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TheBigMatch

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So after the heartache of been beaten away by a side that could move into a top 4 place using their game in hand (up there with l'arse and Man United our last two defeats) we are down to a few crunch matches against beatable sides. Snap out of it, beating Newcastle up there was a fairytale... nice but not likely.

Win the three cup matches (very possible) and Spurs are into the last 8 of the League Cup and effectively successfully through the group stages of the UEFA Cup.

Win 2 of the 3 league matches and Spurs will be midtable within striking distance of a European slot.

King back.... a leader in the side.

Without a top class replacement for Jol at this stage, the board would be fools to move against him (like they were to drop George Graham days before an FA Semifinal versus l'arse), and fools not to back him with a new signing or two in January....a midfield general...please.... and very successful season is still there to play for.

However, get kicked out of the League Cup and drop points in the UEFA coupled with only one or no win in the premiership and Jol might as well start working on his autobiography...

"The rise and fall of Martin Jol and Spurs".
 

Flatters

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Why the next six games? Wasn't it meant to be the next six games over six games ago before?
 

The Apprentice

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Why the next six games? Wasn't it meant to be the next six games over six games ago before?

Ay. That was the acid test 6 games ago apparently. I dare say if we win one, draw one and lost four of the next six, the same old excuses will be wheeled out.
 

Fantasticlee

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Why the next six games? Wasn't it meant to be the next six games over six games ago before?

It was and I remember some optimistic person saying how we could be sitting on 17 points after 9 games.
I remember predicting the results over these games and including yesterday and I said we could be looking at 7 points from 10.

Unfortunately I get no joy in being right on this occasion!!
 

TheBigMatch

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Why the next six games? Wasn't it meant to be the next six games over six games ago before?
The next 6 games are against clubs we are directly competing against and lose them and we are in a very deep hole.

Losing against the likes of Man U or l'arse isn't as important as losing against clubs outside the top 4 because Spurs are simply not there yet.

But we have to be able to beat the likes of Blackburn and Wigan, midtable sides, at home. And hopefully a result against Boro away.

Cups are the only trophies Spurs can win so winning a cup is a must. Lose against Blackpool is unthinkable. It has to be last 8 and 3 more for glory. Not qualifying through the UEFA group stage into the last 32 (5 more teams to glory) is also unthinkable.

The next game is always the most important but do well in the next 6 and we can look forward to 2008, still in the UEFA, League Cup, FA Cup, and hopefully still in the hunt for a Premiership Euro qualifying spot.
 

Fantasticlee

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What do we think it will take to claim a top 6 spot, 67 points or around that?

We have 28 games left.
I make it that we need to win at least 19 of them Draw 4 of them allowing for 5 defeats.
This would put us on 68 points and quite possibly a UEFA spot.

Writing it down like this it seems that this task is way beyond us.
It looks like that players have almost given up if the performance last night is anything to go by.
We can then expect to lose Berby if there's no European football at the club. Granted he may leave regardless!
 

DC_Boy

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While 'do or die' is a bit dramatic - it's certainly a crucial time coming up - we need to be out of the bottom 3 and still in the Lge Cup and in top 3 of our UEFA group for it to be a reasonable period
 

SouthLondonSpur

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What do we think it will take to claim a top 6 spot, 67 points or around that?

We have 28 games left.
I make it that we need to win at least 19 of them Draw 4 of them allowing for 5 defeats.
This would put us on 68 points and quite possibly a UEFA spot.

Writing it down like this it seems that this task is way beyond us.
It looks like that players have almost given up if the performance last night is anything to go by.
We can then expect to lose Berby if there's no European football at the club. Granted he may leave regardless!

Its beyond us becuase of the attitude in the camp right now. Same excuses from Jol. Downbeat touchline body language from the players.

I hope to God for a good cup run (=win) and to stay up.
 

onemorespursfan

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Out of interest, how many points did we expect from the fixtures and how many did we get last year:

Liverpool (A)
Man Utd (A)
Bolton (A)
Arsenal (H)
Newcastle (A)
Fulham (A)
Everton (H)
Aston Villa (H)

Obviously this ignores the two promoted teams but we did not play them last year therefore have no real comparison.

At the start of the season, I am sure that anyone looking at those fixtures would have at best predicted 10 points honestly. The next few league fixtures include Blackburn, Wigan, Boro, West Ham, Birmingham, Man City and Portsmouth before Arsenal.

Apart from last night, I thought that we were showing a bit of character in the performances and were certainly looking like the corner was in sight if not starting to turn.

Why are we concentrating on the last defeat when the 6 games prior had not given us one defeat. I cannot remember anyone screaming about the run that we had put together, yet one defeat later and we are all listening to Nirvana with a knife hovering over our wrists.

I desperately want Jol to get it right, not because I have any alliegance with the guy but because if he gets it right then Spurs will be going in the right direction. I don't know how much longer the club can wait for this change to happen, but that is why I am a fan and not sitting in a boardroom in north London.

All I can say is that in industry, people are more often given a few months to turn things around and clubs like Everton who stuck through a bad year with Moyes, even though I am sure their fans were calling for his head, should be applauded for their attitude.

Try to ignore the press hype at the moment (unless transfer related then it is a great thing), try to ignore the last defeat and lets try to concentrate on the next match and the one after that. We all share a passion for Spurs as is abundantly obvious by the volume and content of the posts so let the club know we believe in the only real way that we can... noise behind the team on Thursday, Sunday and beyond!
 

onemorespursfan

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And I also think that ddo or die is a bit extreme for our predicament. We will recover and finish at least in the top 10. I am sure that we will have a good cup run since the good vibes from a change in league form will transfer into the cup form.

All this positivity without a drink or any halucinating drugs. It may also be something to do with the fact that whilst this is an important part of our lives, it really is not as important as other aspects.

For those that disagree, really, you should take yoursleves outside and have a good hard word with yourself
 

liewser

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Out of interest, how many points did we expect from the fixtures and how many did we get last year:

Liverpool (A)
Man Utd (A)
Bolton (A)
Arsenal (H)
Newcastle (A)
Fulham (A)
Everton (H)
Aston Villa (H)

Obviously this ignores the two promoted teams but we did not play them last year therefore have no real comparison.

At the start of the season, I am sure that anyone looking at those fixtures would have at best predicted 10 points honestly. The next few league fixtures include Blackburn, Wigan, Boro, West Ham, Birmingham, Man City and Portsmouth before Arsenal.

Apart from last night, I thought that we were showing a bit of character in the performances and were certainly looking like the corner was in sight if not starting to turn.

Why are we concentrating on the last defeat when the 6 games prior had not given us one defeat. I cannot remember anyone screaming about the run that we had put together, yet one defeat later and we are all listening to Nirvana with a knife hovering over our wrists.

I desperately want Jol to get it right, not because I have any alliegance with the guy but because if he gets it right then Spurs will be going in the right direction. I don't know how much longer the club can wait for this change to happen, but that is why I am a fan and not sitting in a boardroom in north London.

All I can say is that in industry, people are more often given a few months to turn things around and clubs like Everton who stuck through a bad year with Moyes, even though I am sure their fans were calling for his head, should be applauded for their attitude.

Try to ignore the press hype at the moment (unless transfer related then it is a great thing), try to ignore the last defeat and lets try to concentrate on the next match and the one after that. We all share a passion for Spurs as is abundantly obvious by the volume and content of the posts so let the club know we believe in the only real way that we can... noise behind the team on Thursday, Sunday and beyond!


I wouldve been disappointed had we not beaten fulham, everton and villa, as well as getting something at bolton and newcastle, and a point from the games against the big sides.

So I wouldve expected 11 or 12 points from the 8 matches. Factor in the two relegated sides and I wouldve expected 17 or 18 points from the 10 games. We dont have even half of that, then you also factor in numerous terrible/error ridden performances.

Not knocking you for trying to be positive but I do scratch my head at this arguement. We are 10 games into the season, therefore we have played half the teams. Our games (as expected) have ranged from the best to the worst. Blackburn/portsmouth are not dissimilar to villa/everton, wigan/boro are not dissimilar to derby/sunderland, to me these arent particularly "easier" fixtures so if you werent expecting a similar points haul to what i said above, after our next 10 games we'll still be 18th and it will be Christmas.
 

onemorespursfan

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Expected or hoped for. There is a subtle difference. I would have hoped for the same results as you but, I expected us to not get anything last night, or against Liverpool. When we look at the improvement in the teams (if not the personnel) Villa was always going to be difficult and the Championship winners on the first day of the season would have been an obstacle for anyone.

To expect no defeats against teams that finished beneath us is asking for disappointment. And unfortunately that is what a lot of people are feeling at the moment. I assume that you expect the team to win the next 5 on the trot as well since they are much inferior to us.
 

Fantasticlee

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To expect no defeats against teams that finished beneath us is asking for disappointment. And unfortunately that is what a lot of people are feeling at the moment. I assume that you expect the team to win the next 5 on the trot as well since they are much inferior to us.

I know why don't you compare the next 6 results against last year which will make it alright... :roll:
 

liewser

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Expected or hoped for. There is a subtle difference. I would have hoped for the same results as you but, I expected us to not get anything last night, or against Liverpool. When we look at the improvement in the teams (if not the personnel) Villa was always going to be difficult and the Championship winners on the first day of the season would have been an obstacle for anyone.

To expect no defeats against teams that finished beneath us is asking for disappointment. And unfortunately that is what a lot of people are feeling at the moment. I assume that you expect the team to win the next 5 on the trot as well since they are much inferior to us.

It's a subjective matter at the end of the day but for me its definitely expected. Villa at home/Everton at home imo we have to expect to win. Take the attitude of a team fighting relegation, they take every home game outside the top 4 or 5 as a potential win, they may settle for a draw but at home you should expect to beat teams like these.

Away games is a different matter which is why even though bolton are a much poorer side than the likes of villa/everton, I know teams always put up a fight at home and so a draw isnt a bad result.

Inevitably we may drop below that expection by a few points but to be on 7 points after 10 games is very very poor. Take my 17 or 18 point mark, that would put us currently between 5th and 8th, with most of the teams around us having a game in hand. Drop off a few points which may easily have been the case, we're then 9th-12th ish.

Maybe your expectations are lower than mine its a matter of opinion, but again if you're not expecting to beat villa/everton at home, I dont see how you can expect wins against portsmouth (A)/west ham(A)/blackburn(H).

I'm looking at the next 10 prem games and given what you've said about your expectations of the first 10 games, I would say that in that case we'd be looking at beating wigan/reading/fulham/birmingham at home, so thats 12 points.

Then theres the hope, but not expectation that we'd beat the likes of blackburn/man city home, but if we draw like villa we should take it. In addition we may beat boro but thats away, plus we very rarely win there. We should expect to lose against west ham/arsenal/portsmouth away.

Its not about teams being inferior to us. The majority of teams in the top half should expect to win a large proportion of games at hom, I expect us to beat villa at home, but not away. They would probably say the same about us.

So estimating, we expect to end that period with 4, maybe 5 wins plus maybe a few draws, picking up 15-18 points in 10 games. Factor in that we only played 1 top team and thats a poor return. Then given our start, after 20 games we have 22-25 points. In my opinion that is aiming way too low. So at the beginning of the season we were expecting to finish around 10th? what kind of an expectation is that?

The media circus around the club isnt just press hype, our poor results/performances/errors haved played a big part in it too.
 

TheBigMatch

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What do we think it will take to claim a top 6 spot, 67 points or around that?

I believe 57 points is closer to the UEFA Cup mark.

67 points would be more likely top 4.

And at the start of a UEFA Cup campaign it doesn't really matter that much if you've qualified in 5th or 7th place or indeed 8th place which would still be one of Spurs best premiership finishes.
 

Spurs4Life23

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I believe 57 points is closer to the UEFA Cup mark.

67 points would be more likely top 4.

And at the start of a UEFA Cup campaign it doesn't really matter that much if you've qualified in 5th or 7th place or indeed 8th place which would still be one of Spurs best premiership finishes.

I agree look at last season Bolton got 56 points, Everton 58 points. They both qualified for Europe. We can easily get into Europe we have had a poor (and tough) start to our season. Last season we had a below par start (not as bad as this) and we still qualified. There is still hope. COYS!!! :)
 

dynamoSpurs

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and hopefully still in the hunt for a Premiership Euro qualifying spot.
Dude, wow!

Do you honestly, deep down in your heart think we can get into Europe next season??

Not only are we playing god-awful football, but in contrast, teams like Man City, Newcastle, Portsmouth, Blackburn are playing exceptional football and have proved they all have much much better squads than ours.

And cup rups - I guess we might qualify for UEFA, but if we do, we're out in first round, no doubt.

Look at us. We're a joke. Our team is soooooo shit. Goalie? Shit. Defence? Shambles. Midfield? Non-exsistent. Strikers? Over-hyped.

The ONLY positives this season has been Bale. Big whoop. We suck.

We better seriously start slating our team if we want change. Otherwise, we're gonna slowly but surely creep into a relegation battle with the possibility of playing Championship football next season, I kid you not.

TAKE ACTION NOW!! Supporting Spurs doesn't mean blind optimism and hope, it means, letting management/ownership know that they need to make some fucking radical changes NOW (well, 3 months ago) or the shit is really going to hit the fan!

Time to protest, not support this crap!!
 
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