The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

[Haddock]

He looked fantastic going forward and two assists isn't shabby for a full back. However, this Spurs - Leicester match was weird from beginning to end: Is this really the match where we should make claims like "KWP should definitely be our starter RB"? or "Just sell Tripps and Aurier and play KWP"?

KWP based on this performance definitely deserves more playing time but imagine this being a tough away game against Real Madrid in the CL or a London derby against Chelsea. Aurier and Tripps both have their flaws but I'd still play either of them before KWP in such a match. KWP is a great prospect but maybe we shouldn't go full RAWK and overhype him before he's had at least a couple of full 90 minutes performances against quality opponents.

Sorry for being cynical just my 2 cents.

 

[willcpt17]

Tripps out, Aurier 1st choice and KWP battle to take it off him. They'd both get ample time to become 1st choice anyway with Poch's rotation style

If we can get a good transfer fee for Tripps then I would agree, lets sell him. I think Aurier and KWP are more of what Poch wants in a fullback/WB than Trippier is. The best part is neither KWP or Aurier are going to the WC, so they will be fresh for the ICC. I do think Aurier will be much improved next season after he gets a preseason under his belt.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Get in KWP. Well played lad.

 

[Matecheck]

You have more of an attacking threat but also get absolutely ripped apart at the back?

Let's be real here lads, if you're going to tout Walker-Peters based on his attacking quality today, you have to acknowledge that he was a major weakness in a defence that conceded four goals at home. Today proved nothing about whether Walker-Peters is better or worse than Aurier/Trippier, only that he has a separate set of strengths and weaknesses.

Don't really understand why you claim he was a "major weakness" in a defense that otherwise consisted of 3 seasoned internationals. Pretty ridiculous claim and total overreaction imo. KWP was at fault for the first goal. But Wanyama, Dier, Toby were all at fault for the other three. KWP's defending was pretty tenacious the last 88 mins.

 

[$hoguN]

We shouldn’t have wasted money on Aurier last summer and at the very least should be moving Trippier on to give this lad his chance. If he isn’t first choice by the end of next season we have fucked up big time

 

[C0YS]

My guess would be Trippier. We bought him for close to £3.5m and I can see us getting £25 million for him.

The problem with that is not only would we be selling the better right back out of the two, but also we need home grown players, we couldn't even register a full squad in the last Champions League because of it. Just makes more sense to keep Tripps. Particularly because at least we know his ability. Having Aurier and KWP next season could be a disaster too much of an unknown about it.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

He looked fantastic going forward and two assists isn't shabby for a full back. However, this Spurs - Leicester match was weird from beginning to end: Is this really the match where we should make claims like "KWP should definitely be our starter RB"? or "Just sell Tripps and Aurier and play KWP"?

KWP based on this performance definitely deserves more playing time but imagine this being a tough away game against Real Madrid in the CL or a London derby against Chelsea. Aurier and Tripps both have their flaws but I'd still play either of them before KWP in such a match. KWP is a great prospect but maybe we shouldn't go full RAWK and overhype him before he's had at least a couple of full 90 minutes performances against quality opponents.

Sorry for being cynical just my 2 cents.

I don't think its cynical - but I also think KWP deserves to be in the mix next season, and he can't really be in the mix if Aurier and Trippier are both still here.

Put it this way - I'd rather have a top CM and KWP, than a middling CM and Aurier/Trippier. So, if we can raise money by selling a RB, and put it towards a top-tier CM - I think we are a better squad.

 

[Haddock]

I don't think its cynical - but I also think KWP deserves to be in the mix next season, and he can't really be in the mix if Aurier and Trippier are both still here.

Put it this way - I'd rather have a top CM and KWP, than a middling CM and Aurier/Trippier. So, if we can raise money by selling a RB, and put it towards a top-tier CM - I think we are a better squad.

That I fully agree on.

 

[allpaths]

He looked fantastic going forward and two assists isn't shabby for a full back. However, this Spurs - Leicester match was weird from beginning to end: Is this really the match where we should make claims like "KWP should definitely be our starter RB"? or "Just sell Tripps and Aurier and play KWP"?

KWP based on this performance definitely deserves more playing time but imagine this being a tough away game against Real Madrid in the CL or a London derby against Chelsea. Aurier and Tripps both have their flaws but I'd still play either of them before KWP in such a match. KWP is a great prospect but maybe we shouldn't go full RAWK and overhype him before he's had at least a couple of full 90 minutes performances against quality opponents.

Sorry for being cynical just my 2 cents.

your cynicism isnt unwarrented and we as fans need to accept that KWP will make his fair of mistakes. But we also have to recognise that the combination of Aurier and Trippier is not good enough for our level and that imho KWP has a lot higher potential then both of them and deserves his shot to prove it.

 

[DJS]

Won’t happen but said it before. I’d sell Trippier and Aurier buy a £40m RB and have KWP back up.

Why block KWP? ??

 

[Disconosebleed]

Don't really understand why you claim he was a "major weakness" in a defense that otherwise consisted of 3 seasoned internationals. Pretty ridiculous claim and total overreaction imo. KWP was at fault for the first goal. But Wanyama, Dier, Toby were all at fault for the other three. KWP's defending was pretty tenacious the last 88 mins.

It's not an overreaction, it's providing a bit of balance when everyone is creaming their knickers and saying how this performance is proof that we need to sack off one of two seasoned pros to make way for him. He did well in many respects, but in others he showed why Pochettino hasn't trusted him to play regularly this season.

I'm as hopeful as anyone that he will become a Spurs regular in the future - if I could be bothered to look back, I would be able dig out posts from a few years ago where I said KWP was the one youth team player, above the more highly-touted likes of Edwards, Onomah and Carter-Vickers, who struck me as a future first team player - and I still think he will make it, because he has everything he needs to be a top player. All I'm saying is that today was not proof that he absolutely must play a bigger role next season, nor that it was a mistake not playing him more this season. He was great on the first day of the season against Newcastle, today was much more of a mixed bag.

EDIT: Turns out I could be bothered:

June 2016
IMO Kyle Walker-Peters is the player most likely to become a Spurs regular of all the kids currently in development. He just looks like a born winner every time I've seen him.

July 2015
Walker-Peters, from what I've seen of him (which admittedly isn't a huge amount) is just about the only kid we have that I think is a certainty to make it. Ahead of Onomah, Winks, Oduwa, Carter-Vickers, McGee, Edwards and the rest. The criticism about him pulling out of tackles is an odd one, one of the most notable things about Walker-Peters in the games I've seen is his tenacity.

Three cheers for Disconosebleed!

 

[DJS]

Having a fast RB was awesome to watch. Rose was good too. Had 3 assists between them and rose won a few free kicks in dangerous areas and should have been given a pen. Need to sort out that CM area though to allow them to push up without being too compromised

Wonder if Rose benefitted from having a pacy right back on other side as he was always mainly used in tandem with Walker.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

He’s got a bright future. A little raw but a confident individual.. I’m hopeful he’ll develop into a top talent

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

It's not an overreaction, it's providing a bit of balance when everyone is creaming their knickers and saying how this performance is proof that we need to sack off one of two seasoned pros to make way for him. He did well in many respects, but in others he showed why Pochettino hasn't trusted him to play regularly this season.

I'm as hopeful as anyone that he will become a Spurs regular in the future - if I could be bothered to look back, I would be able dig out posts from a few years ago where I said KWP was the one youth team player, above the more highly-touted likes of Edwards, Onomah and Carter-Vickers, who struck me as a future first team player - and I still think he will make it, because he has everything he needs to be a top player. All I'm saying is that today was not proof that he absolutely must play a bigger role next season, nor that it was a mistake not playing him more this season. He was great on the first day of the season against Newcastle, today was much more of a mixed bag.

It might be me, but I think you are missing the point. I don't think anyone is saying KWP is better at all aspects of FB/WB than Aurier or Tripps, only that his potential (and actual performances) warrants more playing time, and he can't get that if both Trippier and Aurier remain in front of him.

The expectation is that with time, KWP becomes a top RB in the PL. He is still relatively young - his time as an elite player may be a few years away. But, he needs the match experience to learn and improve.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Haven't seen the game so can't comment on his performance but why do people want Trippier sold before Aurier? Despite Tripps lack of pace I'd much rather have him than liability Aurier.

 

[Matecheck]

It's not an overreaction, it's providing a bit of balance when everyone is creaming their knickers and saying how this performance is proof that we need to sack off one of two seasoned pros to make way for him. He did well in many respects, but in others he showed why Pochettino hasn't trusted him to play regularly this season.

I'm as hopeful as anyone that he will become a Spurs regular in the future - if I could be bothered to look back, I would be able dig out posts from a few years ago where I said KWP was the one youth team player, above the more highly-touted likes of Edwards, Onomah and Carter-Vickers, who struck me as a future first team player - and I still think he will make it, because he has everything he needs to be a top player. All I'm saying is that today was not proof that he absolutely must play a bigger role next season, nor that it was a mistake not playing him more this season. He was great on the first day of the season against Newcastle, today was much more of a mixed bag.

Obviously can't say a more balanced perspective is the wrong stance to take. However, if KWP today showed why Poch hasn't trusted him with a bigger role, what does that say about much more experienced players who were way worse than him at the back today. And tbh, after a shaky start I didn't see anything from KWP that made me think "Now THAT'S why we haven't seen more of him so far!". He was at the very least solid in defense.

 

[Disconosebleed]

It might be me, but I think you are missing the point. I don't think anyone is saying KWP is better at all aspects of FB/WB than Aurier or Tripps, only that his potential (and actual performances) warrants more playing time, and he can't get that if both Trippier and Aurier remain in front of him.

The expectation is that with time, KWP becomes a top RB in the PL. He is still relatively young - his time as an elite player may be a few years away. But, he needs the match experience to learn and improve.

So give him opportunities next season, but don't bin either of the other two. A few months down the line, we should know a lot more about his ability. If he's forced his way into a regular place, get shot of Trippier or Aurier. If he hasn't done enough, send him out on loan (or let him develop a while longer in the U23s/first team training) and we still have two right backs to do a job.

Personally I don't think Trippier or Aurier are good enough for where we want to get to (although there is an outside chance that Aurier could be, with the right coaching). In the long-term, my hope would be that both are gone, with Kyle Walker-Peters and another, better right back rotating on the right. But as of right now it would be a huge risk to have KWP as one of only two options at right back/wing back, particularly in a system like Pochettino's where the full backs get through a ton of work and need regular rotation.

 

[Disconosebleed]

Obviously can't say a more balanced perspective is the wrong stance to take. However, if KWP today showed why Poch hasn't trusted him with a bigger role, what does that say about much more experienced players who were way worse than him at the back today. And tbh, after a shaky start I didn't see anything from KWP that made me think "Now THAT'S why we haven't seen more of him so far!". He was at the very least solid in defense.

I would agree with that to an extent, and certainly games like today make me less fearful about losing Alderweireld. But my posts aren't about exposing how crap I think KWP is, or highlighting him as the weak link. All I'm saying is that today has done little to show that he is ready for regular Premier League football. Again, I wouldn't be against him getting more Premier League football next season at all, I just don't think we should take the step of selling one of the other right backs until he's done more to prove he is ready. Play him regularly in the first half of next season, and then in January one of Trippier or Aurier can go, provided he's proved that he's ready.

 

[WhiteStripe]

It baffles me beyond belief as to why anyone thinks Aurier should have even a sniff of first team football.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I would agree with that to an extent, and certainly games like today make me less fearful about losing Alderweireld. But my posts aren't about exposing how crap I think KWP is, or highlighting him as the weak link. All I'm saying is that today has done little to show that he is ready for regular Premier League football. Again, I wouldn't be against him getting more Premier League football next season at all, I just don't think we should take the step of selling one of the other right backs until he's done more to prove he is ready. Play him regularly in the first half of next season, and then in January one of Trippier or Aurier can go, provided he's proved that he's ready.

Can't really play him more AND keep both Aurier and Trippier.

Players need a run of games, so if you are rotating all 3 - then they all will suffer. A decision must be made this summer - keep KWP and sell one of the others, or keep both and loan KWP. There is no sense in keeping all three.