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TheHood

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Jotted down some thoughts whist in the launderette!

http://windycoys.com/2016/05/2408/

I realise that some of you will still think that it's a load of sanctimonious old muck, and that we were right to lay a few kicks on them for all of their years of conning referees, etc. But at least it gives my rationale. Sorry to those who felt I was OTT on the podcast this week - but we don't want to shy away from having opinions, even as our listenership grows - that wouldn't be right.
There was nothing remotely OTT about it, it was the correct response to the situation which was articulated in a rationale manner.

Unfortunately too many of our supporters cannot apply the standards that they apply to other clubs to their own club and will defend the club regardless of what it does.
 

glospur

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Jotted down some thoughts whist in the launderette!

http://windycoys.com/2016/05/2408/

I realise that some of you will still think that it's a load of sanctimonious old muck, and that we were right to lay a few kicks on them for all of their years of conning referees, etc. But at least it gives my rationale. Sorry to those who felt I was OTT on the podcast this week - but we don't want to shy away from having opinions, even as our listenership grows - that wouldn't be right.
Your points are well articulated, Windy, and I can kind of understand how you've come to those conclusions, I just disagree with almost all of them.

What lies at the heart of the difference of opinion between those with a similar view to you and those who share my opinion is well described in this paragraph I think:

'I was embarrassed watching us try to kick players for the last ten minutes because it felt desperate, it felt childish, and it felt like an outpouring of frustration of how the season had panned out, rather than a deliberate attempt to ‘send a message’ to Chelsea (and others) that they can’t just walk all over us any more.'

I completely disagree with this. I'm of the opinion that it was exactly what you say it wasn't and Pochettino's comments in the aftermath have only reinforced that belief.
 

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There was nothing remotely OTT about it, it was the correct response to the situation which was articulated in a rationale manner.

Unfortunately too many of our supporters cannot apply the standards that they apply to other clubs to their own club and will defend the club regardless of what it does.
Correct response? I'm not sure there is one. I respect Windy's view but both sides of this particular debate have validity.
 

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Correct response? I'm not sure there is one. I respect Windy's view but both sides of this particular debate have validity.
In what way does viewing a record PL yellow cards in a game, an FA Conduct charge (with one player banned for 6 games) and the team completely losing it's professionalism being viewed as a positive have any validity?

The reason that behaviour is being lauded is because it is being misconstrued as a resolve, as fight, as character when it is none of those traits.

I keep on hearing that it is great to finally see this in a Spurs side when in fact we have seen them all season and the irony is that we saw none of that on Monday.

All the professionalism, the determination, the character, resolve and fight disappeared, what we instead saw the Spurs of old throwing away the lead and completely being lost in the situation There is nothing to be positive unless you view poor conduct as a required trait.

Had any other side engaged in this then it would have met with a very different reaction just imagine the reaction here had it been Leicester), there has to be consistency here and there isn't.
 

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There was nothing remotely OTT about it, it was the correct response to the situation which was articulated in a rationale manner.

Unfortunately too many of our supporters cannot apply the standards that they apply to other clubs to their own club and will defend the club regardless of what it does.
Why's that unfortunate? Isn't that the very definition of 'support'?
 

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To be honest no I don't think Cesc would be hesitant and I don't think we did anything to them mentally

We did what they wanted us to do

They spent a week or two before the game playing mind games to try and evoke such a reaction and they achieved a reaction that resulting in us throwing away a 2 goal lead

I think Cesc would be delighted to see Dier foul him and get booked or even sent off again and I think he and all of Chelsea would be equally delighted if we lost our heads like that again instead of playing our best football and destroying them as the better team

If anything I'd say they beat us mentally because they successfully made the better football team lose their rag and throw away a game they should have won
Totally agree with this.

Whilst it was quite satisfying to see Dier clean Fabregas out towards the end, that's only because we'd thrown it by then and I just figured 'yeah, have that you slimeball!'.

Like most of us, It was a challenge that adequately dished out a modicum of the pain we were all suffering.

However, this idea that our heavy handed fouling has somehow given us a mental edge over Chrlsea is rubbish.

The reality is - like you say - totally the opposite.

Not only will all our opponents now see a way they can get to us but - in this particular match - Chelsea actually made us lose control.

So if one team psychologically had the upper hand then there's no doubt it was them.

Losing control isn't a good thing and at 2-0 up it was just a bit thick of us. It's certainly not something I can say I am proud of.

You know how we should have shown them we're not bothered by their bullshit?

Laughed at them.

Shown the entire watching TV audience that all their pathetic antics was going to achieve was to further shame their embarrassingly laughable season - by being ridiculed by a team 22 points above them.

Then calmly take the 3 points.

That's the takeaway here. Not some exercise in chest puffing.
 
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The last TFC pod was actually fascinating listening and I'd highly recommend that anyone who has an interest in the history of London football give it a listen.

They had some bloke who wrote a book about the history or London footballing rivalries on who has been a journalist for about 40 years and he was informative, erudite and spoke amazingly well. I could have listened to him speak about the various nuances of London football history for hours.

As someone who is not from London, it gave me a small insight into the history of the football at the place and the context in which it all happens. I highly recommend it.
 

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Only just started listening to this in a mad search for a decent Spurs podcast now the Spurs show is just moaning. It's not bad.
 

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It's definitely grown on me, but I think I've mentioned before, without sounding like a prude....I personally don't care about the swearing, although there's a bit too much of it, and it also stops me being able to listen to the podcast around my children.
I do like the banter and the podcast in general though.
 
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Really interesting listen with Rohan Ricketts this week. Love his style, intelligence and stories. The kind of guy you could definitely see a lot of the young kids in the academy relate to and respect if he is serous about becoming a coach.
 

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I'm still getting over the comment that Ricky is half Indian...

This has blown my mind, you build a picture in your head over what you think they all look like and that's about as far away from the image in my head as you can get.

Liking the show though and it's improved a lot over the past year (y)
 

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@Flav Bloody fantastic pod this week.

@CosmicHotspur you may want to have a listen if you haven't already as Cliff Jones and Rob White were both on it. And Flavs dad of course :D
Just listened to it and also have the book which I have read. Very little I didn't already know about having known Cliff and Joan for over 55 years but great to hear Cliff's voice again. I babysat for them when I was at school and kept in touch for some years. I sat alongside Joan in Al-Anon rooms (as my partner was an alcoholic too) and socialised with them. Now in Wales, I keep in touch with them through FB. Rob is also a friend on FB and knows that I knew John.

I saw Cliff and spoke to him and John as they left WHL after training on that fateful day and have posted about it elsewhere on SC. Like Cliff, it is embedded in my memory as though it was yesterday.