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davidmatzdorf

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Thanks, your links worked today.

They are debating fine points of policy on the whether there is a loss of affordable housing that enables the council to use the policy it has used to refuse the application.

Appeals are often decided on fine technical and legal points remote from the substance of the real objections to the scheme. This one looks as if it's going that way.

And the Planning Inspectors are a law unto themselves. They frequently come to an apparently perverse decision, based on a peripheral consideration or technicality that no one on either side thought was one of the main issues.
 

buckley

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I believe that if the council worked in unison with spurs as the junior partner the whole area could be improved; but unfortunately there is a man called Lammy who seems to have the intellect of a snail and the brains of a slug and his only aim seems to be to make political points out of every situation and sees himself of some kind of vanguard for the working class man .
When in fact he has done nothing but put barriers up to stop regeneration he is the main obstacle in the way of improvement .
The last I heard the tenants in the plot of land between white hart lane station and the stadium had voted in majority to vacate their dwellings with the promise of being rehoused somewhere else with the opportunity to move back for some when the new build was complete. Mr Lammy has been consistent in his opposition to making this happen when he originally agreed to do all he could to make this happen .This obviously was only rhetoric to make sure Spurs stayed in Tottenham and now the stadium is built he has no more need to tow the line with Levy vision. Until some kind of central government intervention is forthcoming things in Tottenham will just stagnate .The promises of the government after the riots was to fund regeneration and from what I can see this has not happened but perhaps someone with more knowledge of the area can let me know if my views are correct or not.
 

arnoldlayne

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I believe that if the council worked in unison with spurs as the junior partner the whole area could be improved; but unfortunately there is a man called Lammy who seems to have the intellect of a snail and the brains of a slug and his only aim seems to be to make political points out of every situation and sees himself of some kind of vanguard for the working class man .
When in fact he has done nothing but put barriers up to stop regeneration he is the main obstacle in the way of improvement .
The last I heard the tenants in the plot of land between white hart lane station and the stadium had voted in majority to vacate their dwellings with the promise of being rehoused somewhere else with the opportunity to move back for some when the new build was complete. Mr Lammy has been consistent in his opposition to making this happen when he originally agreed to do all he could to make this happen .This obviously was only rhetoric to make sure Spurs stayed in Tottenham and now the stadium is built he has no more need to tow the line with Levy vision. Until some kind of central government intervention is forthcoming things in Tottenham will just stagnate .The promises of the government after the riots was to fund regeneration and from what I can see this has not happened but perhaps someone with more knowledge of the area can let me know if my views are correct or not.

This is absolute drivel and is merely you taking an opportunity to have a go at somebody you do not like, for reasons which I suspect are dishonourable.

Try and understand the difference between the role of the MP and role of the local council - or is that beyond you?

As for the "intellect of a snail", perhaps you'd care to share your outstanding resumé and compare yourself to the Harvard Master's graduate and barrister.

Absolute waste of a post
 

buckley

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Well I have met the man many times and I don't care how many degrees he has because he is an arrogant rude dipstick and also all the education in the world does not give you common sense .
So I was asking if someone had better knowledge than me regards the regeneration pf the area if you have such knowledge please enlighten me what I know is only patchwork. But don't try to tell me this man is the right MP for this area because he is not.
If you want to defend this chap fine but don't do so by having a go at me ;explain to me what this super educated man has done for the area and general regeneration from what I have witnessed and seen it is very little but he has put plenty of obstacles in the way.
 

THFCSPURS19

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But don't try to tell me this man is the right MP for this area because he is not.
He's been the MP for Tottenham since 2000, and at the last election got 81.6% of the votes, equalling around 35,000 more votes than the second-placed candidate. The constituents seem to be more than happy.
 

arnoldlayne

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He's been the MP for Tottenham since 2000, and at the last election got 81.6% of the votes, equalling around 35,000 more votes than the second-placed candidate. The constituents seem to be more than happy.
I suspect there are many reasons for Lammy being criticised - and I suspect that most of them are related to the less savoury aspects of human beliefs. Maybe we should compare him to the blessed BoJo - the man who wasted millions on vanity projects that are now found to be a complete waste of effort and time; or the genius Grayling who has managed to lose the country billions.
Lammy has a duty to stand up for his constituents - and he has to ensure Spurs do what is right for the whole community and not just for Spurs. However, a lot of the problems are related to the council - which Lammy has no power or authority over - as it's local government - his job is to represent the area to the national government.
 

Stamford

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Well I have met the man many times and I don't care how many degrees he has because he is an arrogant rude dipstick and also all the education in the world does not give you common sense .
So I was asking if someone had better knowledge than me regards the regeneration pf the area if you have such knowledge please enlighten me what I know is only patchwork. But don't try to tell me this man is the right MP for this area because he is not.
If you want to defend this chap fine but don't do so by having a go at me ;explain to me what this super educated man has done for the area and general regeneration from what I have witnessed and seen it is very little but he has put plenty of obstacles in the way.

Undoubtedly the right man for the area. We're quite happy with him
 

THFCSPURS19

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I suspect there are many reasons for Lammy being criticised - and I suspect that most of them are related to the less savoury aspects of human beliefs. Maybe we should compare him to the blessed BoJo - the man who wasted millions on vanity projects that are now found to be a complete waste of effort and time; or the genius Grayling who has managed to lose the country billions.
Lammy has a duty to stand up for his constituents - and he has to ensure Spurs do what is right for the whole community and not just for Spurs. However, a lot of the problems are related to the council - which Lammy has no power or authority over - as it's local government - his job is to represent the area to the national government.
It's like when MPs get blamed for knife crime in an area. An MP has no control over this, and people who think they do have no understanding of what an MPs role is.
 
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RichieS

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It's like when MPs get blamed for knife crime in an area. An MP has no control over this, and people who think they do have no understanding of what an MPs role is.
People not understanding the role of their MP is one of the reasons we're in the middle of a total clusterfuck politically.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Also posted in the Stadium Thread.

The Club have won the Planning Appeal for the Goods Yard Development.

https://www.goodsyardtottenham.co.uk/

Spurs 1 Haringey 0 AET.

https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewCase.aspx?caseid=3204591
Here's a link to an article in "Building Design", a weekly industry magazine, about the appeal decision.

If it's behind a paywall, I might be able to paste in the text.

The article concentrates on the Planning Inspector's decision as it dealt with the balance between "damage to heritage assets" (the existing station master’s house and the Grade-II listed Grange building) and the benefit to the neighbourhood generally. He considered that the benefit clearly outweighed the damage.

There's no mention of the affordable housing - that might be because the S.106 was agreed and signed off before the appeal took place, so it was no longer a matter of contention.

https://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/spurs-scores-appeal-win-on-housing-scheme/5100558.article?
 

davidmatzdorf

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Any idea of the financial benefit to the club of winning this appeal?
Initially, the land would typically increase in value by 70%-100% as a result of having planning consent for a residential development. I'm assuming the club already owns all the land for the project.

The eventual profit depends on whether the club carries out the development directly or in partnership with a residential developer - or even sells the land with the benefit of the planning consent.

Most importantly, it depends on the state of the housing market when the 300+ flats and houses are completed and are sold. That would be a guess at present, as the London property market is unstable.

On the likely assumption that THFC has owned this land for quite a few years and acquired it at a value related to its then-existing use, rather than its development potential, it's hard not to make a profit on a residential development in London when your land value is negligible.
 

Wine Gum

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New Planning Application for the old Sainsbury's store (now B&M store) site.

http://www.planningservices.ha...ationSearchServlet?PKID=381957

Hybrid planning application (part Full/Part Outline) for the demolition of existing buildings & structures and redevelopment of the site for a residential led mixed use scheme with up to 330 residential units (class C3), retail/cafe use (Use Class A1/A3), area of new public open space, landscaping and other associated works. Full details/permission is sought in respect of Block D, 867 and 869 High Road (Grade II listed) and proposed Block G to its rear. Outline permission is sought for the remainder of the site, with details of "scale", "layout", "appearance" and "landscaping" reserved in relation to proposed Blocks A, B and C and details of "appearance" and "landscaping" only reserved in relation to Block E.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS LETTER IS ALSO CONSULTING YOU ON THE FOLLOWING APPLICATION FOR LISTED BUILDING CONSENT AT 867 AND 869 HIGH ROAD:

Internal alterations and associated works to provide 6 x 2 bedroom flats at 867 and 869 High Road (reference HGY/2019/2930)
 

coys200

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What’s the actual deal with these property developments. Does all profit go to the club or they set up a separate company.
 
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