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fortworthspur

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well yeah, if money is all you care about then sure, but if he has any intentions of actually playing football sometime soon then he'd be foolish to lock himself into a longer term contract than the one he's already on.

If he's good enough he will play, and if he wants to ask for a transfer he can. I dont see how signing an extension hurts his chances. Personally I think he has more of a shot at displacing Aurier than Trippier.
 

WiganSpur

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well yeah, if money is all you care about then sure, but if he has any intentions of actually playing football sometime soon then he'd be foolish to lock himself into a longer term contract than the one he's already on.
Totally agree, wouldn't blame Walker-Peters at all if he did want to get first team football elsewhere.
 

daryl hannah

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Did I not months ago explained we were offering him fresh terms, but he wanted very strong assurances playing RB? Tripps is the most likely to go, not SA!
KWP should be given his chance. I'd much rather we sell both Trippier and Aurier though, for very different reasons.

Spurs have form for hanging onto their duds too long (Aurier).

Be very disappointed if Arsenal get Pereira.
 

WiganSpur

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Did I not months ago explained we were offering him fresh terms, but he wanted very strong assurances playing RB? Tripps is the most likely to go, not SA!
The right back debate is a very interesting one at the moment.

Trippier is Trippier, currently the better option than Aurier but I don't think he's going to get any better or any worse. Aurier is lacking in quite a few areas at the moment but there's a possibility that he could become a much better option than Trippier in time. When he learns English, settles in and gets sharper during pre-season away from the WC there's a good chance we could see a different player.

I understand both arguments regarding Serge so I'll back whatever the club decides to do with him.
 

WiganSpur

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KWP should be given his chance. I'd much rather we sell both Trippier and Aurier though, for very different reasons.

Spurs have form for hanging onto their duds too long (Aurier).

Be very disappointed if Arsenal get Pereira.
I like Pereira too but I think there's a danger of us creating unnecessary work to do in the transfer market at RB when there are other priorities like left back and the midfield. There's also no guarantees that any new signing would be any better than Serge or Trips currently are.

Luckily we have KWP that we can fall back on so if he is to be given an opportunity then we should only sell one of those two. Let's just get LB and CM sorted this summer and i'll be fucking delighted.
 

spursfan77

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Did I not months ago explained we were offering him fresh terms, but he wanted very strong assurances playing RB? Tripps is the most likely to go, not SA!

I’d get rid of both, buy a proper first choice right back with the money and give kwp the chance to ursurp him. It just seems too obvious, so I doubt it will happen.
 

daryl hannah

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I like Pereira too but I think there's a danger of us creating unnecessary work to do in the transfer market at RB when there are other priorities like left back and the midfield. There's also no guarantees that any new signing would be any better than Serge or Trips currently are.

Luckily we have KWP that we can fall back on so if he is to be given an opportunity then we should only sell one of those two. Let's just get LB and CM sorted this summer and i'll be fucking delighted.
If you call creating a team with title-winning potential 'unneccessary.'
 

Japhet

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KWP should be given his chance. I'd much rather we sell both Trippier and Aurier though, for very different reasons.

Spurs have form for hanging onto their duds too long (Aurier).

Be very disappointed if Arsenal get Pereira.


Aurier needs a chance to settle in. We've had players labelled as 'duds' way too soon in the past who have come good with a bit of patience. A full pre-season will be great for him.
 

daryl hannah

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Aurier needs a chance to settle in. We've had players labelled as 'duds' way too soon in the past who have come good with a bit of patience. A full pre-season will be great for him.
Mate, we are constantly and perpetually waiting for a number of our players to come good. Aurier doesn't have the footballing brain and we signed him seemingly because he was an opportunity, not a thoroughly well-scouted player

Edit: 3 pens conceded and a red card - get rid.
 

WiganSpur

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If you call creating a team with title-winning potential 'unneccessary.'
But have you thought about the potential disruption to team dynamics? I don't think you have. Toby is already leaving, Rose probably will. We need the right balance between fresh faces and a settled squad. That's what wins you titles.

I understand both viewpoints regarding Aurier, but I think people have been very quick to dismiss. I myself have been guilty of it in the past with Son. Even last season after the game at Anfield I openly admitted i'd had just about enough of his inconsistency and poor work rate. He then goes on an insane run of form and follows that with a great 17/18 season.

If we sign another RB to replace Aurier, what are the guarantees that they won't have the same teething troubles Aurier has had? Patience my friend I think. At the end of the day, if KWP turns out to be better then he will usurp him anyway.
 

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You'd think after the various early trials of Bale, Modric, Eriksen, Lamela and myriad others, people would stop writing players off after a few months. I mean it took Pochettino a couple of years to turn Walker and Rose from accident-prone mediocrities to two of the best full backs in the league. If anyone has earned the right to be given time to turn a talented but sloppy full back into something special it's him.

I'd be interested to know what @daryl hannah has to say about Kyle Walker's football brain, given that he was a one-man bomb scare for much of his time at Spurs, never far from a game-altering brainwrong no matter how well he was playing. His attempted pass back against Liverpool at Anfield a couple of years ago still gives me chills.
 

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Mate, we are constantly and perpetually waiting for a number of our players to come good. Aurier doesn't have the footballing brain and we signed him seemingly because he was an opportunity, not a thoroughly well-scouted player

Edit: 3 pens conceded and a red card - get rid.

Who are these number of our players to refer too ? Aurier then who else ?
 

daryl hannah

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But have you thought about the potential disruption to team dynamics? We need the right balance between fresh faces and a settled squad. That's what wins you titles.

I understand both viewpoints regarding Aurier, but I think people have been very quick to dismiss. I myself have been guilty of it in the past with Son. Even last season after the game at Anfield I openly admitted i'd had just about enough of his inconsistency and poor work rate. He then goes on an insane run of form and follows that with a great 17/18 season.

If we sign another RB to replace Aurier, what are the guarantees that they won't have the same teething troubles Aurier has had? Patience my friend I think. At the end of the day, if KWP turns out to be better then he will usurp him anyway.
It's cognitive dissonance at the end of the day.

The crumb of comfort provided by the thought that a player will eventually turn out to be a world beater because Son did it, Rose did it, Lamela (eventually). This is like that, therefore...

Liverpool don't keep players like Sissoko around, they get rid, sharpish. (Yes, I know, the finances etc.)
 

WiganSpur

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It's cognitive dissonance at the end of the day.

The crumb of comfort provided by the thought that a player will eventually turn out to be a world beater because Son did it, Rose did it, Lamela (eventually). This is like that, therefore...

Liverpool don't keep players like Sissoko around, they get rid, sharpish. (Yes, I know, the finances etc.)
As I said, Aurier has been very poor but that really doesn't mean he will continue to be.

Nobody knows how he or any replacement will turn out next season so we have to use our best judgements. I'm on the fence regarding him, but I think what probably tips it for me is that there will be other disruptions to our defence next season with the likely changes at left back and with Toby leaving. I think we should keep faith in him for now.

With Trippier we know what we are getting, decent but not top class and never will be. I guess Aurier is the gamble and Trippier is the safe bet. It's up to the club to decide.
 

daryl hannah

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Who are these number of our players to refer too ? Aurier then who else ?
Aurier, Rose, Lamela (controversial), Sissoko, Onomah, Janssen, Soldado, Llorente, Nkoudou, Njie. There are probably more.

Edit: I'd add Davies to that lot.

Edit: And Son - nearly shipped off in his first year.
 

rabbikeane

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Mate, we are constantly and perpetually waiting for a number of our players to come good. Aurier doesn't have the footballing brain

Yes, and we'll continue to do so. It's a policy that make us punch above our weight, while also being a factor to us never winning anything. For me it's a balance to be had, and then we can discuss whether that has been correct so far, but youthful undeveloped players can also be a strenght - they provide enthusiasm, energy, belief, and quick feet. Some would say Pochettino depend on having many of these. They need guidance though, winners and experience on the pitch alongside them.

Aurier doesn't have the footballing brain

Not unlike a certain Kyle Walker
 

Shadydan

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It's cognitive dissonance at the end of the day.

The crumb of comfort provided by the thought that a player will eventually turn out to be a world beater because Son did it, Rose did it, Lamela (eventually). This is like that, therefore...

Liverpool don't keep players like Sissoko around, they get rid, sharpish. (Yes, I know, the finances etc.)

They still have Lovren lining up for them and Moreno and Migolet in their squad

What a strange example.
 
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