The Poch has been confirmed as manager thread!

[XSuicideBunnyX]

A lot of our players press the ball that is not the issue, pressing as a team or at least in coordinated 2s and 3s is what they dont do. As for Sherwood not asking players to press ........... cmon I know there are a lot of haters but ffs the mans been in football all his life that comment is ridiculous.

And him being a footballer might mean that he thinks it would be obvious to a football player that pressing in teams is the way to go, but his lack of tactical nous might stop him realising/implementing this.

It's just my thoughts that Tim hasn't explicitly done team pressing with our squad, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter why we aren't team pressing, it just matters that we aren't team pressing.

 

[Firsttouch]

Are you mr adkins? you seem to be going over the top at a very minor criticism of him

I knew someone would say

Just saying that maybe Southampton's relative success may NOT be down solely to pochettino.

 

[Firsttouch]

knows the league
makes players better
has overachieved
playa good football

This

 

[moomin]

Poch will be our Martinez

 

[whitesocks]

He speaks English....

....badly.

No thanks - I've too many bad memories from the Ramos era.

 

[Hitch]

Has Balague's article been posted yet? Just a small one but he's known to have a close relationship with Poch so it probably represents reasonable accuracy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ager-mauricio-pochettino-at-career-crossroads

 

[Blake Griffin]

....badly.

No thanks - I've too many bad memories from the Ramos era.

that was a year ago, i imagine his english will have improved since.

 

[Mr Pink]

The thing is though, IMO, we need someone to come in who can bring a continuity to within all levels for the club, from the youth teams to the senior squad, a style of play all the way through. A well thought out, long term stratagem to develop the youth and bring them in. We do not have this, the youth play 4-3-3 (I believe), the seniors play, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or whatever.

Yes, Tino has done very well with Southampton, but does he have the ability to implement the sweeping changes to culture of the club that is needed, something FDB is prepared to bring, seeing as it is said he wants to take full control of the football side and youth setup. He wants to makes sure we do what Ajax does.

For me, it is not just about the first team, it is about the whole God damn structure and it seems to me that FDB wants to be involved in youth development. He is saying, I want players to do A, B and C, but right now they are doing X, Y and Z. I want someone to develop the same philosophy and footballing ethics, so when the youth take there first step in their first game for the seniors, the manager is not going to have say anything other than go out there and enjoy yourself, because they have been taught with the same philosophy as the seniors as the manager has told the youth trainers what he wants.

And I honestly believe Tino does not have the ability to do this, but I am not knocking his qualities as a manager as he is clearly doing something right at Southampton.

Mate Ajax have been successful in that respect for years, that hasn't just happened with FDB coming in, has it? Its not like he didn't have excellent conditions in that respect to start of with.

Not taking anything away from him by the way, he's clearly done an excellent job on the face of it, but don't I think its necessarily the most important requirement either.

Anyhow, what makes you think Levy, an extremely hands on chairman is going to give someone full control on such matters. And yes I know this is/could be part of our problem.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Hotspur Related ‏@HotspurRelated 9m
Sunday Express believe Mauricio Pochettino is on the verge of walking out on Southampton as links with Tottenham grow. #THFC

 

[Mr Pink]

Has Balague's article been posted yet? Just a small one but he's known to have a close relationship with Poch so it probably represents reasonable accuracy.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ager-mauricio-pochettino-at-career-crossroads

Yep, the term intensity frequently pops up in that article, which is the first word that springs to mind when I think of Southampton.

 

[Hitch]

Which ever way we go out of Poch and De Boer I think I shall live in fear of the one we don't choose doing a Rodgers/Martinez on us.

I've been set on Poch from the start but knowing us he'll be out within 18 months and FDB will turn out the new Guardiola...or vice-versa if we appoint the latter. Decide to pick someone else entirely and no doubt they'll both end up managerial mega legends.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Mate Ajax have been successful in that respect for years, that hasn't just happened with FDB coming in, has it? Its not like he didn't have excellent conditions in that respect to start of with.

Not taking anything away from him by that way, he's clearly done an excellent job on the face of it, but don't I think its necessarily the most important requirement either.

Anyhow, what makes you think Levy, an extremely hands on chairman is going to give someone full control on such matters. And yes I know this is/could be part of our problem.

Never said it was, my point being is that he has the knowledge and experience at all levels which he can bring to the club.

Why are people suggesting that I said that Ajax was all down to FDB? I didn't, it is the knowledge and experience he can bring and he wants to control from top to bottom, unify the infrastructure on the football side between age groups, which is what the club needs.

Damn it

 

[TheGreenLily]

Mate Ajax have been successful in that respect for years, that hasn't just happened with FDB coming in, has it? Its not like he didn't have excellent conditions in that respect to start of with.

Not taking anything away from him by that way, he's clearly done an excellent job on the face of it, but don't I think its necessarily the most important requirement either.

Anyhow, what makes you think Levy, an extremely hands on chairman is going to give someone full control on such matters. And yes I know this is/could be part of our problem.

As for this bit, I am not knocking Tino's ability as manager.

For me if Tino gets hired, it is simply because he is Levy yes man, Levy will continue his scatter gun approach to buying players, the team be for imbalanced and the cluster fuck would continue. It wouldn't be a slant on Tino, but rather a conformation of Levy's mind set, that Glenn Hoddle spoke about in the pod cast.

If Levy signs FDB and give him the control FDB wants than that would to me be an indication that Levy is stepping back from the footballing side and trusting the manager and putting his faith in him. Regardless of how smaller chance that Levy might not fuck it up again.

For it is just so much more than just the first team, so much much more.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

Tuchel is my number 1 pick as I'm confident he will go on to manage the best teams in the world. He will prove better than Klopp.

All of FdB/Poch/Rafa/etc have their upsides and downsides but if we get one of the four in this post I'd be happy.

 

[Spurger King]

Positives:

Attractive football
Doesn't have a name that can be reduced to three letters
Looks cuddly
Would communicate well with our Spanish-speaking players
Likes 4-2-3-1

Negatives:

Not got a great deal of experience
Hasn't really achieved anything (see above)
Won't be easy to warm to if he continues to use a translator
Hasn't got the reputation to bring in top players
Hasn't got the reputation to keep our best players
Looks like he could be in a boy band...as the chubby song-writer
Doesn't seem able to change a game when his team is losing

 

[night-watchman]

I agree with everything you but regarding this quote I disagree........"Not only that but he has managed to coach a clearly definiable style of play in little over a season and half with very minimal squad changes. A squad that under Atkins looked, at the very least, set for a relegation battle".


Watching Southampton last year I thought they had exciting brand of football under Adkins and I believe he was unlucky to get the chop, obviously Adkins could not work with a DOF or Cortese!

Southampton have been trying to play a Barca brand of football for years and have been financing their youth team for a long time, since Clive Woodward got was involved.
Not that I don't think Pochettino is not a good manager but I do believe that he is the one who benefitted the most from Soton's long term strategy which has only really started to bear fruit.

Completely agree re. Adkins. What a lot of people forget about Southampton under Adkins last season was that they had an absolutely brutal fixture list at the start of the season. Considering that, and that a lot of his team came from League 1, I thought he did very well and his sacking was extremely harsh.

 

[myhartlane]

I'd rather have Gus Poyet

 

[THOWIG]

I'm stunned at some of the negative comments of him. He's an outstanding coach who has improved some very ordinary players immeasurably.

Watch Southampton's recent game against Everton and tell me you don't dream to watch Spurs play in the same fashion. Check out their game at the Emirates too.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I'd rather have Gus Poyet

Incredible Sunderland recovery, but that sort of magic has often been confined to one season for teams who battle the drop. He was only decent at Brighton.

I still find it difficult to separate his face from memories of Ramos. Plus, his support of Suarez was just fucking weird. I can sort of understand supporting him over the racism issue (although I don't really, as I do not believe that ignorance can be used as a defence), but backing him over the biting incident (the second of Suarez's career) was just strange.

Not to mention that he accused Evra of "Crying like a baby" over the issue, and said that he wasn't half as perturbed by the racism he received himself as a player in Spain as Evra was in the UK.

A PR disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I'm stunned at some of the negative comments of him. He's an outstanding coach who has improved some very ordinary players immeasurably.

Watch Southampton's recent game against Everton and tell me you don't dream to watch Spurs play in the same fashion. Check out their game at the Emirates too.

Spurs fans hate taking a manager whose last job was in the Premiership apparently.