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Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by tototoner, Jan 29, 2014.
It was just a perfectly judged kick...
I'd give him a quid if he could do it again!
I thought it looked out but like the ref said, you can’t definitively tell either way.
You thought it was out?!?
Well I never.
They definitely need to clamp down on back chat to the ref. Today was really bad - Beale, Hooper, Farrell, and lets not get started on Cheika...
To be fair Welsh television does move the ball into touch when it’s England.
Even when every other angle available clearly shows it wasn’t in touch.
Clearly shows? Is that what the ref said? I might have misheard.
I heard the ref say that it was a try having looked at it for about 5 minutes.
All that counts mate.
I think the ref said there’s no clear indication that the ball was out of touch just as there was no clear indication that the ball was in.
I prefer they give benefit if the doubt to the attacking team, though. Just take issue with people saying it was clearly not in touch though I’m not surprised as you all said North was in touch (when he wasn’t) in that wakes England game a year or 2 ago.
I thought a tiny fraction of the ball looked like it touched a tiny part of the line but you can’t tell from any of the angles shown as none of them were close enough.
The only thing that would’ve resolved it would’ve been if there was some tennis/hawkeye thing. Actually, don’t know why we don’t have that in rugby tbh.
Yeah the word ‘clearly’ was probably wrong but when they’ve looked at it that many times you have to accept the decision.
It was brilliant play from Daly either way.
Was excellent to see Cheika so annoyed.
Oh yeah, no doubt. Like I say, I much rather the attacking team is given benefit of the doubt when the TMO can’t definitively say either way whether that be a grounding or a foot/ball in touch.
On a separate note, following on from our discussion the other day, In the Wales v Georgia game (around 10/20mins in) Georgia got a penalty for the most non aggressive clear out you will ever see. It was literally ridiculous. Obviously it didn’t really matter re the game but this is exactly the shit I’m talking about in terms of how I see the game being reffed moving forward.
Mind you, the standard of refereeing is so inconsistent that you don’t know what you’re going to get one game to the next. I suppose that’s always been the case, though.
There was only one frame where it looked close to being in touch, and even then when it was magnified there looked to be maybe a centimetre of green between the ball and the touchline. In a situation like that you have to have clear proof that the ball was out, just like there needed to be clear proof that Hooper was offside for his disallowed try, and had Moore not obstructed Robshaw they would have looked for clear proof that the ball had been held up rather than being grounded. Ultimately if Beale hadn't assumed it was going out and given up on it then there wouldn't even be a discussion.
Agree with most of that. Not sure about the centimetre bit but I’m not saying the wrong decision was made just that with the angles available nothing was 100% conclusive. Having said that, you’re right, with the views available there was no clear proof that it was out and that’s what he said.
It’s not anything like as bad as the North incident last year, who was clearly not in touch as proved by the replays (which were a lot closer IIRC than the Beale incident)
So I've now caught up with the highlights and news from some of the other Internationals this weekend.
Ireland - Good win for a young team against a very good Fiji team. Showing that they've got strength in depth which will be crucial in the World Cup build up.
Wales - Showing exactly the opposite, they have very little strength in depth in many positions. Good to see them nicely manipulating the rules around substitutes to help them hang on though rather than being on the wrong end of it as they were against France.
Scotland - Played very well and were so close to a win, but that really could be their motto in recent years. World class from Beauden Barrett again to stop that Hogg break, but New Zealand are there for the taking at the moment.
So a cast iron Wales win next week, you reckon? Ought to be ashamed of themselves if it's less than a 20 point gap?
Yes I should have caveated that with who the opposition is.
It's a real shame we haven't seen the All Blacks versus either Ireland or England in this series.
It's also very annoying that the Scotland v Australia game next weekend is at the same time that I'll be at Twickenham watching a reserve England team v Samoa. I think Scotland have to get something out of that.
It'll be an interesting game (S v A). Can't call it tbh.
I don't think I'd play a reserve team against Samoa (and not only because it's the whole of Samoa these days). But I'd certainly start some of the finishers - Jamie George springs to mind.
Well yes when I say a 'reserve' team that'll still be pretty strong.
We'll presumably see most of the 'finishers' starting in this game, so starts for Care, Marler, George, Slade, as well as hopefully some more minutes for Simmonds and maybe Underhill if he has recovered.
On that note Underhill really needs to sort out his tackling technique. It's very effective in stopping players most of the time, but will undoubtedly result in him missing lots of games due to injury.
Scotland probably would have won if Read had been binned and a potential penalty try given for his deliberate knock on whilst on the floor in front of his own posts instead of the knock on wrongly being given against Gray. They'd have been 5 points behind with about 8 minutes to go against 13 men for the rest of the game.
Yeah that was a classic bit of New Zealand 'dark arts' (known in other countries as cheating).
Really not sure how the ref didn't see it as it was right in front of him.
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