The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

[LexingtonSpurs]

The best bit is it took just 90 mins for the consensus to go from

"fucking outrageous we haven't signed a RB, someone needs to pay for this clusterfuck"

to

"no need. Save £25m and put it towards positions where it's needed".

Never change, SC

Really the same as two seasons ago when Dier started at CM - same type of reactions pre-and post-match.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Problem is that when you sign a new player especially this late in the window is that they won't be up to par and always playing catch up with the squad as far as the philosophy and fitness is concerned and of course there's no guarantee that the new player will be better than what we currently have, I mean it's not as he's going to be up to the level of Kyle Walker anyway.

Indeed. Hence my frustration that we sold Walker without lining up a replacement first. Others will argue that it's not that easy, or that KWP is the replacement. I just disagree with both of those perspectives. Onions.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Making KWP 3rd choice RB is not going to help his development. It also sends a wrong signal to our other youngsters who believe that Poch has created a meritocracy.

Plenty of games mate. He could also fill in at LB.
In addition, I just don't rate Trippier. Probably a minority viewpoint but there you go.

 

[JayB]

Plenty of games mate. He could also fill in at LB.
In addition, I just don't rate Trippier. Probably a minority viewpoint but there you go.

I tend to agree, particularly that Trippier isn't good enough for the CL or matches against the rest of the top six, but I think at this point it's unlikely that we'll bring anyone in.

It would send a bizarre message to KWP and the rest of our academy lads for KWP to be relegated to third choice after having been MOTM in his debut, not to mention take a considerable chunk of our limited transfer kitty.

We'll just have to hope that KWP is up to the challenge and that Poch is able to coax the same kind of improvement out of Trippier that he's managed with Walker, Rose, Davies and the fullbacks he coached at Southampton.

 

[Ben1]

I tend to agree, particularly that Trippier isn't good enough for the CL or matches against the rest of the top six, but I think at this point it's unlikely that we'll bring anyone in.

It would send a bizarre message to KWP and the rest of our academy lads for KWP to be relegated to third choice after having been MOTM in his debut, not to mention take a considerable chunk of our limited transfer kitty.

We'll just have to hope that KWP is up to the challenge and that Poch is able to coax the same kind of improvement out of Trippier that he's managed with Walker, Rose, Davies and the fullbacks he coached at Southampton.

I agree with almost all of this. It's neither KWP or Trippier that people have a problem with, in fact they are both potentially good enough. Its the combination of the two that concerns people I think. Problem is we are comparing our full backs to the last few years and the combination of Walker/Trippier and Rose/Davies was pretty much perfect regarding standard of play and mix of styles.

 

[1882andallthat]

For me, don't buy a RB now. KWP to be Trippier's deputy.

He's had a good debut, and we've got him on a long contract already but I'm not convinced about taking the gamble of having him as the only proper RWB option to step in when Trippier is unavailable.

Yes we have a different RB cover option in Dier.

Do we know roughly how long Trippier will be unavailable for ?
Lets look at the four current and previous left and right wing back options we have or had very recently. Every one of them was either sent out on loan to learn their trade, or had previous experience at this level already.

It would be a huge unnecessary risk and it could backfire badly by putting too much on his plate too early, what if he has a few mares against quality opposition in the Prem or Champs league because Trippier is unvavailable for longer than we'd anticipated, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened re estimated comeback times. It could adversely set him back, on the flipside we could get lucky and it could pay off.
We have the money available from the Walker sale to buy a more immediate RWB option.

I'd favour buying a RWB option in the next two weeks and sending out KWP on loan to a lower tier Premier League side, if he cuts it well there then we have advanced another great addition when we move into our new stadium, if he makes a few tactical mistakes along the way while he's learning on loan, it won't affect us.

 

[danielneeds]

He's had a good debut, and we've got him on a long contract already but I'm not convinced about taking the gamble of having him as the only proper RWB option to step in when Trippier is unavailable.

Yes we have a different RB cover option in Dier.

Do we know roughly how long Trippier will be unavailable for ?
Lets look at the four current and previous left and right wing back options we have or had very recently. Every one of them was either sent out on loan to learn their trade, or had previous experience at this level already.

It would be a huge unnecessary risk and it could backfire badly by putting too much on his plate too early, what if he has a few mares against quality opposition in the Prem or Champs league because Trippier is unvavailable for longer than we'd anticipated, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened re estimated comeback times. It could adversely set him back, on the flipside we could get lucky and it could pay off.
We have the money available from the Walker sale to buy a more immediate RWB option.

I'd favour buying a RWB option in the next two weeks and sending out KWP on loan to a lower tier Premier League side, if he cuts it well there then we have advanced another great addition when we move into our new stadium, if he makes a few tactical mistakes along the way while he's learning on loan, it won't affect us.

Unless we buy a PL experienced player then all of the risks you've associated with KWP are equally relevant to a new signing.

If we sign Perreira or Toljan, for instance, experience shows that many imports, particularly younger ones, need time to adapt. The Wenger adage is usually don't judge them until 6 months in.

KWP has been training with the first team for over a year - he knows the system, the trigger movements, the time is now.

 

[Shadydan]

Unless we buy a PL experienced player then all of the risks you've associated with KWP are equally relevant to a new signing.

If we sign Perreira or Toljan, for instance, experience shows that many imports, particularly younger ones, need time to adapt. The Wenger adage is usually don't judge them until 6 months in.

KWP has been training with he first team for over a year - he knows the system, the trigger movements, the time is now.

Spot on, buying isn't always the answer especially when there are question marks over the player you're bringing in, I suspect people just think that buying a player and spending money automatically thinks it's an upgrade but that isn't always the case.

 

[Mr Pink]

I was really impressed with his debut, a mature and disciplined performance. I'm sure there's more to come from him.in.the attacking sense.

Tripper is fantastic in the attacking sense but I think this kid looks better defensively, in time he could be our number one.

We definitely don't need to be buying another RB imo.

 

[ravo]

I didn't expect to be saying this, but I also don't think we need another RB (unless Trippier's injury is worse than first thought). KT and KWP with Dier as back-up should be fine for this year, esp. with another CB seemingly close to joining.

Also, def. a back three (with Dier) and KWP as RWB for Chelsea.

 

[danielneeds]

I was really impressed with his debut, a mature and disciplined performance. I'm sure there's more to come from him.in.the attacking sense.

Tripper is fantastic in the attacking sense but I think this kid looks better defensively, in time he could be our number one.

We definitely don't need to be buying another RB imo.

He's definitely being a little conservative in attacking areas, but hopefully the MOTM will fill him with confidence.

He also won't have someone as quick as Atsu doubling up on him every week too.

 

[Norn_Iron]

A really good read on him from the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rs-tottenham-pochettino-spurs-debut-newcastle

 

[1882andallthat]

Unless we buy a PL experienced player then all of the risks you've associated with KWP are equally relevant to a new signing.

If we sign Perreira or Toljan, for instance, experience shows that many imports, particularly younger ones, need time to adapt. The Wenger adage is usually don't judge them until 6 months in.

KWP has been training with the first team for over a year - he knows the system, the trigger movements, the time is now.

You make some good arguments in relation to what you have said about signing someone from overseas who is young and unproven here, if we don't sign another RWB I sincerely hope you prove me wrong over time, and time will truly answer this I.e. that my doubts about KWP being ready to step up were unnecessarily cautious and exaggerated, but at this stage I'm still not fully convinced.

It's healthy to have different opinions but I'd like to think that we both agree that this strategy you are opting for is not without some risk.

 

[spurs9]

I can't speak for others but I haven't changed my mind. KWP did well yesterday but I still think we need to buy a RB.

Who?

 

[spurs9]

I was really impressed with his debut, a mature and disciplined performance. I'm sure there's more to come from him.in.the attacking sense.

Tripper is fantastic in the attacking sense but I think this kid looks better defensively, in time he could be our number one.

We definitely don't need to be buying another RB imo.

There certainly is, for the youth teams he is very attack minded and a great dribbler, and his crossing ability is already better than Walkers, though some way off Trippier's (obviously).

Defensive side has always been where the question marks have been, most due to his lack of physicality, but he is improving. In the FA youth cup a few years back we were 2-0 up from the first leg against Chelsea, so in the 2nd leg, Chelsea one of there most physically opposing players (Solanke if memory serves) on KWP all game and just targeted the physical miss-match. Chelsea won that tie 5-2 (5-4 on agg) but our youth coaches never changed things up and KWP would have learnt a lot in that game and if I recall, about 2/3 of the the way through the game, started to be able deal with the miss-match and nullified the that threat, but it was too late.

 

[Bulletspur]

He's had a good debut, and we've got him on a long contract already but I'm not convinced about taking the gamble of having him as the only proper RWB option to step in when Trippier is unavailable.

Yes we have a different RB cover option in Dier.

Do we know roughly how long Trippier will be unavailable for ?
Lets look at the four current and previous left and right wing back options we have or had very recently. Every one of them was either sent out on loan to learn their trade, or had previous experience at this level already.

It would be a huge unnecessary risk and it could backfire badly by putting too much on his plate too early, what if he has a few mares against quality opposition in the Prem or Champs league because Trippier is unvavailable for longer than we'd anticipated, it wouldn't be the first time this has happened re estimated comeback times. It could adversely set him back, on the flipside we could get lucky and it could pay off.
We have the money available from the Walker sale to buy a more immediate RWB option.

I'd favour buying a RWB option in the next two weeks and sending out KWP on loan to a lower tier Premier League side, if he cuts it well there then we have advanced another great addition when we move into our new stadium, if he makes a few tactical mistakes along the way while he's learning on loan, it won't affect us.

KWP would be the player we would want to sign up as back up to Trippier or to challenge him for first choice,....if we didn't already have him!

 

[DJS]

I was advocating KWP earlier in summer as back up to Trippier and people were poo pooing it.

Who'da think it eh.

 

[kmk]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...-fans-so-proud-debut-says-uncle-a3612186.html

Kyle Walker-Peters' uncle Phil says family were so proud of Tottenham debut - 'even the Arsenal fans!'

Walker-Peters’ father was at St James’ Park for his son’s stunning Spurs debut but his uncle Phil, a former Millwall and Charlton star, joined nervous relatives to watch on TV in the capital

Kyle Walker-Peters admitted to some nerves ahead of his Tottenham debut at Newcastle on Sunday, but it was nothing to how his family were feeling.

The 20-year-old’s father, Dennis, was at St James’ Park to watch his son’s man-of-the-match performance in the 2-0 win, which ended with a dressing-room speech in front of Mauricio Pochettino and his team-mates.

Back in London, Phil Walker - Kyle’s uncle and a former Millwall and Charlton midfielder - was watching with the rest of the family.

"We were more nervous than him," Walker said. "Kyle is quite a calm boy, he doesn’t seem to be fazed by much. He just took it in his stride.

"Dennis was very calm. You wouldn’t have realised that his son was making his debut for Tottenham. He’s always believed in him. He wasn’t fazed at all - much like Kyle.

"He was unbelievably proud. My brother doesn’t say much but you could see how proud he was.

"And the whole family - we’ve got a lot of Arsenal supporters but even they were happy to see Kyle play so well! We always thought that he was good enough. It was just about giving him the opportunity."


Proving that he is good enough has been the story of Walker-Peters’ remarkable summer. In June, he was still best-known as ‘the other Kyle Walker’ but he ended last week as a World Cup winner and a Premier League player. He has taken his chances.

When England boss Paul Simpson picked the right-footer at left-back in the final group game at the Under-20 World Cup, he was so impressive that he made the position his own for the rest of the tournament, playing a key role in England’s historic triumph.

When Spurs sold the other Kyle Walker shortly before their pre-season tour, Walker-Peters travelled to America determined to establish himself as the club’s deputy right-back.

And when injury sidelined Kieran Trippier, Walker-Peters did not look out of place in an assured and energetic Premier League debut.

Born in Edmonton, Walker-Peters grew up as a Spurs fan, joining them as a schoolboy with help from the other footballer in the family.

"I spoke to the former Millwall goalkeeper Bryan King, who was a scout for Tottenham at the time. They liked him. There were other clubs talking to my brother, so it all came together," said Walker, now a coach who runs the Phil Walker Skills School in London. "But when Kyle started at Tottenham, he wasn’t rated as one of the best players."

Phil Walker holds off Tottenham legend Glenn Hoddle in action for Millwall

Initially an attacking midfielder, Walker-Peters lived with a host family, rooming with Milos Veljkovic, a Serbian player now with Werder Bremen who also went on to win the Under-20 World Cup.

Influenced by Veljkovic and his father, Walker-Peters developed a ruthless streak.

"Milos was competing against me and other players for a place in the team. You could see he had that mentality," Walker-Peters told FourFourTwo earlier this year.

"I felt I was trying to get the other players in my position out of the club. My dad was a big influence. He would always say, ‘there’s no friends in football, you can be friendly, but you’ll never have friends’. When I got to 16 I realised I had to be selfish."

He progressed quickly, earning international recognition with England Under-18s and Under-19s.

Dennis and his mother kept him focused off the pitch - "My school work came before my football," Waker-Peters said - and supported him on it.

"My brother went to every game possible," said Walker. "He knows how to handle things and in every situation he is able to teach Kyle. I didn’t have much influence on Kyle being a footballer - his father played the biggest part. Parents have to make so many sacrifices."

There have been hard times for Walker-Peters, including a broken leg, and offers to play first-team football elsewhere on loan, some rejected by him and others by Tottenham.

He has been training with Pochettino’s first team for 18 months, featuring in the last three pre-seasons and twice earning a spot on the bench last year.

"He’s kept the faith," Walker said. "It’s never been in his mind to think about leaving. My brother has spoken to his agent about going on loan, but he has always been a Tottenham supporter. He has always wanted to play for them."

As Walker-Peters acknowledged, there is still a long way to go. Walker believes he can improve his left foot and his attacking, and he is hoping the defender plays at Wembley on Sunday against Chelsea - the team he and Dennis grew up supporting.

"It’ll be a big occasion for me," Walker said. "But it’s different watching your nephew play. You just want your nephew to win."

 

[THFCSPURS19]

New contract soon apparently:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4805020/Tottenham-Kyle-Walker-Peters-new-deal.html

 

[alex3]

Now that it looks like we will be playing 3 At be back i think he should be a our back up for trippier