The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[WiganSpur]

after reading these two articles im starting to warm to the idea of poch
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/10526?cc=5739
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/jan/18/southampton-mauricio-pochettino

Yet Spurs fans still ignore his ability. He's a great coach. If they'd have had Wanyama for the whole season they probably would have challenged us and Man Utd.

 

[JerryGarcia]

I don't care anymore, if it's one of the three (FDB, Poch, Rafa) i'd be very happy.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I'm just not a fan of his favoured 4-3-2-1 formation don't believe we have the players for it

 

[greaves]

that's not really de boer's thing though, is it? i thought he was from the pep guardiola school of scoring a goal = loss of possession.

Shame.

 

[HoltbiusMac]

I'm just not a fan of his favoured 4-3-2-1 formation don't believe we have the players for it

Really? I'd say that our squad is well set up to play 4-2-3-1. There's not a huge difference between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 anyway and that's what FDB, Pochettino or Benitez will likely play.

 

[dondo]

Soldado has worked hard off the ball this season and Dembo is probably our hardest working player off the ball I just think this season players have simply given up with the regime and stopped working for the manager.

Anyway I would be accept Pochettino. His teams work hard off the ball I think this is Spurs achilles heel and has been for a while we have simply in to many games been outworked. I think Poch would sort that out very quickly. I think hes also manager that works players hard on the training ground. I remember this quote, “He makes you work like a dog. Sometimes you feel like killing him, but it works,” said Osvaldo. [http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/10620555.Pochettino_shows_his_faith_in_Osvaldo/?ref=rc]

And I dont think we can take too much from the two defeats we gave S'oton I mean we beat Martinez's Wigan 9-0 and hes better a manager for it.

Soldado does press the ball at times but not always as you have to do if you are gonna play that way.
Dembele does work hard i never said he didnt, but imo he is too sluggish to press the ball quickly.

AVB and Sherwood wanted us to press the ball alot better as well. Remember reading stuff about avb prefered style and pressing the ball was a big part of it, but rarely can remember us doing it well under him, mainly imo because we dont have the midfield for it

 

[XSuicideBunnyX]

Soldado does press the ball at times but not always as you have to do if you are gonna play that way.
Dembele does work hard i never said he didnt, but imo he is too sluggish to press the ball quickly

Nobody presses effectively in our team because I don't think Tim bothers telling them too, then after Soldado or someone else spends 20 minutes chasing shadows with no team-mate help instead of the manager telling them to press in packs, they give up, saving their energy for attacking.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Really? I'd say that our squad is well set up to play 4-2-3-1. There's not a huge difference between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 anyway and that's what FDB, Pochettino or Benitez will likely play.

I just don't fancy it it's why Paulinho is awful this season being played to deep. For example

--------------Lloris------------
Walker----Vlad----Jan----Rose
----------------------------------
-------Sandro--Paulinho--------
----------------------------------
Lamela----Eriksen----Townsend
-----------------------------------
-----------Soldado---------------

Basically Avb's line up which would be the same with Pochettino.


Under FDB even with our current squad we could go

---------------Lloris-----------
Walker-----Vlad-----Jan-----Rose
------------------------------------
---------------Sandro------------
----Paulinho------------Eriksen---
-------------------------------------
Lamela------Soldado------Chadli


Or even

------------------Lloris-----------
Walker------Vlad------Jan-----Rose
------------------------------------
----------------Capoue------------
----Paulinho---------------Holtby---
-------------------------------------
Townsend------Adebayor-----Eriksen





Overall I just think FDB suits us more and our players who most at previous clubs when in a 4-3-3 were at their best

 

[dondo]

Nobody presses effectively in our team because I don't think Tim bothers telling them too, then after Soldado or someone else spends 20 minutes chasing shadows with no team-mate help instead of the manager telling them to press in packs, they give up, saving their energy for attacking.

Maybe im being harsh picking out individuals but as a team our pressing is poor, hope im wrong but I cant see any manager turning some of our big bulky players into a great pressing team

 

[neptunes]

With Poch & FDB it will be a slight improvement on Dim. However I believe we will not get CL footy. We should push for with Rafa in that case though I believe Martinez will be a good choice as well.

 

[parklane1]

He is a not just yet man.

Personally, I think he should stay at Southampton for a couple more seasons and learn more, IMO. It is great having a good first season, but I think he still needs to prove over time if he can keep on improving.

Agree, i think its more a case of flavour of the month so far with him.

 

[Mr Pink]

Agree, i think its more a case of flavour of the month so far with him.

Yeah, more like flavour of the last 18 months.

I honestly cringe when I see this remark thrown about with Pochettino.

Poyet alright, but Pochettino no way.

 

[Mr Pink]

He's my first choice. Would be very excited to see what he could do with this group of players. Has Southampton playing great football - fluid, dynamic and with real intensity.

Has proved over the last 18 months or so he's a very good coach, who was able to get across his ideas and methods pretty quickly, with a high degree of success.

 

[hodsgod]

He is a not just yet man.

Personally, I think he should stay at Southampton for a couple more seasons and learn more, IMO. It is great having a good first season, but I think he still needs to prove over time if he can keep on improving.

I have to agree, and the downside he may be the next big thing. I am really unsure of who I want, so many risks out there.

 

[TheGreenLily]

He's my first choice. Would be very excited to see what he could do with this group of players. Has Southampton playing great football - fluid, dynamic and with real intensity.

Has proved over the last 18 months or so he's a very good coach, who was able to get across his ideas and methods pretty quickly, with a high degree of success.

The thing is though, IMO, we need someone to come in who can bring a continuity to within all levels for the club, from the youth teams to the senior squad, a style of play all the way through. A well thought out, long term stratagem to develop the youth and bring them in. We do not have this, the youth play 4-3-3 (I believe), the seniors play, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or whatever.

Yes, Tino has done very well with Southampton, but does he have the ability to implement the sweeping changes to culture of the club that is needed, something FDB is prepared to bring, seeing as it is said he wants to take full control of the football side and youth setup. He wants to makes sure we do what Ajax does.

For me, it is not just about the first team, it is about the whole God damn structure and it seems to me that FDB wants to be involved in youth development. He is saying, I want players to do A, B and C, but right now they are doing X, Y and Z. I want someone to develop the same philosophy and footballing ethics, so when the youth take there first step in their first game for the seniors, the manager is not going to have say anything other than go out there and enjoy yourself, because they have been taught with the same philosophy as the seniors as the manager has told the youth trainers what he wants.

And I honestly believe Tino does not have the ability to do this, but I am not knocking his qualities as a manager as he is clearly doing something right at Southampton.

 

[mpickard2087]

The thing is though, IMO, we need someone to come in who can bring a continuity to within all levels for the club, from the youth teams to the senior squad, a style of play all the way through. A well thought out, long term stratagem to develop the youth and bring them in. We do not have this, the youth play 4-3-3 (I believe), the seniors play, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or whatever.

Yes, Tino has done very well with Southampton, but does he have the ability to implement the sweeping changes to culture of the club that is needed, something FDB is prepared to bring, seeing as it is said he wants to take full control of the football side and youth setup. He wants to makes sure we do what Ajax does.

For me, it is not just about the first team, it is about the whole God damn structure and it seems to me that FDB wants to be involved in youth development. He is saying, I want players to do A, B and C, but right now they are doing X, Y and Z. I want someone to develop the same philosophy and footballing ethics, so when the youth take there first step in their first game for the seniors, the manager is not going to have say anything other than go out there and enjoy yourself, because they have been taught with the same philosophy as the seniors as the manager has told the youth trainers what he wants.

And I honestly believe Tino does not have the ability to do this, but I am not knocking his qualities as a manager as he is clearly doing something right at Southampton.

Apparently at Espanyol he did take control/interest in the youth teams.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/jan/17/espanyol-la-liga-sid-lowe

Our youth structure isn't that bad at the moment, so I'm not sure it needs a massive amount of meddling with anyway, and I'd prefer it to be something run by the club rather than dominated by the (ever changing) head coach. Over recent years we have been developing players as well as any club in the country if you look at the different age groups and factor in both results and style of play/performance. The problem has been getting the players from the U18/U21 level to the first team.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Shouldn't there be a question of pressure? How well would MoPo cope. He's never had the expectancy (however unrealistic) and pressure put on him that comes with the job as Spurs manager, it's not just from the board but from the fans too whereas others have played for and/or managed clubs that demand success.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Apparently at Espanyol he did take control/interest in the youth teams.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2011/jan/17/espanyol-la-liga-sid-lowe

Our youth structure isn't that bad at the moment, so I'm not sure it needs meddling with anyway. Over recent years we have been developing players as well as any club in the country if you look at the different age groups and factor in both results and style of play/performance. The problem has been getting the players from the U18/U21 level to the first team.

Okay, then ask yourself this.

Where are lot of the players Ajax help developed playing now over the years?

Where are a lot of the players Spurs have developed over the years?

And who would you say has developed the greater number of players over the years who are said to be getting close too or in the world class bracket?

IMO, I don't want "It's that not that bad", I want "it's pretty damn fucking good".

 

[poc]

Nobody presses effectively in our team because I don't think Tim bothers telling them too, then after Soldado or someone else spends 20 minutes chasing shadows with no team-mate help instead of the manager telling them to press in packs, they give up, saving their energy for attacking.

A lot of our players press the ball that is not the issue, pressing as a team or at least in coordinated 2s and 3s is what they dont do. As for Sherwood not asking players to press ........... cmon I know there are a lot of haters but ffs the mans been in football all his life that comment is ridiculous.

 

[mpickard2087]

Okay, then ask yourself this.

Where are lot of the players Ajax help developed playing now over the years?

Where are a lot of the players Spurs have developed over the years?

And who would you say has developed the greater number of players over the years who are said to be getting close too or in the world class bracket?

It's not all down to de Boer though, is it? Fine he has been brought up in that system and tinkered with the training methods slightly, although all he did was revert back to previous methods, but Ajax have built up over 40/50 years the processes of scouting, identifying, choosing and developing their young players. If we really wanted to just copy their youth development then we may as well give Cruyff a blank cheque to become Technical Director if we wanted one person we felt would achieve this.

I think the manager/coach should fit the vision of the club, rather than the other way round. That's just my opinion on things. What happens when he fucks off a few years down the line? Who runs things then, and with a new guy does he change things? The chairman/DOF/Academy director need to run things like this, much healthier in the long term to me.