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The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

$hoguN

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you really think that if he was especially bad in training Poch would be keeping him around, consistently naming him on the bench and Spurs would continually be giving him new contracts?
Did I say he was bad in Training?
 

$hoguN

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Only trouble is, given our well-documented problems with the HG player quota, selling Trippier rather than Aurier only makes that worse.
Doesn’t make a difference really. We will still have the same number of non-homegrown players
 

'O Zio

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Doesn’t make a difference really. We will still have the same number of non-homegrown players

It does because if we sold Aurier we could replace him with either a HG or non-HG player whereas if we sell Trippier we would only be able to register a HG player in his place because we've already maxed out our non-HG limit. We've already only got a 24 man squad due to this problem.
 

allpaths

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Have faith in CCV, KWP and Onomah then HG limit wouldn't be a problem next season.
I like the sentiment, as I do believe we could get so much more value from our academy. But the kids still have to meet a high standard before we just start keeping them around for HG status sake.

KWP obviously has quality, and I still have hope that it'll click for Josh one day, but CCV is just not up to our level.
 
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spurs9

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It does because if we sold Aurier we could replace him with either a HG or non-HG player whereas if we sell Trippier we would only be able to register a HG player in his place because we've already maxed out our non-HG limit. We've already only got a 24 man squad due to this problem.
Yeah but the whole idea was that KWP would be taking there place, so it makes no difference.
 

'O Zio

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Yeah but the whole idea was that KWP would be taking there place, so it makes no difference.

But the HG issue is a squad wide thing so even if KWP would replace him in the position, the HG problem would still be a factor with whoever it was we were signing next whether it be a fullback, midfielder or whatever. If we get rid of a non-HG player, regardless of position, it frees up room for either another non-HG player OR a HG player. Which position they play in is irrelevant
 

spurs9

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But the HG issue is a squad wide thing so even if KWP would replace him in the position, the HG problem would still be a factor with whoever it was we were signing next whether it be a fullback, midfielder or whatever. If we get rid of a non-HG player, regardless of position, it frees up room for either another non-HG player OR a HG player. Which position they play in is irrelevant
But you said selling Trippier instead of Aurier makes our HG situation worse, but it doesn't if we are replacing him with KWP, it stays the same.
 

RichieS

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I'm sure someone says this every time the HG discussion comes up - there is no such thing as a "HG quota". What there is is a limit on the number of over-21 non-HG players and that limit is currently 17.

A player qualifies as homegrown if they have been registered to an English or Welsh club for 3 full years prior to their 21st birthday. This season, a player is considered to be U21 if they were born in 1997 at the earliest.
 

DJS

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Have faith in CCV, KWP and Onomah then HG limit wouldn't be a problem next season.

Indications are that CCV isn’t of the required level, which is a shame as showed lots of potential in youth teams (although pointed out he was a giant Titan compared to similar aged players so maybe that’s why he had edge).
 

Dzejkob

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New contract and most probably start at Camp Nou against Barcelona. Not the worst few days for him :D

Although I would lie saying that I'm not worried about our right side tonight...
 

'O Zio

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But you said selling Trippier instead of Aurier makes our HG situation worse, but it doesn't if we are replacing him with KWP, it stays the same.

No because like I just said , the fullback position doesn't exist on isolation.

If we sell Trippier, replace him with KWP, then we're in the market for a backup to Eriksen, for example, we would only be able to sign a backup for Eriksen who was HG because we'd still be at our limit of non-HG players. On the other hand, if we sold Airier, we'd be able to sign another non-HG player or a HG player as Eriksens backup because we would have freed up a non-HG space
 
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'O Zio

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I'm sure someone says this every time the HG discussion comes up - there is no such thing as a "HG quota". What there is is a limit on the number of over-21 non-HG players and that limit is currently 17.

A player qualifies as homegrown if they have been registered to an English or Welsh club for 3 full years prior to their 21st birthday. This season, a player is considered to be U21 if they were born in 1997 at the earliest.

Just semantics. Quota, limit, ratio, call it what you want it doesn't make any difference to the point anyone was making.
 

Zippy1980

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Let’s see how the young man does tonight and in games to come before declaring him our first choice RB.
 

Tucker

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Have faith... or just keep them on the roster for HG spots?

I agree that it would be handy to have them for the HG slots, but sometimes, playing football regularly at a lower level is going to be better than sitting on the bench. For example CCV probably won’t make it at Spurs, it would be harmful to his career if we just tied him to our bench and didn’t let him develop to his own standard. Same with Onomah and KWP really (not that I’m saying they won’t be good enough for us) but there comes a point where you can’t just be a good academy player any more and you have to take the step into being a first team player somewhere.

KWP looked ok against Leicester the other night, and certainly didn’t make any massive errors that I’ve not seen Aurier or Trippier make. I’d like to see him used more, but he’s probably not ready to be number 1 in that position yet. Massive game for him tonight, hopefully he does well.
 

worcestersauce

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In my humble opinion he isn't ready, particularly for tonight's game but I'm sure he'll rise to the occasion and do himself proud, I guess everyone will need to do that though.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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In my humble opinion he isn't ready, particularly for tonight's game but I'm sure he'll rise to the occasion and do himself proud, I guess everyone will need to do that though.

In a way I think he will show better against barca than say West ham away, in the sense it will be less physical. I think physicality is what's holding him back rather than not be ready mentally tactically or technically.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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Just semantics. Quota, limit, ratio, call it what you want it doesn't make any difference to the point anyone was making.
You obviously haven't understood his point. There is no HG quota - a squad can have zero HG players if it wants to. There is a quota on non-HG players.
 
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