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Spurger King

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So, just clear up any confusion, Macc's a Lewis Hamilton fan, huh?

Well, personally, i think he's a spoiled, lippy, privileged ass-hat, but they exist in all forms of sport when someone shows more than average talent from a young age.

And lets not dick about here - he has been sat in some exceptional machinery, while some arguably as/more talented drivers like Alonso or Vettel (and reading back through this thread i hope shows how i have acknowledged Vettel's talent is down to more than his car, as i accused him of the season the RB's dominated) haven't had anything like the engine or chassis to allow them to compete. We can't really judge Hamilton as he's not found himself driving an average or under-performing motor since 2009.

At this moment, yes, he is quite possibly the "best" driver on the circuit statistically, but all said and done you cannot deny that the Mercedes Hybrids have been fathoms better than any of the other teams juice boxes.

I have a lot of respect for Hamilton as a driver, but increasingly not so much in the personality stakes. Give me Kimi passing out on a bench with a rubber dolphin any day of the week. Helps that he's some sort of deadpan genius. I secretly suspect he's actually a comedian who decided to become a great driver purely as a platform for his humour.

Back to Hamilton, one thing about him that keeps a question mark over his talent is his ever present ability to do something truly stupid. I thought he'd grow out of it, but it's always there waiting to put him into the wall again.

Really hope Mercedes bring in a racer rather than a stooge. Even someone like Perez would be good. Ideally, stick Hamilton in the same car as Vettel or Verstappen, but that ain't happening.
 

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Verstappen is too much of a risk - he's a bizarre combination of an obvious talent and an almost complete lack of self preservation. Love it.

He's got the bottle of a medieval knight, he's the first driver to make my toes curl up while he's overtaking, most often to see him pull it off tho (unlike Grosjean, Maldonado the clown prince, or that Japanese lad from a few seasons ago who used to drift around corners). He's clearly a very well set up lad for winning races, but unless he can iron out his animal streak i doubt the likes of Mercedes will be looking at him. He's much more in the vein of the classic Ferrari drivers, imo.
 

Spurger King

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Verstappen is too much of a risk - he's a bizarre combination of an obvious talent and an almost complete lack of self preservation. Love it.

He's got the bottle of a medieval knight, he's the first driver to make my toes curl up while he's overtaking, most often to see him pull it off tho (unlike Grosjean, Maldonado the clown prince, or that Japanese lad from a few seasons ago who used to drift around corners). He's clearly a very well set up lad for winning races, but unless he can iron out his animal streak i doubt the likes of Mercedes will be looking at him. He's much more in the vein of the classic Ferrari drivers, imo.

Verstappen is certainly a live wire. Didn't really like him initially. Mainly out of pure jealousy. Yet he's slowly turned me into a fan.

There are shades of Kobayashi, but Verstappen just seems to have an edge that goes with his bat shit looney tunes moments. Seems to indicate a creative and determined mind, which is a great combination for an F1 driver. Hamilton is in a great position of power now, and would never let someone like that become his teammate.

I think realistic drivers would be Perez or Bottas. I'd love to see either in a Mercedes (assuming Mercedes are still top dog next season after the next set of rule changes). Or just give Kimi one last chance of glory, just for me!

Something about Perez that really impresses me. I remember him doing a 'Jim Clark' and baffling the paddock by preserving his tyres when nobody else could. He's quietly excelled in an average car.

Bottas just has 'it'. I think that's obvious. Fairly quiet season this time around, but he's the kind of guy I could see excelling in surprising ways if given a genuinely good car.
 

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@MaccSpurs I'm not going to go through your various replies one by one, as I don't think most of them are worth replying to. Fair to say that I completely disagree with your views on this. Even more so after the above reply.

You stating something doesn't make it true. He's a deserved champion in my opinion, so your opinion isn't going to be enough to sway me!

As for The Malaysian Grand Prix, you'd need to be a clairvoyant to know that would have been the difference. Ever heard of the butterfly effect? Do you think if the points were closer that Rosberg would have been so complacent for the rest of the season, or that Hamilton would have been as relaxed? They would have been completely different races, and Rosberg had already beaten Hamilton in a straight fight in previous races.

Bit of a disingenuous interpretation of my Brazil remark. Anyone would know it's determined by the whole season, but that was a standout performance under huge pressure. It's a shame you can't seem to appreciate that, or his achievement this season. Up against a better driver, he still out qualified him on several occasions, and finished ahead of him enough times to pick up the most points. Hardly Schumacher and Barrichello.

As for the moaning and crying...they both did it. Most drivers do. They've both acted like spoilt children vying for the attention of mummy and daddy.

Schumacher and Vettel got booed too. So did Senna and Prost. Rosberg isn't as good as any of that lot, but he's certainly not as bad as you make him out to be.

Don't mistake me for some Rosberg fanboy. He was brought up in the lap of luxury, and got a free ticket into F1 because of a famous relative. Bruno Senna did too, but he couldn't cut it despite all the advantages that went his way. Rosberg ticked one of the most important boxes in F1 by being consistent. Very few fall into that category. Even fewer fall into the category of consistent and aggressively good, but Rosberg's teammate does and Rosberg still won the title. You may think he's average, but you couldn't possibly say he didn't make the very most of his abilities this season.

A deserved title winner.

Everything you said above is totally wrong and inaccurate. My point stands so thank you for reemphasising it.
 

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Nope, I'm a racing fan and Hamilton, whether you like it or not, is currently the best one on the circuit today.

...in your opinion, while in that Mercedes and everyone else in their respective contraptions. Yes.

There's got to be a way though to decide who is the "best" driver over, i dunno, a couple of dozen races or something? Maybe give them some sort of score for where they finish and at the end of all the races... oh yeah, that's right, there is, it's called the F1 World Drivers Championship and it appears that when you weigh up tactics, luck, engineering, state of mind, weather and the billions of other factors that decide the outcomes of races, Hamilton was only second best.

But you say otherwise? Well... i dunno, i think you're going to have to duke it out with the FIA.

Regardless - Fernando Alonso was for some years what i would consider the best driver in a stinker of a car which was physically unable to keep up with Ferrari & Merc - sure, i won't argue that Lewis isn't at least up there with the likes of Kimi, Alonso & Vettel, but i wouldn't put my neck out so far as to say he's better than any of them, simply because of the absolute chasm in class between the Merc power plant and the rest of the field right now. But that's the way of modern F1 - a team innovates a way to build and keeps it secret for a season, dominates with it, while the real competition happens for 3rd - 6th, which in turn dilutes the points won by four drivers slugging it out in more evenly matched cars.

Happens every year.
 

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Well, consider my flabber ghasted... actually, no, i'm just sitting here laughing like a drain.

@MaccSpurs has messaged me privately, and blocked me so i have no right to reply - dunno if he'll see that i've tagged him, but he's accidentally sent it to me and not continued the debate in this thread, so i figure what the hell, i'd share and you lot can then discuss his frankly creepy levels of research just to prove that he has an opinion :eek:

MaccSpurs said:
I said at the start of the season I would block people on here that wish to remain ignorant as I can't be bothered to educate them. I've not had to do it as many times as I thought but you are about to be another :)

In regards to Hamilton it's not my opinion. It is indeed, as I have stated and you will accept, fact.

Let me try and simplify it for you because F1 is a technical sport and clearly from your posts you don't understand it. Leicester won the Premiership last year so they are the greatest team ever right?. Who cares about Liverpool's dominance of the 70's and the Man Utd Fergie years. It means nothing because Leicester are champions! LOL

You know, the current champions who are struggling this year and on the verge of being drawn into a relegation battle.

Let’s translate that into something you can understand in F1. Consider Rosberg like Leicester.

Hamilton is like the likes of Man Utd, Liverpool and the likes. Sure Alonso was a top driver but not anymore. Those days are long gone. As for Vettel. He is no better than Rosberg and just benefited from being in the best team for a few seasons. They are not racing drivers in the same way as Senna, Mansell, Hamilton, Ricardo etc.

Regardless of all of that…

You want research. Sure, but you are going to have to do it yourself because it's all out there and easily found. Just look at Hamilton vs his team mates since 2007. He dominates them. This is Alonso, Button and Rosberg.

Let's look at this season alone.

Most Poles: Hamilton (12)
Most Wins: Hamilton (10)
Most Podiums: Hamilton (17)

He lost by 5 points. Just 5 points and that was out of his hands and due to car failure when he was WINNING the race and would have won. Therefore, would have been world champion.

Yet you still think this is opinion? LOL

I think what John Cleese said is perfect here just before I block you.

“The problem with people like this is that they are so stupid,” explains Monty Python’s John Cleese, “they have no idea how stupid they are.”.

So... yeah. I've not actually read it all because i mean, what's the point if he's not going to see it? I'd just hate to think his forgetting to post it here would let the topic die before anyone else has their say (y)

If, however, he can see this - in answer to this part:

Yet you still think this is opinion? LOL

Yes. Yes, i do.

Chin chin, old bean x
 

Spurger King

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Well, consider my flabber ghasted... actually, no, i'm just sitting here laughing like a drain.

@MaccSpurs has messaged me privately, and blocked me so i have no right to reply - dunno if he'll see that i've tagged him, but he's accidentally sent it to me and not continued the debate in this thread, so i figure what the hell, i'd share and you lot can then discuss his frankly creepy levels of research just to prove that he has an opinion :eek:



So... yeah. I've not actually read it all because i mean, what's the point if he's not going to see it? I'd just hate to think his forgetting to post it here would let the topic die before anyone else has their say (y)

If, however, he can see this - in answer to this part:



Yes. Yes, i do.

Chin chin, old bean x

He sent me a message too, and also blocked me.

Conversation title was 'Ignorant'. Didn't read the message, but assumed it was an apology of some sort.
 

Rocksuperstar

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He sent me a message too, and also blocked me.

Conversation title was 'Ignorant'. Didn't read the message, but assumed it was an apology of some sort.

Same, maybe it's a code? I've tried out his wall - i can post on that, seems a bit of a laugh if that's a loop hole :D
 

MaccSpurs

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No its opinion, so you can stop with this aggressive my opinion is fact and you are wrong stance if you want to keep posting in here

Firstly, I'm never aggressive so this is just your opinion.

Secondly, it means I can't point our facts like you misspelling December on the vs Swansea banner you created but then that is only my opinion right? ;)
 

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Firstly, I'm never aggressive so this is just your opinion.

Secondly, it means I can't point our facts like you misspelling December on the vs Swansea banner you created but then that is only my opinion right? ;)

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