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Saoirse

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Chelsea do that to most english players they sign. Anyone would regress rotting on the bench.
And yet we all expect KWP to somehow get better when in recent years he's literally had more gametime for England's U21s than at literally any level for us...
 

King of Otters

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Never been a massive England fan, but there’s plenty to be excited about at the moment: lots of Spurs players, some of the best young players in Europe coming into the team, likeable manager, very few Goons, and lots of Spurs players.
 

slartibartfast

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And yet we all expect KWP to somehow get better when in recent years he's literally had more gametime for England's U21s than at literally any level for us...
KWP is young and just starting his adult career so I would expect him to have played more game time for u21s than a top 4 PL team. Cant really compare kwp to Barkley imo.
 

Phomesy

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And yet we all expect KWP to somehow get better when in recent years he's literally had more gametime for England's U21s than at literally any level for us...

Tbf if Bayern came in with a 20 million bid for KWP I might start asking some questions about his minutes but they haven't so I haven't either... :cautious:
 

SE Spurs

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Great result for England. Really enjoyed it too, which hasn't always happened in qualifiers. Defence is still gonna be our biggest issue, but going forward, there's real quality and pace. Pissed off with Diers injury though, hopefully its not serious.
 

nailsy

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I thought it was good management to take Sterling off. He's a player that the fans haven't always appreciated, so it would've given him a massive boost to hear the ovation as he went off. He's also probably going to be the England player that plays the most games this season as as City are still in three competitions and he's already played more games than Harry.

It's hard to tell how good we are from that performance though. The Czechs were awful.
 

Shadydan

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I thought it was good management to take Sterling off. He's a player that the fans haven't always appreciated, so it would've given him a massive boost to hear the ovation as he went off. He's also probably going to be the England player that plays the most games this season as as City are still in three competitions and he's already played more games than Harry.

It's hard to tell how good we are from that performance though. The Czechs were awful.

I reckon you don't really need to measure that performance to see how good we are, we are genuinely a good team now. The mentality and focus alone of the players is there for all to see and now we have the ability to match.

The best thing is that you know there's players ready to step in that are hungry, everyone wants to play for England now, you can tell the players really enjoy it and are desperate to put in a shift, great to see.
 

Spurger King

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I reckon you don't really need to measure that performance to see how good we are, we are genuinely a good team now. The mentality and focus alone of the players is there for all to see and now we have the ability to match.

The best thing is that you know there's players ready to step in that are hungry, everyone wants to play for England now, you can tell the players really enjoy it and are desperate to put in a shift, great to see.

Just to add to this, I think the players also recognise that the fans will be on board as long as effort is shown. The ‘golden generation’ were mostly half-hearted and indifferent. This lot seem much more committed.
 

nailsy

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I reckon you don't really need to measure that performance to see how good we are, we are genuinely a good team now. The mentality and focus alone of the players is there for all to see and now we have the ability to match.

The best thing is that you know there's players ready to step in that are hungry, everyone wants to play for England now, you can tell the players really enjoy it and are desperate to put in a shift, great to see.

I know that we're a good team, but we could be a great team. It's just hard to tell how close we are against this opposition. I still think we need to get more out of Harry as we don't create enough chances for him these days.
 

slartibartfast

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I know that we're a good team, but we could be a great team. It's just hard to tell how close we are against this opposition. I still think we need to get more out of Harry as we don't create enough chances for him these days.
You're bang on. Kane is supplying Sterling. Thats what was so frustrating in the wc. Watching a twice golden boot winner setting up someone who misses more often than not while he is never set up by anyone. Its a strange way to make use of Kane. Yes he is fantastic at threading balls through and passing but when you have a top notch goal machine and dont use him to score its odd. If Sterling can keep sticking them in then happy days but against better opposition you're not gonna get 5 or 6 chances, you're gonna get 1 or 2 and I'd rather see Kane facing the keeper with the ball at his feet than Sterling.
We played fkin well last night though.
 
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theShiznit

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You watch Kane for England and it must be so frustrating. He very rarely gets to use the ball in the positions he does his best work for us. He still moves into those positions and asks for the ball. But these players are so dribble reliant that it's like they don't even see their best finisher/goal scorer.
As the game goes on Kane basically stops moving into those positions and asking for it.

He still looks leggy to me though so glad of the minutes. Also needs to get his touch back still.
 

Shadydan

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I know that we're a good team, but we could be a great team. It's just hard to tell how close we are against this opposition. I still think we need to get more out of Harry as we don't create enough chances for him these days.

Think there's only 2 countries Indefinately better than us now, France and Belgium.
 

Vincent30

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No premier league starts for Hudson-Odoi and he looks like a seasoned pro

How i'd love him at Spurs.

Looking at England, the next two or three world cups we really could have a chance.

Sancho and Hudson added to our attacking threat with Kane. Sterling is a danger when up for, with Dele and Jessie. That's some real attacking threat.

If Chelsea don't start Hudson next year they are idiots. He will be top top class.
 

THFCSPURS19

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How i'd love him at Spurs.

Looking at England, the next two or three world cups we really could have a chance.

Sancho and Hudson added to our attacking threat with Kane. Sterling is a danger when up for, with Dele and Jessie. That's some real attacking threat.

If Chelsea don't start Hudson next year they are idiots. He will be top top class.
Rashford as well.
 

hughy

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Not getting ahead of myself but I think we'll win back to back to back EC, WC and EC like Spain did.

And probably the following WC cos why not?
 

alfie103

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England played well last night but I think a better team would have scored at least a couple against us, we looked quite open at the back.
 

iddebu52

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Great result for England. Really enjoyed it too, which hasn't always happened in qualifiers. Defence is still gonna be our biggest issue, but going forward, there's real quality and pace. Pissed off with Diers injury though, hopefully its not serious.
Well you can get pissed off once more with Aurier's injury today mate!!!!!!
 
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