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* The "Kendall Lurvs Heurelho Gomes" Thread *

Bobishism

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I agree. I don't know why Redknapp hasn't found a place for him on the bench but perhaps sending him to Ipswich to play under Keane may have helped sort him out, his performances for Mexico have certainly improved, with him scoring all 4 of his international goals in the last 2 months.

I don't expect him to go now, hopefully he has some form of pre season with us and Redknapp finds a place on the bench for him.

You've certainly changed your tune regarding Giovani. Thought he wasn't good enough full stop?

Only kidding.

Also Modric and Gomes.
 

Kendall

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His recent performances have impressed me. I never agreed with those calling for him to play though :-D

Gomes - He was an absolute clown, a joke of a player until Parks came in. He's completely changed his game to the point where he's not that same keeper that was at PSV that I predicted would get found out in the PL... he needed to.

Modric - Redknapp putting him out on the left was a masterstroke.
 

Coyboy

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His recent performances have impressed me. I never agreed with those calling for him to play though :-D

Gomes - He was an absolute clown, a joke of a player until Parks came in. He's completely changed his game to the point where he's not that same keeper that was at PSV that I predicted would get found out in the PL... he needed to.

Modric - Redknapp putting him out on the left was a masterstroke.

That simply isn't true.
 

Kendall

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I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one, don't make me list all those goals he should've stopped early in the season again :lol:
 

Bobishism

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As it happens I agree with Kendall. Gomes was a joke for the first half of the season. Whether it was Redknapp or Parks that helped him turn it around I don't know but for sure he would have been out the door if that hadn't been remedied.

He started making mistakes during the arsenal game, where 2 goals were directly accountable to him. He then made a few more mistakes. It certainly wasn't the first half of the season, maybe 6 - 8 games. And some of the mistakes were arguably a fault of a shoddy defensive situation.
 

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His recent performances have impressed me. I never agreed with those calling for him to play though :-D

Gomes - He was an absolute clown, a joke of a player until Parks came in. He's completely changed his game to the point where he's not that same keeper that was at PSV that I predicted would get found out in the PL... he needed to.

Modric - Redknapp putting him out on the left was a masterstroke.


I am sorry mate but your perception of Gomes was a fucking country mile out. He was adored by PSV fans because, like some of us, they could see that whatever he cost them he earnt them back 5 fold.

Your inability to see past that smooth talking clown Hanson's appraisal let you down.

You don't become a great keeper all of a sudden because Tony Parks spends tuesday morning teaching you how to say "get out of the way Corluka".
 

yanno

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I am sorry mate but your perception of Gomes was a fucking country mile out. He was adored by PSV fans because, like some of us, they could see that whatever he cost them he earnt them back 5 fold.

Yup. Gomes' performance against Stoke away was a truly courageous piece of goalkeeping.

He will make mistakes, but he'll also snuff out opposition attacks purely through his aggressive decision-making.

Also, whilst most top keepers have very good reflexes, some of the reaction saves Gomes pulls off are simply astonishing.

You don't become a great keeper all of a sudden because Tony Parks spends tuesday morning teaching you how to say "get out of the way Corluka".

I think Tone needs to start coaching Kyle Naughton to get out of the way - he nearly got clobbered a couple of times at Wembley. You could tell young Kyle just wasn't used to playing with a Grobelaar-style keeper....
 

yanno

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Please, don't mention Grobelaar and Gomes in the same sentance. Now there was a clown.

Brucie deserves his legendary status just for bashing Hansen and Lawrenson so many times.

Now, there's a couple of CBs who learnt to get miles out of the way whenever a ball came into the box and Grobelaar got that glint in his crazy Zimbabwean eyes...

Anyway, back on topic, I wonder if Gio's having a brief holiday whilst the rest of the squad are in China?

If Gio doesn't go to China, he will have only possible pre-season match for us - against Olympiakos.
 

Kendall

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I am sorry mate but your perception of Gomes was a fucking country mile out. He was adored by PSV fans because, like some of us, they could see that whatever he cost them he earnt them back 5 fold.

Your inability to see past that smooth talking clown Hanson's appraisal let you down.

You don't become a great keeper all of a sudden because Tony Parks spends tuesday morning teaching you how to say "get out of the way Corluka".

Sorry BC, we won't agree on this I'm afraid. I did say Gomes was too irratic and would get found out before he signed with us and for the first 5 months he was, and needed to change the way he played and fast - he has even given credit to Parks saying as much.

It has nothing to do with Hansen, more my own two eyes seeing him:

* Dive over an Ashley Young shot against Villa, gifting them a goal
* Almost gift them another goal with a weak slap from a corner
* Knocking out out CB by smashing him not once, but twice
* Messing up a routine backpass and giving away a penalty against Udinese
* Gifting Arsenal 2 goals
* Selling King short with weak pass, letting in Gerrard for the chip which he was lucky hit the bar, essentially almost giving them a 2nd goal and killing the game
* Palming the ball into his own net against Fulham


These are off the top of my head, but there are more.
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Kendall

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Brucie deserves his legendary status just for bashing Hansen and Lawrenson so many times.

Now, there's a couple of CBs who learnt to get miles out of the way whenever a ball came into the box and Grobelaar got that glint in his crazy Zimbabwean eyes...

Anyway, back on topic, I wonder if Gio's having a brief holiday whilst the rest of the squad are in China?

If Gio doesn't go to China, he will have only possible pre-season match for us - against Olympiakos.

That's what I was thinking and no pre season will probably equal very little playing time
 

Coyboy

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King is the best centre back in the country. Sorry but when you're as good as he is and as experienced as he is, then the rules are slightly different. Young players who are less important (as results suggest) need to be disciplined.

Sorry BC, we won't agree on this I'm afraid. I did say Gomes was too irratic and would get found out before he signed with us and for the first 5 months he was, and needed to change the way he played and fast - he has even given credit to Parks saying as much.

It has nothing to do with Hansen, more my own two eyes seeing him:

* Dive over an Ashley Young shot against Villa, gifting them a goal
* Almost gift them another goal with a weak slap from a corner
* Knocking out out CB by smashing him not once, but twice
* Messing up a routine backpass and giving away a penalty against Udinese
* Gifting Arsenal 2 goals
* Selling King short with weak pass, letting in Gerrard for the chip which he was lucky hit the bar, essentially almost giving them a 2nd goal and killing the game
* Palming the ball into his own net against Fulham


These are off the top of my head, but there are more.
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What you don't seem to get because you are too intent on saying 'I told you so' is that in pretty much every one of those games he also showed more often that the odd mistake what a class and brave keeper he is. You don't suddenly become that because Tony Parks comes in, and you don't win Championships with PSV by being a clown, or garner the praise and adulation of their fans or knock us out of the UEFA with some magnificent saves and proactive swallowing up of balls if you pardon the expression.

Not only was he new to this country and its culture of crossing, but he was playing in a struggling team and then picked up a painful rib injury through which he played at Stoke to deliver a stunningly brave and effective counteract to Delap- better than those oh so reliable and better keepers like Howard and Almunia have done.

Tony Parks definitely had an effect but to make out he sent Gomes into a telephone booth and then suddenly he went from hero to zero is simplistic and naive, and shows you just watch the tabloid moments of football games and not the whole ninety minutes.
 

Kendall

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That's not what I'm saying or said. ay back when he signed I said he was a good shot stopper, but was way too erratic for the Prem and would concede stupid goals. That happened. In my opinion he was a daft/erratic liability because of this conduct, but didn't doubt his natural ability as a stopper. It seems now that Parks has calmed him down and he's now being less hot headed.

I'm not saying he was a totally shit keeper with absolutely no good attributes, but I always felt that he would need to change his style to succeed and he has credited Parks with aiding this.

I still believe he was a mad, mental, crazy joke when he first came here and his critics were justified in his ripping.
 

Coyboy

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That's not what I'm saying or said. ay back when he signed I said he was a good shot stopper, but was way too erratic for the Prem and would concede stupid goals. That happened. In my opinion he was a daft/erratic liability because of this conduct, but didn't doubt his natural ability as a stopper. It seems now that Parks has calmed him down and he's now being less hot headed.

I'm not saying he was a totally shit keeper with absolutely no good attributes, but I always felt that he would need to change his style to succeed and he has credited Parks with aiding this.

I still believe he was a mad, mental, crazy joke when he first came here and his critics were justified in his ripping.

Really? Those who said he was the worst keeper ever the Premiership and then some? I don't see how someone who is 'mad, mental, crazy joke and a clown' have good attributes and be a good shot stopper. That is self contradictory.

Yes he did concede some goals he should have stopped but name me one keeper who hasn't let in a goal like Young's, who hasn't missed a cross, who hasn't palmed a shot out straight to a striker. These were mistakes but within the same games he was performing very well. You may have predicted he would be too erratic, well he has proved not to be and as good and effective as the coaching may have been, he never lost his quality.

You harp on about Spurs fan's alleged shit support and then jump on the tabloid bandwagon as soon as someone struggles or makes a few conspicuous mistakes. The idea that Gomes is/was/used to be/sometimes is a great stopper and that's it is just cliched. He is as good at being proactive and coming for balls when other keepers would be more timid. Say what you want about his style, but he was within one game of breaking a Spurs record.
 

Kendall

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I didn't jump on the bandwagon, it was mine to begin with.

Look, we're not going to agree on this, I've posted about this for months and I can't be bothered to go into it again. I think he was woeful and he cost us stupid goals in the early part of his career, as I thought he might. Fortunately he's looking a lot calmer now.
 

Coyboy

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Fine but I think if you get the chance to watch games again without the contemporary emotion you will see he is not half as bad as you make out and that such a Jekyll and Hyde turnaround isn't quite what happened. It's always more complicated than that, just like O'Hara hasn't gone from 'dog poo' to Man of the Match class unless Parks has waved his wand at him too...
 

Kendall

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No O'Hara is one of those players, like Hudd, who will have an awesome game amongst many very average games.
 

Coyboy

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Very average (how can something be very average anyway)='dog poo' and the subsequent insults- not necessarily referring to you Kendall.
 

Kendall

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You should be an English teacher mate, it suits you.

I didn't realise I was supposed to be submitting work here :lol:
 
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