The Kaboul thread

[Pringle]

Do you think Laurent Blanc would have capped him recently for France if he were rubbish?
I think I'll go with Blanc here and keep him thank you.

I agree with most that Kaboul is good but i disagree with this point to back it up. Playing for your country no matter who they are does not mean you are a top player. We had Gilberto whilst he was playing for Brazil and we all know about him!!! France are not exactly blessed with top CBs at the moment either.

 

[chrissivad]

Agreed! Reason i prefer King and Dawson compared to King and Gallas is that they are both so different yet compliment each other so well. King and Gallas are both fairly similar where as Dawson is a very old school "no nonsense" type of CB who loves a challenge. As a pairing I think they are great together

its why i wanted to see Woodgate and King at CB more, as I think it would be like the King Dawson partnership but better! :hump:

With Dawson maturing and taking charge at the back (even when King was playing) he seems much better when he plays with Kaboul as well.

Caulker always gets great reviews where ever he goes as well, so CB isn't a problem for us just now.

 

[Pringle]

its why i wanted to see Woodgate and King at CB more, as I think it would be like the King Dawson partnership but better! :hump:

With Dawson maturing and taking charge at the back (even when King was playing) he seems much better when he plays with Kaboul as well.

Caulker always gets great reviews where ever he goes as well, so CB isn't a problem for us just now.

Totally agree

 

[ThorntonSpur]

I think you are confusing different issues. Kaboul does not have poor positional sense at CB but he can be a little rash at times. This means that he can fall out of position when he has that rush of blood to the head. However, normally he has very good positional sense hence why he wins lots of headers. If he had poor positional sense then he would make far more mistakes then he actually does. Yes, he has a temperament issue at times but that can be rectified.

You may disagree but I think it would be better if you would weigh up his strengths against his weakness. I think you will find that his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.

now thats what i call a defence 0f the big man and not worrying about the score which was a bit of a laugh but obviously got to some people(BTW its 3-3 now)

in what i have seen of him in matches i have attended what you say is probaly more to the mark in using the word rash. yes he wins a lot of headers and to do that you need to be in the right place.

i dont think anyone has mentioned what is his best attribute to the team when he plays which is set pieces.

i still think we have better players though

 

[ThorntonSpur]

The following paragraphs will counter your argument about Kaboul with exactly the same amount of facts used to back it up as you have utilised:

I have always rated him and think he is a good footballer with good distribution good reading of the game and very good positional sense.

so can all you kaboul haters please explain why you wouldn't keep him.

yes he is good in the air, yes he scored the winner at the new highbury and yes he has played for france (Gerard Pique playes for Spain!!!) i cannot see anything to sell him. he is a leader of men he is a great tackler he is exactly my cup of tea.

so come on and persuade me of all his faults and why he should be sold to PSG or anywhere else.

SC turns it around and thronton spur loses 3-2, woohoo :dance:

Why should anyone bother to formulate a good defence of him when you haven't bothered to put together a decent atack of him. "i dont think he iz good" is hardly a sound argument.

quality mate quality - the idea was to start a discussion about a player who is the majority favourite and point out IMO his faults and for people to say why he should not be sold but the majority got hung up on the fact i did a lttl=e scoring for a laugh this casued mayhem for many - its now 3-4 im losing

 

[roosh]

no it hasnt the poor arguement in his defence up to that point put me one up

what surprises me is that people see him as a RB with his poor positonal sense. I can see him as back up at CB where people can cover for his lack of this positional awareness. King dawson gallas are clearly ahead of him as will the new boy when he comes in.

i hope im wrong but if people would have him as starting in the back four then IMHO we are in for a struggle.

the thing is, you are assuming there is a need to defend him, there isn't, his quality speaks for itself.

again, I would question whether your opinion is coloured by his appearances last sesaon where he was returning from injury, and was not at full fitness. When he came in the season before at right back, he was fantastic.

Now, you say that King, Gallas and Dawson are clearly ahead of him, but there are some important points to take into consideration, namely, the fact that King cannot be relied upon to remain fit for the entire season; in fact, relying on him at all is not wise. Any games we can get out of him are a bonus, but for that reason you can't really say that he is ahead of Kaboul - because for large parts of the season he isn't.

Gallas is ahead of him, but that is because Gallas is an outstanding player. He, however, is getting old (in footballing terms), and again, relying on him to remain fit for the entire season is probably not very wise. Kaboul is a very able replacement for him, and with this possibly being Gallas's last season - more than likely his last season as automatic starter - then in Kaboul we have a very, very able replacement.

We need more options at centre back, or more pointedly, more experienced options - King can't be relied on, Gallas is nearing retirement, Bassong doesn't look like he'll make the cut. So, instead of getting rid of Kaboul, we should be holding onto him and adding an experienced CB to provide genuine competition.

 

[mike_l]

quality mate quality - the idea was to start a discussion about a player who is the majority favourite and point out IMO his faults and for people to say why he should not be sold but the majority got hung up on the fact i did a lttl=e scoring for a laugh this casued mayhem for many - its now 3-4 im losing

Personally I think Kaboul is quality, I disagree with what you hve chosen as his faults, I do agree with you that he isn't a right back. The idea that he is good there I think has been propagated by those who dislike Corluka as they think he is too slow, Kaboul is faster than Corluka and a better defender than Hutton so in their eyes he is a quality right back.

Out of our current lot I would like to see him and Dawson as our main pairing with King playing when possible. I'm somewhat disappointed that Gallas has been given a 2 year deal by us, I think the only way is down for him at this stage but doubt Redknapp will drop himm when his performances do decline. He isalso not the type to simply get on with it were he to be dropped on merit, I believe he would sulk like Keane and become a disruptive influence.

I'm also less impressed than many seem to be by his contribution last season, based solely on stats he contributed to a worse defensive record than the previous season where Bassong was the main partner to Dawson. I'm not naive to the fact that this is partly due to the change from mainly playing Hudd/Palacios in cm the year before to playing Modric and one other last year.

My main point is that of all our defenders, Kaboul is far from the 1st we should be getting shot of, hopefully he will get a sustained run at cb to allow him to iron out the flaws he does have.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Our best centre back in the air. Our fastest centre back after a fully fit King. Strong, aggressive and committed. Good tackler. Able to bring the ball out of defence. A threat from set pieces. Good on the left or right side of centre. Almost never outfoxed by trickery.

 

[specspurs]

I agree with most that Kaboul is good but i disagree with this point to back it up. Playing for your country no matter who they are does not mean you are a top player. We had Gilberto whilst he was playing for Brazil and we all know about him!!! France are not exactly blessed with top CBs at the moment either.

Really!
So you don't think Laurent Blanc knows more about centre backs than you or I?
Also,many on this site use (and I can't remember if you were included) international form to justify themselves over potential purchases. I'm sure somebody on this site will argue that Dos Santos should stay after the wonder goal in the Gold Cup Final,if they haven't already.
Anyway,at least we both argee that Kaboul should stay.
The reasons why are perfectly put by BBLG above.

 

[Pringle]

specspurs - of course Blance knows more than me and you! However you can only pick from the group you have and France are not blessed with CBs these days so thats not a great way of looking at it. Is Ameobi better than Berbatov? Ameobi was picked for more games!! (the point i am making is, you are not suddenly a top player if you are picked - it depends who your competition is).

Many are saying GDS should be picked because of his gold cup goal but i disagree with that - I judge it on the bigger picture and 1 goal/game doesnt mean much to me. Kaboul is a good player but whether or not Blanc picks him does not affect my opinion on him.

 

[specspurs]

specspurs - of course Blance knows more than me and you! However you can only pick from the group you have and France are not blessed with CBs these days so thats not a great way of looking at it. Is Ameobi better than Berbatov? Ameobi was picked for more games!! (the point i am making is, you are not suddenly a top player if you are picked - it depends who your competition is).

Many are saying GDS should be picked because of his gold cup goal but i disagree with that - I judge it on the bigger picture and 1 goal/game doesnt mean much to me. Kaboul is a good player but whether or not Blanc picks him does not affect my opinion on him.

Good point. Well made.

 

[Maske2g]

Good centre half, horrid right back. Cumbersome in possession, and lazy.

Great physique for a centre half too, and fast.

I think we're heavy on right side centre halves and wouldn't scoff at 12 mill for him if we really are interested in Cahill.

 

[mike_l]

Good centre half, horrid right back. Cumbersome in possession, and lazy.

Great physique for a centre half too, and fast.

I think we're heavy on right side centre halves and wouldn't scoff at 12 mill for him if we really are interested in Cahill.

Isn't he right sided also? On top of being inferior to Kaboul in every department aside from Englishness.

 

[alex3]

YounsKabs4 younes kaboul
Hi all,once again all you can hear from anywhere its wrong...The truth is here

 

[Pringle]

eh?

 

[Maske2g]

Isn't he right sided also? On top of being inferior to Kaboul in every department aside from Englishness.

Don't watch enough Bolton know. I just I wouldn't buy another while we still have so many.

 

[chrissivad]

http://twitter.com/#!/Younes_Kaboul

thats Kaboul's Twitter account, its linked from his website

 

[Dharmabum]

My main concern with Kaboul is his fitness, he seem rather injury prone and rarely last most than 2 months before he's out for a month.
I wouldn't mind swapping him plus some cash for PSG's Sakho.

 

[Kyras]

His profile photo on twitter.

Regarding his footballing ability, personally I've always thought he's got the potential to be a cracking defender, all the attributes you would need and when he has a run he does iron out the mistakes. Potent in front of goal too; always a bonus.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Kaboul is top class.

Kabooooooooooooooooooom