The Rugby Thread

[E17yid]

Ah ha.

Now we get to the bottom of it.

He once 'picked a fight' with golden boy so therefore is on the shit list forever in Wales.

Say no more.

Ok mate. Ignore everything else then.

 

[E17yid]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43026443

Interesting.

So we shouldn't have even been looking at the grounding.

Scratch that one off the excuse list Wales!

Seriously though why do the TV people have the frame by frame but not the TMO?

Ah, on the troll again.

He makes some fair points in the article about us not being clinical. As already covered with Arnie, there is no way to tell if we would’ve won or not. Not like it was a 80min incident. It’s was 25mins on the clock.

Haven’t seen it frame by frame and, again, no way to tell how that call would’ve gone if he did see it frame by frame. Might have decided there was no clear knock on or no knock on at all. I’m sceptical myself but would need to see what he has seen.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Ah, on the troll again.

He makes some fair points in the article about us not being clinical. As already covered with Arnie, there is no way to tell if we would’ve won or not. Not like it was a 80min incident. It’s was 25mins on the clock.

Haven’t seen it frame by frame and, again, no way to tell how that call would’ve gone if he did see it frame by frame. Might have decided there was no clear knock on or no knock on at all. I’m sceptical myself but would need to see what he has seen.

Not trolling at all. Not sure how posting the views of a BBC pundit on the most controversial incident of the weekend can be considered trolling.

I think it just shows that the whole outcry around it being 'a terrible mistake' is massively OTT and actually it was a decision that could have gone either way.

Certainly no more of a mistake than the TMO missing the forward pass for Evans' try last week (for example).

And I'm not bringing this up as trolling either (honestly) but one of the rugby podcasts I listen to (which contains a Welsh presenter so hold the calls of English bias) was questioning AWJ's role in the result on Saturday.

They said that whilst his performance was magnificent (as it was), his decision making as captain was actually pretty poor. He left a relatively easy 6 points on the pitch in the first half which actually would have made much more of a difference than the phantom try.

I know they didn't have *nickname retracted* on the pitch, but they would have been kickable penalties so it was slightly odd that AWJ decided not to take the points.

 

[E17yid]

Not trolling at all. Not sure how posting the views of a BBC pundit on the most controversial incident of the weekend can be considered trolling.

I think it just shows that the whole outcry around it being 'a terrible mistake' is massively OTT and actually it was a decision that could have gone either way.

Certainly no more of a mistake than the TMO missing the forward pass for Evans' try last week (for example).

And I'm not bringing this up as trolling either (honestly) but one of the rugby podcasts I listen to (which contains a Welsh presenter so hold the calls of English bias) was questioning AWJ's role in the result on Saturday.

They said that whilst his performance was magnificent (as it was), his decision making as captain was actually pretty poor. He left a relatively easy 6 points on the pitch in the first half which actually would have made much more of a difference than the phantom try.

I know they didn't have *nickname retracted* on the pitch, but they would have been kickable penalties so it was slightly odd that AWJ decided not to take the points.

I was referring to the bold bit.

Having no goal kicker massively effected those decisions. I’m sure if LH was on the pitch we would’ve gone for goal.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I was referring to the bold bit.

Having no goal kicker massively effected those decisions. I’m sure if LH was on the pitch we would’ve gone for goal.

It was a tongue in cheek comment. If you think that's trolling then you're as guilty of it as everyone else so I'd be a little bit careful throwing that term around.

And if you're right on the second part then I suppose well-played Eddie Jones. Patchell had already missed a penalty by that stage and presumably didn't fancy having another go.

I do think AWJ has to go for the points in both of those situations. In a game as tight as that 6 points is massive, so to not even try is a poor captaincy call.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09s35mm/scrum-v-six-nations-2018-11022018

There's the link for the video that shows the ball hitting Evans' hand by the way. Watch from 11.45. Clearly touches his fingers and then the ball goes forwards so the grounding was irrelevant.

So right decision made, albeit for the wrong reason.

 

[E17yid]

It was a tongue in cheek comment. If you think that's trolling then you're as guilty of it as everyone else so I'd be a little bit careful throwing that term around.

And if you're right on the second part then I suppose well-played Eddie Jones. Patchell had already missed a penalty by that stage and presumably didn't fancy having another go.

I do think AWJ has to go for the points in both of those situations. In a game as tight as that 6 points is massive, so to not even try is a poor captaincy call.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09s35mm/scrum-v-six-nations-2018-11022018

There's the link for the video that shows the ball hitting Evans' hand by the way. Watch from 11.45. Clearly touches his fingers and then the ball goes forwards so the grounding was irrelevant.

So right decision made, albeit for the wrong reason.

Well done Eddie. Lol.

Ok mate.

 

[E17yid]

It was a tongue in cheek comment. If you think that's trolling then you're as guilty of it as everyone else so I'd be a little bit careful throwing that term around.

And if you're right on the second part then I suppose well-played Eddie Jones. Patchell had already missed a penalty by that stage and presumably didn't fancy having another go.

I do think AWJ has to go for the points in both of those situations. In a game as tight as that 6 points is massive, so to not even try is a poor captaincy call.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09s35mm/scrum-v-six-nations-2018-11022018

There's the link for the video that shows the ball hitting Evans' hand by the way. Watch from 11.45. Clearly touches his fingers and then the ball goes forwards so the grounding was irrelevant.

So right decision made, albeit for the wrong reason.

Bollocks is that clearly a knock on. Guscott even days himself he’s not sure could be a slither could be a mountain or some shit. Majority of people still say it was a try but I’m past caring now, it wasn’t given and that’s all that matters.

As Anscombe said, we had opportunity’s to correct the mistake the TMO made but didn’t take them.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Well done Eddie. Lol.

Ok mate.

To be fair I don't think he got into Patchell's head.

I think he did that to himself because he didn't look ready for that level.

Hope he continues to be picked in the tournament though as the only way he'll get used to that pressure is by playing.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Bollocks is that clearly a knock on. Guscott even days himself he’s not sure could be a slither could be a mountain or some shit. Majority of people still say it was a try but I’m past caring now, it wasn’t given and that’s all that matters.

As Anscombe said, we had opportunity’s to correct the mistake the TMO made but didn’t take them.

Hits the hand. Goes forwards. Not sure how it's not clear, albeit from a tremendously slowed down bit of video that wasn't actually available to the TMO. Just shows that the TMO system isn't perfect, so describing something as a 'terrible mistake' is a bit unfair.

But as you say it wasn't given and that's all that matters.

Watching the highlights again, that tackle from Underhill was absolutely ridiculous, but as the podcast I was listening to said, it would have been funny if he'd left Williams alone because I'm not 100% he'd have slid to the line. I think he may have come up short which would have been hilarious.

Damn Underhill...ruining our rugby comedy.

 

[Japhet]

Hits the hand. Goes forwards. Not sure how it's not clear, albeit from a tremendously slowed down bit of video that wasn't actually available to the TMO. Just shows that the TMO system isn't perfect, so describing something as a 'terrible mistake' is a bit unfair.

But as you say it wasn't given and that's all that matters.

Watching the highlights again, that tackle from Underhill was absolutely ridiculous, but as the podcast I was listening to said, it would have been funny if he'd left Williams alone because I'm not 100% he'd have slid to the line. I think he may have come up short which would have been hilarious.

Damn Underhill...ruining our rugby comedy.

The question from the Ref was 'Try, yes or no' so there has to be conclusive evidence that a try was scored. Any doubt falls in favour of the defenders. If he asked 'Any reason why I can't award a try' the benefit of the doubt would have gone in Wales favour. He asked the right question because there was plenty of doubt in his mind and whatever speed you watch the replays at, there isn't clear evidence that a try was scored (unless you're Welsh of course)

 

[talkshowhost86]

The question from the Ref was 'Try, yes or no' so there has to be conclusive evidence that a try was scored. Any doubt falls in favour of the defenders. If he asked 'Any reason why I can't award a try' the benefit of the doubt would have gone in Wales favour. He asked the right question because there was plenty of doubt in his mind and whatever speed you watch the replays at, there isn't clear evidence that a try was scored (unless you're Welsh of course)

To be fair to the TMO I don't think he was given the super slo-mo that we've now seen so if he doesn't see the knock-on that's understandable as I don't think any of us did either from the videos shown at the time.

From the video the TMO saw, I'm still not sure how they came to the conclusion Watson grounded it first, but I'm glad they did come to that conclusion as ultimately it looks as if it was a knock on by Evans anyway...so justice was done.

Mind you I hope this doesn't lead to frame by frame TMO reviews. That would make the whole process even more tedious.

 

[E17yid]

The question from the Ref was 'Try, yes or no' so there has to be conclusive evidence that a try was scored. Any doubt falls in favour of the defenders. If he asked 'Any reason why I can't award a try' the benefit of the doubt would have gone in Wales favour. He asked the right question because there was plenty of doubt in his mind and whatever speed you watch the replays at, there isn't clear evidence that a try was scored (unless you're Welsh of course)

Other than the clear grounding, yeah, no evidence. Sir Clive Woodward of Smugginton and Wilkinson even admitted it. Are they Welsh?

 

[talkshowhost86]

Other than the clear grounding, yeah, no evidence. Sir Clive Woodward of Smugginton and Wilkinson even admitted it. Are they Welsh?

Was this not deemed childish about 15 posts ago?

 

[E17yid]

Was this not deemed childish about 15 posts ago?

They’ve written scientific journals on the smugness levels that Clive gives out. It’s fact. Another hated guy in world rugby.

Just seen that blatant brown yellow card that didn’t happen for sticking his hand in to stop davies passing out the ball. I must add that to the list of excuses.

 

[Arnoldtoo]

We're never going to get any sort of agreement on this, and as I said before, a change to one event means that all future ones change as well, so though it's nice to claim 'We wuz robbed' - and we all do it - there are only 2 actual facts:

1) England won.

2) Itoje was the best player on the pitch. (Although obviously I'm taking the future into account there.)

 

[talkshowhost86]

They’ve written scientific journals on the smugness levels that Clive gives out. It’s fact. Another hated guy in world rugby.

Just seen that blatant brown yellow card that didn’t happen for sticking his hand in to stop davies passing out the ball. I must add that to the list of excuses.

You do realise world rugby extends beyond Wales right?

 

[E17yid]

You do realise world rugby extends beyond Wales right?

You saying you think he’s loved everywhere outside of Wales. Not sure the Kiwis or Ozzie’s would agree with you there.

Or he Irish and Scots for that matter. Certainly didn’t make any friends with the lions.

 

[talkshowhost86]

You saying you think he’s loved everywhere outside of Wales. Not sure the Kiwis or Ozzie’s would agree with you there.

Or he Irish and Scots for that matter. Certainly didn’t make any friends with the lions.

*Looks for where I said he was loved*

Nope.

Pretty sure he's a hugely respected man in World Rugby.

The anti-English sentiment is getting a tad silly now. Probably best to move on.

 

[E17yid]

*Looks for where I said he was loved*

Nope.

Pretty sure he's a hugely respected man in World Rugby.

The anti-English sentiment is getting a tad silly now. Probably best to move on.

Not anti English at all. I’ve got loads of time for a lot of English players (past and present) coaches and fans.

From my experience in the SH many fans out there regard him as average who got lucky with a WC once. I’ve never heard any Kiwi mates of mine or people I’ve played with/against hold him in any high regard at all. Getting smashed in 05 kinda confirmed that for a lot of people.

Understandably he’s loved by you and rightly so. Just talking from my own experience.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Not anti English at all. I’ve got loads of time for a lot of English players (past and present) coaches and fans.

From my experience in the SH many fans out there regard him as average who got lucky with a WC once. I’ve never heard any Kiwi mates of mine or people I’ve played with/against hold him in any high regard at all. Getting smashed in 05 kinda confirmed that for a lot of people.

Understandably he’s loved by you and rightly so. Just talking from my own experience.

Well if you'd said that first then it would have been a bit more reasonable.

But he's definitely respected in the game. If not by all fans (or anyone in Wales) then certainly from peopls within the game.