The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[Larryjanta]

knows the league
makes players better
has overachieved
playa good football

 

[dondo]

He's my first choice. Would be very excited to see what he could do with this group of players. Has Southampton playing great football - fluid, dynamic and with real intensity.

Has proved over the last 18 months or so he's a very good coach, who was able to get across his ideas and methods pretty quickly, with a high degree of success.

I agree he has done a good job at Southampton but I would like to know how his former club espanol played? If it was tthe same way? To judge if southampton play is down to him or its because they have a good crop of players that came through together

 

[cockeral]

I agree he has done a good job at Southampton but I would like to know how his former club espanol played? If it was tthe same way? To judge if southampton play is down to him or its because they have a good crop of players that came through together

You can also judge how the past manager did with those similar players. Basically Adkins failed and did have them playing to their potentials.

 

[TheGreenLily]

It's not all down to de Boer though, is it? Fine he has been brought up in that system and tinkered with the training methods slightly, although all he did was revert back to previous methods, but Ajax have built up over 40/50 years the processes of scouting, identifying, choosing and developing their young players. If we really wanted to just copy their youth development then we may as well give Cruyff a blank cheque to become Technical Director if we wanted one person we felt would achieve this.

I never said it was all him, but I would love for him to come, bring the philosophy and bring in the people that can implement it and he has the knowledge to achieve the this.

It is a no brainer.

And who says he wants to leave after a few years? From what I am hearing, I think he is after a long term appointment to really build a long lasting legacy (not gonna happen with Levy though). And if he does decide to go, at least the structure will be in place.

I think the manager/coach should fit the vision of the club, rather than the other way round. That's just my opinion on things. What happens when he fucks off a few years down the line? Who runs things then, and with a new guy does he change things? The chairman/DOF/Academy director need to run things like this, much healthier in the long term to me.

We don't have a vision at the club at the moment, not unless you include chaos. All we have is Levy's pitch to con people to come work at the club, whilst he screws them over left right and centre and undermines the very reason why they come to the club to manage.

 

[Firsttouch]

This is what I wrote a couple of weeks back...

I agree with everything you but regarding this quote I disagree........"Not only that but he has managed to coach a clearly definiable style of play in little over a season and half with very minimal squad changes. A squad that under Atkins looked, at the very least, set for a relegation battle".


Watching Southampton last year I thought they had exciting brand of football under Adkins and I believe he was unlucky to get the chop, obviously Adkins could not work with a DOF or Cortese!

Southampton have been trying to play a Barca brand of football for years and have been financing their youth team for a long time, since Clive Woodward got was involved.
Not that I don't think Pochettino is not a good manager but I do believe that he is the one who benefitted the most from Soton's long term strategy which has only really started to bear fruit.

 

[dondo]

You can also judge how the past manager did with those similar players. Basically Adkins failed and did have them playing to their potentials.

He has clearly done better than adkins and done a very good job but its 1 job, ramos did v well in spain in 1 job , avb did well porto in 1 job and both were useless for us

 

[Firsttouch]

He has clearly done better than adkins and done a very good job but its 1 job, ramos did v well in spain in 1 job , avb did well porto in 1 job and both were useless for us

You can also judge how the past manager did with those similar players. Basically Adkins failed and did have them playing to their potentials.

Where has this presumption that Adkins failed at Soton come from ??

back2back promotion's from league one, he signed Lallana and also was doing not bad for Soton's 1st time in the to flight since Le Tiss.... they certainly was not bottom!

Lol Maybe we should go for Adkins

 

[TheGreenLily]

Watching Southampton last year I thought they had exciting brand of football under Adkins and I believe he was unlucky to get the chop, obviously Adkins could not work with a DOF or Cortese!

Southampton have been trying to play a Barca brand of football for years and have been financing their youth team for a long time, since Clive Woodward got was involved.

Not that I don't think Pochettino is not a good manager but I do believe that he is the one who benefited the most from Soton's long term strategy which has only really started to bear fruit.

Exactly why I would like us to bring FDB, he has the ability to develop youth team and will bring the people to achieve that, I think if we get Tino it will just be about the first team and not much more. Where as FDB he wants to control of the lot if what people have said is correct. We need this, we need that structure through the football side of things, we need Levy to stop interfering in the football side of things. Glenn Hoddle was so correct in the pod cast.

 

[dondo]

Where has this presumption that Adkins failed at Soton come from ??

I never said he failed? I said Pochettino did better since he took over, which he clear has

 

[idontgetit]

Really? I'd say that our squad is well set up to play 4-2-3-1. There's not a huge difference between 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 anyway and that's what FDB, Pochettino or Benitez will likely play.

Think we're better suited to 4-3-3. Not many of our DM pairings looked very good this year, none of them have much in the way of aggressive passing skills. 4-3-3 allows us to get players like Holtby and Eriksen on the ball deeper without leaving us vulnerable at the back

 

[cockeral]

Where has this presumption that Adkins failed at Soton come from ??

back2back promotion's from league one, he signed Lallana and also was doing not bad for Soton's 1st time in the to flight since Le Tiss.... they certainly was not bottom!

Lol Maybe we should go for Adkins

They were heading for relegation. He quite clearly wasn't a perm league quality manager.

 

[idontgetit]

I just don't fancy it it's why Paulinho is awful this season being played to deep. For example

--------------Lloris------------
Walker----Vlad----Jan----Rose
----------------------------------
-------Sandro--Paulinho--------
----------------------------------
Lamela----Eriksen----Townsend
-----------------------------------
-----------Soldado---------------

Basically Avb's line up which would be the same with Pochettino.


Under FDB even with our current squad we could go

---------------Lloris-----------
Walker-----Vlad-----Jan-----Rose
------------------------------------
---------------Sandro------------
----Paulinho------------Eriksen---
-------------------------------------
Lamela------Soldado------Chadli


Or even

------------------Lloris-----------
Walker------Vlad------Jan-----Rose
------------------------------------
----------------Capoue------------
----Paulinho---------------Holtby---
-------------------------------------
Townsend------Adebayor-----Eriksen





Overall I just think FDB suits us more and our players who most at previous clubs when in a 4-3-3 were at their best

If that's true then definitely FdB. I had always thought Southampton played 4-3-3 though for some reason

 

[Firsttouch]

I never said he failed? I said Pochettino did better since he took over, which he clear has

Not exactly Adkins only got 4/5 months in the Prem before he got replaced.

and Southamton Was 15th at the time of his sacking.... they finished 14th under Pochettino!

 

[Firsttouch]

They were heading for relegation. He quite clearly wasn't a perm league quality manager.

I think their was at minimum 3 worse teams than them last season.

 

[dondo]

Not exactly Adkins only got 4/5 months in the Prem before he got replaced.

And for the rest of that season and the next season Pochettino did better

 

[EQP]

I just don't fancy it it's why Paulinho is awful this season being played to deep. For example

--------------Lloris------------
Walker----Vlad----Jan----Rose
----------------------------------
-------Sandro--Paulinho--------
----------------------------------
Lamela----Eriksen----Townsend
-----------------------------------
-----------Soldado---------------

Basically Avb's line up which would be the same with Pochettino.

Brazil play 4231 tho, and paulinho plays in the CM role next to Gustavo. Difference being that he's coached differently for Brazil and the tactics/formations are instructed differently. I think we could still work with a 4231 as long as the head coach accounts for the strengths of each player.

 

[cockeral]

I think their was at minimum 3 worse teams than them last season.

There may have been, but he wasn't getting results and kept losing.

 

[Firsttouch]

There may have been, but he wasn't getting results and kept losing.

They was 15th in the Prem playing very expansive attacking football not to different to how they play now and under Pochettino they finished 14th.

Let me say again It's not that I think Pochettino is not a good manager.

 

[dantheyid]

So many people keep on about tuchel but dont want pochettino?
So we cum In our pants about a young talented foreign manager of Mainz in an average league coming 7th/8th with no premier league experience but turn our noses up at a young talented foreign manager with premier league experience?

Yep that sounds like spurs fans

 

[dondo]

Not exactly Adkins only got 4/5 months in the Prem before he got replaced.

and Southamton Was 15th at the time of his sacking.... they finished 14th under Pochettino!

Are you mr adkins? you seem to be going over the top at a very minor criticism of him