The Sherwood recurrence

Discussion in 'Columns' started by Frozen_Waffles, Apr 8, 2014.

  • by Frozen_Waffles, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:53 PM
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    I wonder if the people in the media go home and consider what the effects of their ill thought out judgements and how they impact people’s lives. It’s easy to see someone as a pantomime villain and criticise them but when the media circus takes up the helm it turns into a witch hunt. Because let’s face it people are generally sheep they read something and have the immediate response of yes or no, if it’s backed by enough people then it becomes fact to them, because people have the inability to think for themselves. It does not matter if it’s the Sun, the Guardian or the Mail it’s the same just slightly more highbrow or strongly opinionated but the basic fact is people believe what they read and arrange there pitch forks accordingly.

    Last night I watched the after match interviews of two young managers that were literally close to tears. Gus Poyet an ex Spur who played in the premier league for years and is held in high regard by two of the biggest clubs in English football, has taken on a job from a club who have changed manager on a regular basis and have made some horrific appointments to a club in constant turmoil. Then I see another young English manager given an opportunity of a lifetime to manage a big club. Well I say opportunity, he has been given 4 months and is now apparently finished.
    Tim Sherwood takes over this club halfway through the season, a club in turmoil one who has changed the manager on a consistent basis, in some cases against the wishes of its fans. He was given the permanent job not a caretaker position, let’s remember that.

    Now for those like me who have a short memory let’s take a trip down memory lane and remember the ghost of recent past. Andre Villas Boas had a reputation and had a great ability to say long words and bore us all senseless in his press conferences. Of course this would not be a problem but he bored us on the pitch as well, this season anyway. I was losing interest with Spurs because we were playing a very negative way, the why pass forward when you can pass sideways and backwards style. The idea if we have 70% possession in a game the other team will get bored and go home and we will win strategy. Of course what some people forget is that sport is an entertainment game, to me anyway, and I think most Spurs fans would rather see our team go out and entertain us than put us to sleep, no matter the results.

    So any way ‘To dare is to do’ that is our motto and we certainly were not daring under AVB. So what is the ideal scenario, to go out and play attacking football, play two up top where possible and try to entertain and bring our youngsters through, because generally that is the name of the game. We know, for example that a highly priced foreign import will not stay at the club if he makes it, he uses our club as a stepping stone and it makes sense. If we bring through youngsters and give them a chance they can be the backbone of a team for years to come because generally they will stay and have more loyalty.

    This year I have seen a manager under all kinds of pressure, but he has brought the youngsters through. He has also played attacking expansive football and also within limits, he has sometimes packed the midfield but he is willing to adapt and change his game plan depending on the team.

    Normally when a manager loses his job the results are in a downward spiral, last night our team won 5-1. He has lost the dressing room and they don’t play for him, the players were brilliant last night. The tactics are all wrong I hear you say, what? Tactics are at fault because our defenders take it in turns to make individual mistakes?

    It’s a pity we cannot sack the fans, because to be honest you have had a mare…. Your constant badgering for Sherwood to be sacked, pretty much from when he started. Danny Rose, personally I think one of our better players this season and certainly last night, universally hated by fans on here why??? Harry Kane not good enough for Spurs, what? He was 18 when I heard this rubbish started being spouted and the same people were saying that Falque and Coulibally were the future… of what? Football Manager.

    The need to rate players based on nationality or even because our manager likes him and no consideration of age. Bentaleb, has proven he has massive potential, that away day at Benfica he was one of the stand out performers, he will be a top class player, but because Tim likes him he’s rubbish. Adebayor… his man management skills with this guy have been amazing, firstly he plays a style which involves our centre forward and gives him the confidence to shine. From a player that I thought could not be bothered and only produced a performance 1 in 5 games at best, he has got him consistently performing, something that AVB and Mancini for that matter could not do.

    Tim is not perfect and where he perhaps falls down the most is his media skills, and it saddens me because of this performance and this performance alone it has cost him his job.

    However we all now know that next season another high profile manager will be hired who does not know the club or the league or the players, not given time to settle and sacked within two years, and if he does well he will move on to a bigger club. I suppose that’s the Spurs way nowadays, makes me lose interest in football if I am honest.
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Discussion in 'Columns' started by Frozen_Waffles, Apr 8, 2014.

  1. Bennys LOL
    hi Joe, yes fair point, i agree that we dont know for certain regarding the players in, but for what we read and learn and through common sense and filtering out the impossible etc .. I base my thoughts on Baldini's job, what he does for a living, and that is identifying players who are either good prospects, talent, quality available players HE thinks he may be able to 'get' etc and then gets the nod to do the deal. I would imagine that TS does not have the same in depth knowledge of that job description that baldini does and so would dismiss any involvement of TS's on transfer targets or dealings. Being in charge of the youth set up, he might well however, have more knowledge of youth/teen players who's names have cropped up here n there.

    I would be very very surprised and disappointed if we did infact have a team of directors and other people thinking they know what the manager wants that sat around a table discussing players that they thought they should get him, It would make deals almost impossible to complete.

    For me, the system should be, manager tells Baldini who he wants or at least the type for a position, Baldini identifies player/s, discuss with manager, agree, Levy signs cheque. But, we are spurs, we dont do simple lol.
  2. WestBelfast Spurs
    lost me at Rose is one of our better players this year!
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  3. CrazyHeart
    He was under AVB.
  4. Gaz_Gammon

    Nor can i, our success over the past fifty years and our bulging trophy cabinet has been bloody astounding, and now we have to put up with this whipper-snapper trying to manage our club!

    We have had "quality managers" with "proven credentials" that have failed admirably, so let's have more of the same er?

    What the Club have never had is perseverance, commitment, and a long fucking term plan. The only odds that are stupid are the ones that will be allocated to the time span of any manager appointed by Spurs. It's Levy's default.
  5. JerryGarcia
    I wanted to give AVB the rest of the season but could see why he was sacked in the end, now I'm fully behind Tim as long as he's the manager although I hope he moves on this summer and we bring in someone who can organise a team to a higher standard.

    Tim has done some things right and has done some things very wrong but I wish him luck in his career moving forward. I didn't like the way he said he didn't need any players in January, everyone could see we needed another LB and we've payed the price for it having to resort to playing Naughton out of position and being torn apart and exploited. It's an even bigger shame for Naughton who has shown that he can be a fairly solid RB but has now earned a reputation for being a dodgy defender.

    If AVB had still been here I'm sure he would have fixed that in Jan, Rose deserved his chance but the injury at the start of the season meant our left side lacked width and pace. The whole decision not to get another LB has been a monumental screw up at every level of management at the club from both managers all the way up to the board room imo. Rose gives his all but has been caught out of position too often and I doubt he'll want to be a back up next season.

    A Sheep
  6. Gaz_Gammon
    Wasn't it AVB who sent Bennie out on loan to QPR before a ball was kicked in the new season leaving us with a converted winger as our only left back? Why didn't he "fix it" last Summer knowing Bennie would be gone?

    Naughton looks good against any side visiting WHL that packs their defence, do you seriously think he's good enough for a side wanting to play CL football?

    Our whole back line was found out against the very best, and that's the very best in the PL not Europe. If we want to play with the big boys then our defence simply has to be reloaded this coming Summer.
  7. WestBelfast Spurs
    really I though he was injured most of the time and the times he has played he's been muck wish he had stayed at Sunderland and we took the coin and bought a proper replacement
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  8. JerryGarcia
    Yeah I wasn't making exuses for AVB, read my post again or the bit you quoted. Actually I'll just copy it here...

    About the Naughton part, since when has "fairly solid RB" meant he's good enough to be our main right back and lead us to the Champions League? I'm not sure what you're getting at Gaz, you basically agree with me from what I can see.
  9. Sweetsman
    Tosh, utter tosh. The bit about two managers on the verge of tears made me laugh.
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  10. diamondlight
    Why were these (quite funny) jokey responses embarrassing?

    Do you want a manager who never displays a sense of humour on camera? (Why?!!)

    He's a football manager - not the Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Football is a game that people play for fun and watch for fun. Jokes and banter make it more fun.
  11. Sweetsman
    It's a multimillion pound industry: it's not played just for fun. The guy is a moron, an utter jerk. Next thing, you'll be telling us that he deserves a chance just because he's British.
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  12. scottlag10
    I will point out to you again Gaz that if Levy were to appoint LVG he would come with a CV far superior to anybody that has been appointed before (not that it guarantees success).
  13. CowInAComa
    Completely lost me at the Danny Rose/one of our better players comment.
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  14. Danners9
    because it's incredibly unprofessional to mock your own team, the one you are managing (and therefore the one YOU set up 4 minutes beforehand), and your employer's record investment.

    It is monumentally stupid. I want a manager who isn't stupid in public, it's not such an outlandish thing to expect. Humour is fine, and clearly subjective. I'm glad you found it funny. I hope the owners didn't, though.
  15. diamondlight
    Er, no, him being British has got nothing to do with it.

    So do you support spurs because they're a multi-million pound industry? I support them because I enjoy it. You might as well go and support Google.
  16. diamondlight
    In the 2008-2009 season, Redknapp said that his wife would have scored a header Darren Bent missed. That was 'mocking' a lot worse than Sherwood on Lamela.

    The next season, under Redknapp, Spurs finished 4th and went on to reach the quarter finals of the Champions League. Maybe managers with a bit of personality and banter aren't so bad after all.

    If you still don't believe me, then consider the great Brian Clough, who always mercilessly spoke his mind, joked around, and mocked people - including his own players.

    For example, here's Cloughie on forest midfielder Brian Rice: “I’m not saying he’s pale and thin, but the maid in our hotel room pulled back the sheets and remade the bed without realising he was still in it!”.

    Or on meeting new signing Teddy Sheringham: “I’m calling you Edward because that’s what it says on your birth certificate.”
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  17. diamondlight
    While we're on the subject of Brian Clough, here he is again:

    “If a chairman sacks the manager he initially appointed, he should go as well.”

    I'm not sure this is true the first time, or even the second time, but if a chairman appoints then sacks a whole series of managers in quick succession, well...
  18. Gaz_Gammon
    And that was different from my post? Nice caveat. Covers all the angles and eventualities does it not?

    The quality of the manager at PL level is negligible (look to Martinez for proof) the issue lies with the depth of the pocket and the itchy trigger finger of whoever is Chairman.
  19. Sweetsman
    Which bit of what I wrote did you not understand?
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  20. Sweetsman
    I know you write this stuff and think it makes sense, but we have to read it and it doesn't.
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