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Discussion in 'Spurs Chat' started by parklane yid, May 10, 2014.
Except he managed their bitter rivals and has no interest in managing Barcelona so you're wrong.
Which managers ethos is conducive for Madrid's operation? Any successful manager adapts to their environment and the games best coaches are the ones who are able to do that. Real Madrid are the biggest club in the game, they are the most prestigious and most successful. If they wanted him then he is not going to turn them down, it simply isn't going to happen. Anyone who dared to suggest this outside of Spurs forum would be quite rightly laughed at.
No he didn't.
I knew someone would say this. Ok, here goes...
Yes, he managed Espanyol- but no, sorry- that doesn't mean he'd turn down the fucking Barcelona job. He was basically fired from them (Espanyol) anyway- so it's not like he was some conquering hero- say, their Sol Campbell- who would committing some massively treasonous act by coaching the other team in that city. Indeed- like many, many, many other players and managers throughout history- moving on to a FAR bigger club (and in fact it's not even close; Espanyol is a small, second-tier outfit compared to Barcelona FC, which happens to be one of the biggest teams- in any sport- on the face of the earth) is something that could- and would- be done without a problem. Espanyol's three fans would simply have to learn to forgive.
So yeah, if you think Mauricio Pochettino would turn down the offer of a lifetime- the chance to manage Barcelona FC- because years ago he used to coach (and was summarily terminated from) their (alleged) crosstown "rivals"- it is you who is wrong.
This isn't River Plate/Juniors we're talking about; more like Manchester United/Wigan.
Pochettino was asked of the Catalan club’s reported interest in him.
He replied that he was “born with a bull in his arm” – a reference to his history with bitter rivals Espanyol, for whom he played before becoming their manager.
Not sure his response is really that definitive that he'd never manage Barca.
Yeah true, the headline is overcooking it a little. I was posting it for that quote. Previous responses on here have said it would be like Hoddle managing Arsenal. I think personality wise it would be more like Graham Roberts managing Arsenal.
People say a lot of things until they're offered the Barcelona job.
Yes he did, it is why he left after we made an approach for him, it's why we paid compensation to Southampton. A better job came along and he quite rightly took it as any other rationale person would. The same happened with Koeman. You seriously can't believe he would still be at Southampton had Cortesse remained at he club?
Yeah I'm sure a lot of managers would talk it up, it's a great opportunity for any coach.
He left because he didn't see out his project at Southampton, he was building something and the chairman left the club followed by the players, he simply lost trust in the board. Strange that you used Koeman as an example as the same thing happened to him, players were sold and the project he was sold on didn't materialise which is why he left.
There are some managers and players who simply don't leave just because a carrot is dangled in front of them, Wenger didn't leave despite numerous attempts by Real Madrid and Barcelona to get him, just because it's the 'norm' doesn't mean everyone is the same.
What project? It's a meangliess buzzword of the modern game wheeled out with every foreign managerial appointment. Southampton's objective is quite straightforward, it's about establishing and maintaining their PL status.
The height of their capacity is to be a top 10 PL league club, they don't have the resources/scope to be anything other than that. There wouldn't and shouldn't be any expectation to be more than. That is their level, Pochettinho would know that as would Koeman and they wouldn't be naive to think that a club of that standing would be able to retain its best players when the likes of Liverpool and Tottenham ( let alone the likes of United, City and Chelsea) wish to take their players. The likes of Pochettinho and Koeman achieved the maximum they realistically could at the club and both moved onto a higher level with their next clubs. There isn't any great surprise in that.
As for Wenger, well firstly he has achieved his ambitions at Arsenal, they are one of the most successful sides of the PL era. Secondarily he built and shaped the club over two decades and operates a level of control that no other manager other than Ferguson has or will ever operate. He also one of the highest paid managers in the game. He is the last of that generation now Ferguson has gone and we won't see an other (the likes of Pep and Klopp have openly stated as much) because the game has changed. If the likes of Barca or Madrid were to approach Poch then so be it. I don't get the alarm, we had this with Redknapp and yet we moved on.
I think it's pretty obvious what Southampton's objectives are and Pochettino would have been told their objectives and sold on them, what he wasn't sold on was that Southampton lose the man (a friend) who bought him to the club in the first place and then subsequently sell key players due to a new boardroom which were heading in a complete opposite direction to Cortese, there is little wonder why he was unsettled in that case. I'm not saying that he would still be there now but using the reason for leaving Southampton as some sort of validation for your argument isn't accurate and well off the mark.
So you're willing to admit that 'project' is a meaningless buzzword yet you freely admit that Wenger took on a project in the form of Arsenal, okay...So the question is why is it unfathomable for Pochettino to do a Wenger in that respect and stick around at Spurs? What makes you think that he will jump at the first opportunity if a club comes in for him? He's already rebuffed approaches by Man Utd before they got Mourinho. I think there's a little more too it then simply thinking that Poch will happily up sticks and leave Spurs at the click of a finger.
Yes. The problem is, some observers take a snapshot of how things stand and then make it an immutable state of affairs that they cannot conceive ever changing...even when changes has always been occurring and they know of it. For this reason, they find it inconceivable that a manager like Pochettino could join a club like Spurs with the intention of actually making the job the highest level.
For a start, he has absolutely made it clear in several interviews that for him success to aspire to is the management of the long term success of a club. So why some folk believe he just wants to jump around a few clubs buy some expensive players and win a few trophies is beyond me. He has actually publicly stated that he would like to do with us what Fergie did with United. Whether is can or not is a different matter, but personally I don't give a flying fahook if you (or anyone on Spurs community) believes that is impossible. All I care about is that he has the self-confidence and ability to aspire to it and is supported by the board. That's it.
Secondly, how can you still be oblivious to what has been going on at the club. All the investment in infrastructure, and the investment and development in the youth system are intended to drive us forward. If we have the second biggest, but potentially best stadium in the country, and upwardly mobile revenues, one of the best youth set-ups and some of the best training facilities around, and one of the best managers, why are you so resistant to the idea that that could make us a genuine force to be reckoned with. Long-term managerial stability, a steady supply of quality youth players, a clear structure and identity, players that identify with the club? Oh, yeah, some oil-mafioso clubs have more money.
If you believe he will be off like a shot, you can...I don't agree at all. The whole he left Southampton for a bigger club agenda has been shown over and over again to be complete and utter nonsense by anyone who actually paid any attention to what was going on at the time. He left because the board mugged off the Chairman who had brought Poch in, given him assurances about the inviolability of his squad*, and to whom Poch had went out on a limb to stress his personal loyalty to. At that point, having mugged the chairman off, they also publicly refused to give him any assurances about the exciting young squad he was developing. He was right to be suspicious, a suspicion that was the final impetus in his decision to leave...Southampton sold 8 (I believe) first team players that summer. Why was that important to Pochettino. Well the answer to that is fairly simple to anyone who actually understands what happened to him at Espanyol. An Espanyol man, he lost half of his mature players because the club was a financial mess. He promoted the youth and had them pushing up the table, playing an exciting brand of football. He achieved the seemingly impossible...defeating Guardiola's Barcelona (away, I believe). Guardiola was massively complimentary. And...the Espanyol board, still in an absolute mess financially, sold players from under him. So he got down to it and began developing more young players and again began getting plaudits. The board began selling them again - at which point even ultra loyal Pochettino had enough.
In fact, I find it unbelievable that anyone who knows anything about his managerial history and his many public pronouncements is still so obstinately insistent that all it will take is someone with a slightly bigger cheque book or history of recent success to make him abandon the project he has put so much work into, and clearly has so much faith in.
The elite clubs. And pray, at exactly which point when Mourinho joined the Chavs were they an elite club? They had a rich owner, true, threatening to spend money...but they were still a corrugated shack club with thug fans and little real respect. Hardly a club that could measure heir stature and history with us or the Goons, let alone Barca or RM. Or what about United when Fergie took over. A club who hadn't had any real success in decades. Certainly less successful recently successful than us, Everton or even (and I don't mean this disrespectfully) Nottingham Forest. They were still considered as members of the traditional Big Five, bu not an uber successful club that the likes of THFC cowered in the shadow of. Fergie's success has given the impression to some that that is how it always was, but it bloody well wasn't. They were utterly dwarfed by Liverpool...as were. Didn't stop them turning their power relations with Liverpool on its head, did it! And let's be clear, for all of this imagined immutability, if we finish above Liverpool this season it will be the seventh time in eight seasons; if we finish above United it will be the third time in four seasons! FFS, we have a genuine, if outside, chance at winning the title this season.
Sorry, but that's just fluff that surreptitiously prioritises your opinion.
You don't. He's rebuffed United*. It's in the public domain.
*Rebuffed them making it clear that he wants to emulate Fergie...at Tottenham.
Would it? Is that why Fergie waited for the Liverpool job to become vacant? Is that why he refused to take on totally underachieving perennial laughing stock managerial merry-go-round Manchester bloody United? You can see the same thing working with Clough, can't you...I mean, Forest were just so much inherently destined to win the European Cup twice die to their immutable elite status. If Klopp is such an elite coach, as plenty on here keep on insisting, it is remarkable that he took on a Liverpool club that had finished higher than sixth once in the last seven seasons, isn't it.
Sorry, I just think your whole concept of that an elite club is is too one dimensional. It seems to consist of two clubs in Spain who have been funding suspiciously and doped by the TV companies, preventing any other competition. Something Athletico have challenged in recent years by the stability of a managerial regime that is happy to fight for whatever it can get. Bayern, again due to lack of competition. And United because Fergie took them on an epoch defining career of success, and a couple financially doped oil-mafioso clubs.
More opinion prioritising bumph. It is perfectly possible to hold an opinion contrary to yours, incorporating a hell of a lot of knowledge and some relevant quotes.
Arsene Wenger expressed a belief that Pochettino could have won the CL with Southampton if he had been allowed to keep his squad together.
I don;t think you understand what type of manager Pochettino is. He is a manager who wants to assemble a group of young players and keep them together, forming their minds as well as their footballing skills in order to attain success. he has never, at any stage in his career shown signs of being Mourinho Mark 2, looking to migrate from one club willing to throw a huge amount of money at mature players for a couple of years success and then moving on to the next.
I have no absolute certainty that Pochettino would turn down, say, RM. But I just don't get your absolute certainty that he would. With ever single thing I know about him, I cannot conceive that he would enjoy being given a huge wedge of transfer money, told to assemble a squad and then shoved under a microscope by that impatient crew demanding immediate success.
This is worth 5 Stars.
I agree. The whole essence of Pochettino is building a strong bond between manager and players, and amongst the players themselves. That does not happen by job hopping, or hiring mercenaries.
My favorite story about Poch's time here, is the day Levy was at the training grounds for lunch and all the players came up to greet him. They were not just sucking up to the chairman. Pochettino has established such a culture in the club that they instinctively greet everyone - because it helps build bonds among the squad. Not all the players are best mates, but you can see how they respect each other, and how they fight for each other.
Poch will eventually leave, but it's not to chase higher wages, nor to go to a squad with high player turnover every season. Loyalty means something to Pochettino, and I think it means something to Levy too. Spurs are a family, and as long as that culture remains, I think Poch has no desire to leave.
Fuck. The only way to appropriately respond to this post is in the form of a gif.
This is why I like MoPo.
Mauricio Pochettino was among the first to get in touch after the Bournemouth game.
“Mauricio is the best coach, best manager and best person I’ve ever worked with,” says Rodriguez. “He knows how much I appreciate what he has done and what he still does for me. He constantly speaks to me. It is nice to hear that he is still supporting me and his staff are the same. He just wanted to improve you as a player and a person. He was always seeing things in a game that you were weak at but he also gave you that belief that you are a good player. He was an unbelievable manager and a person.”
Adam Lallana has said just about the same thing, that they talk regularly, and in their case rarely about football.
I like that he's so likeable.
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