The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

[IGSpur]

With Trippier's fitness in question at the start of the season and KWP not even made his debut at that point, there is no way we could we could chance it. We needed experienced cover.

Surely depends on how much your manager believes in you. At the end of the day as Aurier has shown any RB we were going to bring in wasn't going to be better than Walker so we were always going to be worse, off, plus the new player was always going to need an adjusting period, especially coming from abroad. So if we really rated him, I don't see why we couldn't just risk playing him, especially knowing Dier could play RB. I kind of understand it. But look at Liverpool TAA played 162 PL minutes last year not a lot which is more than the FA Cup mins given to KWP and was trusted going into this season. Klopp did exactly what I think Poch should do, tested him out in the few games he could to prepare for the next season, realised his ability and then trusted him the following season rather than buying a player to block him. Now TAA is playing in a CL semi-final.

KWP is 2 year groups above him and people are still unsure if they can trust him as one of the RBs for next season.

 

[Hercules]

Do you mean clubs after him?

Correct!!!

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Surely depends on how much your manager believes in you. At the end of the day as Aurier has shown any RB we were going to bring in wasn't going to be better than Walker so we were always going to be worse, off, plus the new player was always going to need an adjusting period, especially coming from abroad. So if we really rated him, I don't see why we couldn't just risk playing him, especially knowing Dier could play RB. I kind of understand it. But look at Liverpool TAA played 162 PL minutes last year not a lot which is more than the FA Cup mins given to KWP and was trusted going into this season. Klopp did exactly what I think Poch should do, tested him out in the few games he could to prepare for the next season, realised his ability and then trusted him the following season rather than buying a player to block him. Now TAA is playing in a CL semi-final.

KWP is 2 year groups above him and people are still unsure if they can trust him as one of the RBs for next season.

Klopp had to give him a chance as Clyne has been out all season and Joe Gomez had a couple of injuries. TAA has taken his chance.

 

[ardiles&villa]

This lad has got to get a good run around now surely, the bar is there to be set at RB and I think he’s probably be as good if not better than what we have seen this season

 

[steve]

Once we snag top 4 he should get a run out for sure....hopefully that'll be with 2 games left

 

[Hypermusec]

Not over the top!

If you only knew the calibre of teams in EPL & Germany, it would SHOCK you! I would personally be totally pissed off if we lost him. All through the academy, into his games for England, he has been one of the most sort after, and stand out players. As far as I am concerned, aside from experience, Trippier cannot lace his boots!!!

Honest question here - really curious about this. Just your opinion of course! ?

Why do reckon poch hasn’t given kwp more chances? It seems to be more or less the same discussion we’re having ref edwards and onomah in many ways. Very highly rated by most people who follow the youth, other big clubs and a couple of the first teamers ahead of them (like sissoko and trippier) don’t seem to be far ahead of them in terms of ability and it’s difficult to see why they are not been given more time considering their potential. Is the whole «poch gives youth a chance» a myth? Is his eye for talent not as good as many believe?

I have always felt a bit of what kwp, edwards and onomah are missing is going through that physical transformation that kane and winks did. Added a bit of muscle over a preseason. All the former three seem a bit slight still? Just speculating of course!

 

[Hercules]

Honest question here - really curious about this. Just your opinion of course! ?

Why do reckon poch hasn’t given kwp more chances? It seems to be more or less the same discussion we’re having ref edwards and onomah in many ways. Very highly rated by most people who follow the youth, other big clubs and a couple of the first teamers ahead of them (like sissoko and trippier) don’t seem to be far ahead of them in terms of ability and it’s difficult to see why they are not been given more time considering their potential. Is the whole «poch gives youth a chance» a myth? Is his eye for talent not as good as many believe?

I have always felt a bit of what kwp, edwards and onomah are missing is going through that physical transformation that kane and winks did. Added a bit of muscle over a preseason. All the former three seem a bit slight still? Just speculating of course!

Onomah & KWP are 2 of our elite high regarded youngsters. And anyone trying to tell me different with the crap as to why (Onomah) is not up to it? Let’s keep Sissoko and others who shit louds of money. SMFH

 

[IGSpur]

Klopp had to give him a chance as Clyne has been out all season and Joe Gomez had a couple of injuries. TAA has taken his chance.

Do you mean this season? Well either way, it's good that Klopp had prepared him the season before, as he was ready to be one of their rotated RBs. He played the majority of the CL group campaign, and played a lot in rotation with Gomez, before eventually becoming the no.1. If Klopp didn't trust him he could have changed formation or put another player out of position. I've seen many managers do that.

I'm sure there have been points this season where 2 of our 4 fullbacks have been injured at once, at KWP was never rotated in.

 

[WiganSpur]

I've given up all hope on Onomah been given opportunities now. The kid should move elsewhere if you ask me. I reckon he'd suit Bournemouth.

KWP reminiscent of some of Onomah's previous seasons with us. The odd cup start, mostly 5 minutes here and there in the wrong position with no genuine trust shown. I'd be seriously considering not extending my contract if I was him.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Onomah & KWP are 2 of our elite high regarded youngsters. And anyone trying to tell me different with the crap as to why (Onomah) is not up to it? Let’s keep Sissoko and others who shit louds of money. SMFH

Well in the summer when Clement was at Swansea, he raved about KWP, when he signed Tammy Abraham he also wanted KWP on loan but we wouldn’t let him go. Onomah was also on his list. Only reservations on Onomah were his mentality and inner aggression.

I was told at the time the fact spurs place Trippier above him (in the worlds of professional coach) is a shambles 70% of the teams we play actually tactically set up to expose Trippiers lack of pace (in fact Swansea I know actually practiced drills for it with ayew to target him and Davies is lack of pace).

Trippier is actually for me our weakest link by miles he’s naturally just not got the physical capabilities for a full back we need in fact I’m pretty sure he can only play in a back 5, he’s 12-6th team kind of player very limited will have the odd good game every year but he’s not anywhere near our level sorry.

 

[C0YS]

Not over the top!

If you only knew the calibre of teams in EPL & Germany, it would SHOCK you! I would personally be totally pissed off if we lost him. All through the academy, into his games for England, he has been one of the most sort after, and stand out players. As far as I am concerned, aside from experience, Trippier cannot lace his boots!!!

I'd be pissed off, but for now he is completely unproven at the top level. I've been a big big fan for a long time, ever since I saw him in the U18s run games from right back I said, on this forum I think, that I'd be shocked if he doesn't make it in the PL.

However, he had a decent, but not exceptional game against Newcastle [where he was lucky not to give a penalty away let us not forget], he has had a few good cameo's and he had a horror game against Newport [let's not pretend otherwise].

Trippier is a full England international who get a lot of rubbish thrown at him because he is not athletic enough or fashionable. If Walker-Peters is as good as you say then Poch should be sacked for gross incompetence.

Ultimately, for whatever reason Poch isn't yet fully convinced he is ready and until I see him play a larger pool of games, its pretty much impossible to really know.

For all I know you've seen him in training Hercules, but most people posting on here haven't and the things they are saying, about being sure that Walker-Peters would displace Tripps if he was given a chance etc, is just hyperbole on there-part and if you were actually to look at the few minutes he has played for us there is little to suggest that actually would happen.

I've seen him in youth football and I genuinely believe he has the potential to be right up there, but for now its just that, potential.

 

[C0YS]

And while a League 2 footballer got the better of him in one game in his weak position, he also got the better of a Premier League winger in his strongest position. Everyone can play the game of naming a one-off poor performance. I'm sure some of our experienced first teamers played poorly against Rochdale and Newport so I don't know what it really shows.



On the contrary, the people who rate him and have followed him are also the ones who are very wary that he will need time and may not show he is top class in his first season. The balance of watching the academy and suggesting what players need to be promoted, is knowing how much to praise them to convince fans that they should get a chance in the first team, but then knowing that fans will expect them to come in and instantly be class due to the praise. It is all relative. I think if KWP played 5/6 games people would soon start saying he is better than Trippier

That's the over the top bit, in 6 games people will see him be better than a full England international who is second to only Kyle Walker in goals created from right back. Tripps if far from perfect but he is much better than people give him credit for, when he is aggressive he is a seriously good player, just think back to the Real Madrid game.

Similarly teams may try and expose Tripps and Davies lack of pace but they rarely actually get exposed because of it, Much less so that Aurier and Rose this season thats for sure.

I hope we do have young players who show themselves to be really worth a place in the team but no one, absolutely no one can say with any degree of certainty how good KWP is or if he would make it as a PL player because he is entirely unproved at this level, and there have been more talented players than him who have failed to make a grade.

I would like to see youth players be given a little bit more of a chance, particularly in games that don't really matter, but ultimately everyone needs a bit of patience as well, and accept the vast majority of times even the most hyped youth players will fail to make it in a top 6 club in the PL.

 

[Clark28]

I'd start him for the remainder of our games this season

 

[SpursDave88]

I know this is begging the question, but surely if he was good enough he would be playing. Personally I think he hasn't bulked up enough to play the mans game. A summer in the gym will do a lot to take him forward.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Also think we should have a look at the rotation of FB's. A little rotation is always needed but I think every other game is overkill and stifles our continuity/momentum.

 

[spursfan77]

Aurier needs a chance to settle in. We've had players labelled as 'duds' way too soon in the past who have come good with a bit of patience. A full pre-season will be great for him.

And probably a larger amount that have turned out to be duds.

 

[spursfan77]

I've given up all hope on Onomah been given opportunities now. The kid should move elsewhere if you ask me. I reckon he'd suit Bournemouth.

KWP reminiscent of some of Onomah's previous seasons with us. The odd cup start, mostly 5 minutes here and there in the wrong position with no genuine trust shown. I'd be seriously considering not extending my contract if I was him.

Both him and KWP must simply have had their progression being harmed by not playing games. I know onomah’s loan hasn’t been plain sailing but he’s got to live a season as a proper professional and everything that goes with the pressure of playing games.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

trippier is not fast enough nor skillful enough to break opponent's defense on his own, he needs a teammate running down the flank in front of him so that he can make a one-two or make a through ball. so as davies. both of them would struggle when our attack is stacked in the middle. kwp has the technique to break defense on his own imo

 

[Yid121]

I'd start him for the remainder of our games this season

Agree 100%

 

[nicdic]

Loving the positive stuff on KWP here, but think some are being overly critical of Trippier.