The fans should force Enic to sack levy.

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he did so well in the short time he was here but then he started wrongly believing being a chairman was a doddle, started signing players off his own back and has basically destroyed alll the good foundations he laid.

Enic gave him this post to raise the profile of the club and make them money but he went too far and now they should appoint a new chairman, someone better who won't make us look stupid anymore. Clear out the board. We, the fans, have the power to do this.
As I have pointed out in other threads, ENIC have invested just over £60 million in Tottenham since 2001 and the value of this investment is now just shy of £240 million. So from ENIC's point of view he has done a fantastic job.
As pointed out elsewhere Levy runs ENIC and is ENIC's sole representative on the Tottenham Board, though Matthew Collecott used to be employed by the company. ENIC now owns 82% of the effective share capital of the Company(including Preference shares). He is unlikely to sack himself from either company.

Levy has to my mind shown himself to be a weak man-manager in the whole Jol/Commolli dog-fight but, notwithstanding that, he has undoubtedly transformed Tottenham into a well-organised entity since he took over.

Your whole post is a knee-jerk rant based not on knowledge but on bile.
 

SpurSince57

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So where WAS Levy at yesterday's press conference? Isn't is usual for the chairman to present a new head coach? No doubt the spin is on its way.

I think that if Levy thought Jol should go he should have done it in the summer, not start two games into this season. There's no doubt in my mind that the events since August have had a negative effect on the team and its results. Jol had a difficult set of fixtures to deal with - we only got 8 points from the same 10 games last season - and this didn't help.

Ramos has been brought in to start with Blackpool at home. This is followed by 5 league games all of which we won under Jol last season. Let's see how Wendy does.

But if Levy had been the chairman of a plc in the City and carried on like this there's little doubt that the shareholders would have asked him to stand down. He's embarrassed the club and dragged its name through the mud. And as Martin Jol knows, it doesn't matter what you've achieved in the past, if you cock up now it's time to go.

Not trying to convince anyone else of this view - it's just my opinion :wink:.
His Slipperiness was, apparently, at the ground, but was for some unspecified reason unable to find his way to the Oak Room. Perhaps it was something along the lines of, 'Damo, I feel one of my heads coming on, could you do the honours? And don't forget, we were never in Seville.'

We are assured he will be fightin' fit for the EGM.
 
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it's levy that put us into the bottom 3, not jol.
rubbish, if you want to lay blame it is shared between all parties. The board for getting caught ( though part of me is happy they showed ambition to at least try to get a better manager, eventually with success ), Jol for not improving the defence and other things and the lazy overpaid players who lack passion and commitment ( except a few like Keane, Bale etc )

We are well run, making profit and plenty money has been provided to the manager, resulting in what is our best squad for years ( though they aint playing like it atm ) . But that is why Ramos was brought in for, hopefully getting the best out of them.

If I was being critical about anything, it would be the slow progress in a new stadium or improved WHL capacity as we have to keep pace with the big four, decision has to be made quickly.
 
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BOF

I think it was the correct thing for Levy to do in not attending the press conferance. It would have invited embarrasing questions that would have not done the club any good at this time. I'm sure he would have liked to be sat next to one of the most saught after managers in world football having just procured his services for a club 14 places outside a CL spot and never kickd a CL ball (no mean feat don't you think).

And to say if he'd been chairman of a PLC in the city he'd be asked to step down is incorrect too. In fact if he'd been chairman of a city PLC and the company had been woefully underperforming largely due to one of it's most senior managers and the most overperforming manager was available in the same sector the shareholders would be possitively miffed if he didn't approach the guy with a view to replacing the current incumbant. The only difference would be that if he were chairman of a city PLC it would only make a byline on page 14 of the FT. None the less the fact is the shareholders would be pretty impressed that their chairman had gone out and secured the services of the best performing senior manager with proven track record (and on paper possibly the best senior managerial appointment the company had ever made) currently availbale in the industry sector.


And citrus - shouldn't you be back at school this week - or do girls schools in highbury get two weeks.
 

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the idiot is the guy who made his own position untennable because he is a charlie big 'tatoes.

its people like u that have brought shame on this club.

i'd rather be branded an idiot than be anywhere near you or levy, on a social level.

the broom is coming.
First of all, I didn't brand you an idiot. I asked if you were previously banned for being an idiot.

Secondly, I would just like to ask how people like me have brought shame on the club? What have I done?

Thirdly if you would rather be an idiot than a success like levy, then you can be. May I recommend you have it Tatood on your head?

Fourthly, I am glad the broom is coming. When it gets here could you carry on with your cleaning job rather than being here. They don't pay you minimum wage for you to spend your time on the internet.

Finally, next time I will not be polite.
 

fozzi44

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he did so well in the short time he was here but then he started wrongly believing being a chairman was a doddle, started signing players off his own back and has basically destroyed alll the good foundations he laid.

Enic gave him this post to raise the profile of the club and make them money but he went too far and now they should appoint a new chairman, someone better who won't make us look stupid anymore. Clear out the board. We, the fans, have the power to do this.
Worst post ever IMO, did you just make all of the above up? :roll:I hardly think he would have a misguided guided preconception that being a chariman of a massive, high profile football club with huge turnover was a doodle - he is hardly a fool - as his millions in the bank would testify to.

Just what we need at the minute - a clearout of the board - why not add some more short term uncertainity and destablise the club further. Eek:roll:

Anyway it was only in the summer people thought he was a legend? "very shroud" was the phrase doing the rounds if i remember correctly. I am more than happy with what he has done to the club. And sacking Jol for Ramos was a good decision, something needed to be done to sort the team out. I am Jols biggest defender and i only wanted him to go if he could be replaced immediately with Ramos.

Levy has taken some difficult decisions lately but i feel they were the right ones - and that is what is most important. Ok everyone including the board know it could all have been handled better but who care, lets move on.

We are financially sound, and this is as a result of great work by Levy and the board - a fact all to easily brushed aside by idots like you who post shit like this. :shake:
 
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So where WAS Levy at yesterday's press conference? Isn't is usual for the chairman to present a new head coach? No doubt the spin is on its way.

I think that if Levy thought Jol should go he should have done it in the summer, not start two games into this season. There's no doubt in my mind that the events since August have had a negative effect on the team and its results. Jol had a difficult set of fixtures to deal with - we only got 8 points from the same 10 games last season - and this didn't help.

Ramos has been brought in to start with Blackpool at home. This is followed by 5 league games all of which we won under Jol last season. Let's see how Wendy does.

But if Levy had been the chairman of a plc in the City and carried on like this there's little doubt that the shareholders would have asked him to stand down. He's embarrassed the club and dragged its name through the mud. And as Martin Jol knows, it doesn't matter what you've achieved in the past, if you cock up now it's time to go.

Not trying to convince anyone else of this view - it's just my opinion :wink:.
I agree with your sentiments on Jol's removal. It should have happened if at all at the end of May.

But Ramos is coming in when the team are at a low ebb, so a direct comparison with last year's results would be unfair, though, personally I'm confident we'll do pretty well in the upcoming games.

Your point about Levy being asked to resign if he were a Chairman of a Plc "in the city" doesn't bear scrutiny. Firstly, he is a Chairman of a Plc, albeit not in the City, but any Plc in the City of which the Chairman controls 68% of the Ordinary share capital and 95% of the preference shares might, just possibly, back him to the hilt. I disagree that he has dragged the Club's name through the mud, though I do think he is guilty of allowing this to happen. Having said that, one of the main perpetrators has apparently fallen on his sword. Long may he pursue he interests in the US.
Finally, my view of Levy's absence is that he was sending a message to anyone able to understand it that the new Coaching Team reports to Damien Comolli.
 

Gilzeanking

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Right , I've been larging it in support of Levy . But something rather poisonous has come out of the Ramos press meeting .

On one hand we have Juande Ramos ,winner of numerous cups,shortlisted for European manager of the year, meticulous knowledge of football and players worldwide .

On the other we have a rather short businessman with zero experience of football management .

These two have EXACTLY the same say in which players we sign ( '25% each' , Commoli and A.N Other :shrug: have the other 50%)

Picture the conversation...

Juande: 'Hey Danielo we've identified a midfield enforcer we want to buy '.

Levy: 'Hang on a minute...this player is 25 , his sell-on value is not going to appreciate much . Look we've found a 15 year old right back we can get for 5 mill...Imagine how much he'll be worth in 3 years...lets get him instead '.

Juande: Que ?

I'll just put in what Juande SHOULD say : 'Look Engleesh bastardo you get the enforcer in tomorrow or I leave the club the day after'.

Why this is so poisonous is it lends creedence to the rumour that Levy was interfering in Jol'/Commoli's player choices . The baffling non signing of Petrov is rumoured to be the Board's work and after this '25%' revelation...I'm starting to believe it .

All the Spanish Levy needs to learn is...

..SI, JUANDE
 

Zammo

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Is this a wind up? Bottom line, Levy & Co have put us in an excellent position fiscally and in terms of the squad. They messed up big style with the JOL fiasco but I would not want them out of the club at this stage.
 
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So where WAS Levy at yesterday's press conference? Isn't is usual for the chairman to present a new head coach? No doubt the spin is on its way.

I think that if Levy thought Jol should go he should have done it in the summer, not start two games into this season. There's no doubt in my mind that the events since August have had a negative effect on the team and its results. Jol had a difficult set of fixtures to deal with - we only got 8 points from the same 10 games last season - and this didn't help.

Ramos has been brought in to start with Blackpool at home. This is followed by 5 league games all of which we won under Jol last season. Let's see how Wendy does.
Levi made the right decision not to go for the reason Bus-Conductor said :wink:

no doubt it has effected the team, though for me after a game or two where you can cut some slack, we should have seen some improvement in results, can't keep putting bad results down to just that incident, we have a lot more things effecting the results like poor defence that wasn't sorted game after game and players not performing up to standard etc.

the fixtures were not that bad and is not much of an excuse, Sunderland and Everton at home were VERY winnable games to kick start our season and yet we managed to lose both etc. After last seasons poor start, I can see why the board were upset, for it to repeat again and all, could see we had problems before the hotel incident ( for me it didn't start our problems as we showed we were not up to scratch before that ). Though I do think they acted a bit too early

you say we won all our next 5 league games last season , means stuff all to be honest, first no way in hell we were going to do repeat that this season with the way we are playing and our confidence is shot.

It is like people also saying we had a crap start last season and turned it around, like it is a given that it would happen again and we would still get 5th. Without thinking that this season other sides have improved and results we got last season mean nothing when the whistle goes this season.

just seems from your comments you are putting pressure on Ramos to get results in our next 5 games by saying that comment and using it as a yardstick to compare with Jol when Ramos has only just started

I don't know if it is just me, but it's just the way I read it :wink:
 
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But Ramos is coming in when the team are at a low ebb, so a direct comparison with last year's results would be unfair, though, personally I'm confident we'll do pretty well in the upcoming games.
you beat me to it, was the point I was trying to make also

will teach me for starting a post and not finishing it straight away :wink:
 
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I don't argue that they screwed up big time over Jol, they got caught in Madrid going behind his back and then leaked information, intentionally or not, that he had been sacked before he knew.

BUT if we look at the bigger picture things are not all that bad.
 

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Levy is the best chairman we've had for as long as I've been fan and he is arguably the person who has had the single most positive impact on the club in the last 15 years. However, it is clear so many people are losing sight of what ENIC is. Comments like he has the clubs best interests at heart maybe true and he may well be a Spurs fan. But i assure you he doesn't run the club with his heart, but his head. Ideally both Spurs and ENIC want the same thing. Success on the pitch means will mean an increase in value of the club. However, the fans want the quickest and most effective way of getting that success. But is that in the best interests of ENIC? The business model by which they've turned the club aroun was perfect for taking us from bottom half of the table laughing stock, to a top 6 side, but that doesn't mean it is the right model for turning us into a top 4 side. ENIC didn't do this out of the kindness of their hearts but to see the optimum return on their investment. I personally have no issue with this at all, in fact I think that kind of effecient leadership was exactly what we needed and I'm sure looking at how we've progressed over the last few years 99% of fans would be in agreement with that. But, looking at it from ENICs point of view, I'm not sure they are the type of leadership best placed to take us into the top 4. It's not out of the question, but I think it will be very difficult for us under ENIC.
 

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It's not a case of 'it's Levy's fault' or 'it's Comolli's fault' or 'it's Jol's fault'. All three have contributed to the recent situation. However, extricating Spurs from that situation was and is the responsibility of the board and upper management and they haven't done it properly.

Anyone who thinks that the press is responsible for the utter humiliation the club and its supporters have suffered over the last two months is kidding themselves. Our good name has been dragged through the mud in the last two months. Who's to blame? The press? Did they send Kemsley to Seville? Even though it was probably done in the best interests of the club, it turned into an utter shambles. That's been one of the main contributory factors in our horrific form this season. Once Jol found out that his position was under threat, he lost his own confidence and the confidence of his players. Boom! Loss after loss after loss.

Who was it who banned the Evening Standard? Regardless of whether the paper needed to be taught a lesson or not, banning it didn't teach anyone anything. In fact, it only fixed the spotlight even more firmly on WHL and our bad results did the rest.

Levy's sin (if you like) hasn't been one of scheming and plotting (although he probably does do that as probably every chairman does), but rather in not knowing how to handle the public in the form of the fans and the press. Instead of being circumspect and working behind the scenes, he has presided over the airing in public of the club's dirty laundry and the subsequent actions of the board have not mitigated things in any way. As a result of his and others inability to play the spin game properly (a must in today's game), we, the fans, have been utterly humiliated, not to mention Martin Jol.

No, Levy shouldn't be gotten rid of (even if it were possible), but he should get rid of his fool of a Communications Director, Donna Cullen, who's pathetic statements have only added fuel to the fire and enrol in a PR course, or at the very least buy a dictionary and look up the meanig of the word 'discretion'
 

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I am going to give you my take on it.

We were total shit, we got taken over. The chairman picked the fans favourite as manager, he was shit and wasted money on poor transfers.

The chairman replaced him and put a new structure in place. We had the most success we have had in about 20 years in the league. The chairman streamlined the club and made it into a fantastic business. The chairman invested HEAVILY in the team. We qualified for Europe twice but it became apparent the coach was a bit shit and the players were not reaching their potential. The chairman changed the coach and brought in someone proven who had actually won things.

What has he done wrong and how is he responsible for our position? It was the wanky manager at fault. I would like to point out to the pondlife in south lower that without the board we would be finishing 12th still with a lot worse a squad and a lot less money in the club. We also would never be dreaming of top 4 places and continued European qualification.

Thank fuck we don't have you lot on the board!
 
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