretty important when planning for a tournament

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

There's a new 2018 World Cup forum just been opened and at some point we'll temporarily lock this thread as chat becomes more and more related to Russia.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?forums/the-2018-world-cup.117/

 

[DJS]

Big difference between shelling it and being under pressure. We were under pressure because we had 4 attacking players who do not or cannot perform off the ball.

I thought Dier was keeping things relatively calm while in midfield.

If your hairing about like scotty Parker use to then it's worth it, he use to win the ball back constantly, but this idea players need a bit of vim?

I remember Scholes having a bit of vim and it cost United goal after goal in his latter cm days.

Vim is overrated, the ability to stay calm when all around you are acting like Phil Jones, that is the key.

Vim?

 

[jondesouza]

First post-World Cup England squad should be announced in a couple of weeks for the game in Spain. Do you think there'll be any new faces? I reckon James Maddison and Will Hughes have to be in with a shout. Maybe a new centre-back as Cahill and Jones are yet to get into a Premier League squad. Joe Gomez will come back in but that leaves one further space at least.

 

[DJS]

First post-World Cup England squad should be announced in a couple of weeks for the game in Spain. Do you think there'll be any new faces? I reckon James Maddison and Will Hughes have to be in with a shout. Maybe a new centre-back as Cahill and Jones are yet to get into a Premier League squad. Joe Gomez will come back in but that leaves one further space at least.

Gomez will be a welcome addition back as gives us another pacy centre back, Maddison is also a good shout as we need someone a bit more creative alongside Dele or Lingard who are more your direct scoring type of attacking midfielder. Llana could also take this role but will take some work for him to break into Liverpool team and not sure he’s suited to their system as well as other midfielders they now have.

Sessegnon will be interesting addition to left hand side attacking options as well as wasn’t massive fan of playing Young effective as an inverted left wing back.

 

[nailsy]

I'd guess that Rose, Jones, Pope, Cahill, Loftus Cheek and Welbeck could all be replaced.
Gomez and Maddison seem like good shouts. Barkley could come in as well after starting the first two games of the season.

 

[jondesouza]

I'd guess that Rose, Jones, Pope, Cahill, Loftus Cheek and Welbeck could all be replaced.
Gomez and Maddison seem like good shouts. Barkley could come in as well after starting the first two games of the season.

I'd say it's two of Barkley, Maddison, Lallana, Loftus-Cheek and Hughes. It depends how loyal Southgate is to the World Cup players that can't currentley get into their teams. For me, I hope he drops anyone that isn't getting picked by their teams.

 

[bceej]

Is it too early for a 25-man squad prediction?

Goalkeepers: Pickford, Butland, McCarthy
Defenders: Trippier, Alexander-Arnold, Walker, Maguire, Stones, Gomez, Shaw, Rose
Midfielders: Alli, Hughes, Maddison, Dier, Foden, Lingard, Cook
Forwards: Kane, Sterling, Gray, Sancho, Vardy, Wilson

Think a lot of the younger lads have forced their way into contention.

Might be a bit optimistic - wouldn't be averse to seeing Wan-Bissaka, Lascelles, Chilwell, Tarkowski, Loftus-Cheek or Rashford in there but don't think it's likely.