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daryl hannah

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They still have Lovren lining up for them and Moreno and Migolet in their squad

What a strange example.
Don't make me look up their ins and outs... I can't be arsed.

But for starters - Carroll, Balotelli, Origi, Markovic off the top of my head.

Edit: Benteke
 

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It sounds a bit silly, but I actually think Aurier giving away pens could be a physical problem. Maybe the solution is just to make him better in the tackle. Improve his sharpness, balance, agility and timing of his tackles and we could actually turn his weakness into a strength.
 

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Yes, Liverpool are the exact opposite of what he's suggesting there - their biggest problem is that their squad is unbalanced, with a handful of excellent players alongside utter muck. They're the opposite of us really, in that we're a very balanced side with quality in every position, but lack that X factor (sorry for the shit term) that an attack of Firmino, Mané and Salah provide.

They certainly aren't quick to ship out players that are doing badly, and I would say that the improvement of a player like Karius, who has quietly become one of the better keepers in the league after a very dodgy start, is a good example of why you shouldn't be too hasty in binning off players who don't settle quickly. But I suspect if DH is unable to see the parallels with Walker and Rose, who are perfect for comparing to Aurier, he's probably not going to be swayed.

What it comes down to is this: Pochettino has improved - and usually vastly improved - just about every full back he's had since he came to the Prem. Not only Walker and Rose, but Trippier, Davies, Shaw and Cedric too. Aurier is rash and prone to mistakes, but he's also got a lot that is good about his game (more than people in here are giving him credit for - he's not been great so far, but IMO he's not been as consistently dreadful as some are saying) and Pochettino's record suggests he should be able to iron out the creases and turn Aurier into a very good full back.
 
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If he signs he needs assurances that he's actually going to play next season and if that's the case then one of our current RB's needs to be moved on, my vote is Trippier.

I don't really know what assurances he can be given. Everyone says you sign to train, well he's been doing that for 2 years, it's not like we are going to give him guarantees he will play first team football. If we did we'd be going against our 'philosophy' if we don't then he'd be a foolish to sign based on trust
 

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I don't really know what assurances he can be given. Everyone says you sign to train, well he's been doing that for 2 years, it's not like we are going to give him guarantees he will play first team football. If we did we'd be going against our 'philosophy' if we don't then he'd be a foolish to sign based on trust
Assurances is treating him fairly, rather than going against your words ‘when you play, earn your place’. He did after Newcastle away, voted MOTM, then dumped next match. Poch in this regard has to look at himself.
 

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Hopefully he might get a few games soon if we can secure top 4 earlier. He could become a great right back if given the chance, I would hate to lose him
 

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Did I not months ago explained we were offering him fresh terms, but he wanted very strong assurances playing RB? Tripps is the most likely to go, not SA!
that is fascinating info mate.....really interesting - would have thought SA would go
 

Hercules

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that is fascinating info mate.....really interesting - would have thought SA would go
I highly doubt it! I think he rightfully has to be given a full pre-season, and 6 months. I know there was a consideration to let Tripps go few months back. Personally I would offload him, as I believe he is at his peak, and we have seen over the past few matches what that is.

On top of that Poch really wanted SA, so it won’t look good, when you factor in VJ, Sissoko, who were his signings.
 

Shadydan

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It makes sense, Aurier is younger and has a higher upside than Trippier and we only got him last year, despite his faults I think there's potential there.
 

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Assurances is treating him fairly, rather than going against your words ‘when you play, earn your place’. He did after Newcastle away, voted MOTM, then dumped next match. Poch in this regard has to look at himself.

You know where I stand with this and obviously agree that Poch doesn't treat the academy players fairly. When people reel off the, 'sign to train', and 'Poch will give them a chance if they are good enough' or 'have to earn it', I don't buy it, and unless I'm wrong your ITK implies Poch hasn't been sticking to those principles, and you're aware he has been treating some academy players unfairly. Watch out some people may be questioning your status soon as I don't think a lot of people will be willing to hear that.

Either way as before, I just don't know how you can give assurances. He can't sign a contract that states that he will play a certain amount of games per year, I disagree with that anyway. So all it comes down to again is trust. 'I promise if you work hard or you improve I will give you a fair chance'. Then we hear, 'he isn't quite putting in the effort we want to see in training' or 'we have improved again as a team, to get a chance you need to be even better' and no one can question the managers decision as we don't see him in training and he has only done it against, and KWP is stuck on a longer contract he can't get out of. Depending on people to change is risky, at the end of the day it's KWP's career on the line. I wouldn't sign, but then again if he doesn't we can tell him he won't play for us unless he does, and he's stuck in a cycle. Whatever happens I hope he comes out of it OK and he can have a career
 

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You know where I stand with this and obviously agree that Poch doesn't treat the academy players fairly. When people reel off the, 'sign to train', and 'Poch will give them a chance if they are good enough' or 'have to earn it', I don't buy it, and unless I'm wrong your ITK implies Poch hasn't been sticking to those principles, and you're aware he has been treating some academy players unfairly. Watch out some people may be questioning your status soon as I don't think a lot of people will be willing to hear that.

Either way as before, I just don't know how you can give assurances. He can't sign a contract that states that he will play a certain amount of games per year, I disagree with that anyway. So all it comes down to again is trust. 'I promise if you work hard or you improve I will give you a fair chance'. Then we hear, 'he isn't quite putting in the effort we want to see in training' or 'we have improved again as a team, to get a chance you need to be even better' and no one can question the managers decision as we don't see him in training and he has only done it against, and KWP is stuck on a longer contract he can't get out of. Depending on people to change is risky, at the end of the day it's KWP's career on the line. I wouldn't sign, but then again if he doesn't we can tell him he won't play for us unless he does, and he's stuck in a cycle. Whatever happens I hope he comes out of it OK and he can have a career
I respect your posts IMMENSELY! I personally feel that Poch doesn’t back his words with the youngsters, and we both know that s lot of the very talented academy are not convinced in what he says.

I know very closely the true feelings of KWP, and you are on the money re his career. I know McDermott is digging his heels in over KWP, and even Onomah, but this is not the thread for that one. Critical times all round, as the first team rave about KWP ?
 
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I know McDermott is digging his heels in over KWP, and even Onomah, but this is not the thread for that one. Critical times all round, as the first team rave about KWP ?

I wonder how much Poch does listen to McDermott, good to see he is still pushing for both. He knows a thing or two about what talent is required to play PL.

Really like the last sentence, good to know the first teamers recognise his ability, means if he ever gets his chance they will feel comfortable and trust him
 

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I wonder how much Poch does listen to McDermott, good to see he is still pushing for both. He knows a thing or two about what talent is required to play PL.

Really like the last sentence, good to know the first teamers recognise his ability, means if he ever gets his chance they will feel comfortable and trust him
I think we have seen in the matches he has played that the first teamers are quite willing to trust him and involve him in the play.
 

Hercules

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I wonder how much Poch does listen to McDermott, good to see he is still pushing for both. He knows a thing or two about what talent is required to play PL.

Really like the last sentence, good to know the first teamers recognise his ability, means if he ever gets his chance they will feel comfortable and trust him
True words mate. I think even if it’s the cups, we have to utilise a couple of our elite youngsters at the very least. Great example, anyone honestly actually believe Onomah would of done worst than Sissoko who cost 30m? I could name a couple more, but won’t.
 

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I respect your posts IMMENSELY! I personally feel that Poch doesn’t back his words with the youngsters, and we both know that s lot of the very talented academy are not convinced in what he says.

I know very closely the true feelings of KWP, and you are on the money re his career. I know McDermott is digging his heels in over KWP, and even Onomah, but this is not the thread for that one. Critical times all round, as the first team rave about KWP ?
@Hercules, I’m asking this as a genuine question because I’ve not really seen any of him apart from the Newcastle game, therefore I’m not digging him but...

You suggested KWP is highly rated and the the first team rave about him but I’d like to know why. What are the attributes that we see in him that make him one to watch out for? He didn’t strike me as being the athlete with pace that Walker or Carr had, or having the delivery of Trippier or strength of Serge. I appreciate he is a lot younger than all of those and has developing to do but am just curious as to why we see him differently in terms of characteristics that will make him a top (England) player as opposed to a Thelwell?
 

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@Hercules, I’m asking this as a genuine question because I’ve not really seen any of him apart from the Newcastle game, therefore I’m not digging him but...

You suggested KWP is highly rated and the the first team rave about him but I’d like to know why. What are the attributes that we see in him that make him one to watch out for? He didn’t strike me as being the athlete with pace that Walker or Carr had, or having the delivery of Trippier or strength of Serge. I appreciate he is a lot younger than all of those and has developing to do but am just curious as to why we see him differently in terms of characteristics that will make him a top (England) player as opposed to a Thelwell?

His dribbling and close control on the ball is some of the best I've seen for any youth player regardless of position. He used to go on slaloming runs into the box and control games from right back. The big shame is no one would see it in the first team as he's only played in his favourite position once, and the one time he played in his strongest position he was probably trying to play as safe as possible so as not to make any mistakes which would end up in him screwing up his only chance and getting dropped. Guess he made the wrong decision there.

The defensive side of his game has really improved as has his crossing, sadly I haven't seen him go on the runs that made him stand out in over a year now, so I can only hope that if the first teamers rate him, he must be doing it in training, as it's very impressive to see
 
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mpickard2087

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His dribbling and close the ball is some of the best I've seen for any youth player regardless of position. He used to go on slaloming runs into the box and control games from right back. The big shame is no one would see it in the first team as he's only played in his favourite position once, and the one time he played in his strongest position he was probably trying to play as safe as possible so as not to make any mistakes which would end up in him screwing up his only chance and getting dropped. Guess he made the wrong decision there.

The defensive side of his game has really improved as has his crossing, sadly I haven't seen him go on the runs that made him stand out in over a year now, so I can only hope that if the first teamers rate him, he must be doing it in training, as it's very impressive to see

Your level of knowledge on the subject far exceeds mine, but I think you leave out/don't expand upon other strengths - he is adept at playing little give and go's, working in tight space, and he can work either wide or pop up and find pockets of space centrally to contribute. Plus his sense of adventure and he is willing to get really high up the pitch. Whilst he hasn't shown his dribbling ability much so far in his first team outings (probably a mix of the higher levels of opposition, confidence, and teams sitting back against us so less space), those things I list he has shown in his last couple of cameos, even at left back, such as the goal he got.

Purely as a guess here, going on the little I know of how professional players see the game and what they rate in others, those aspects - the close control, ability to work in tight spaces under pressure - they'll respect that and see he is comfortable and trust him.
 

Hercules

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@Hercules, I’m asking this as a genuine question because I’ve not really seen any of him apart from the Newcastle game, therefore I’m not digging him but...

You suggested KWP is highly rated and the the first team rave about him but I’d like to know why. What are the attributes that we see in him that make him one to watch out for? He didn’t strike me as being the athlete with pace that Walker or Carr had, or having the delivery of Trippier or strength of Serge. I appreciate he is a lot younger than all of those and has developing to do but am just curious as to why we see him differently in terms of characteristics that will make him a top (England) player as opposed to a Thelwell?
The kid as bundles of technical ability, and throughput his age groups, since converting to a defender, I have not seen anyone, including first team, get the better of him. He has ridiculous ability to maintain composure in tight spots. He always seems in control.

He is quite quick, and certainly not slow, and very tenacious.
 
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