The Son-Lamela Issue

[Rogmeister]

Good. I'm happy for players to lay into each other.

Only got to look at West Ham at the moment. Hands on hips and no one shouting or directing blame. Players having a dig at each other means they want to win and want their team mates to do better. It's the sign of winners in my eyes

 

[Hans Moleman]

Son is a bit of a girl sometimes. Lamela has claimed the ball, suggesting that he's the penalty taker today. Son's obviously wanting to add to his form, but he should've just accepted it and got behind Lamela, rather than trying to block him and then sulk off. Redknapp's right in that could have put Erik in the wrong frame of mind. For me, Son should be apologising to the team for being stroppy.

End of the day, 'keeper's guessed right and made a good save.

This is just purely guesswork. How do we know that Son hasn't been designated to take the penalties and Lamela ran and grabbed the ball first, and Son tried to rightfully get it back just trying to follow instructions? We don't. Before people come and shut me down with the 'Poch said he didn't have a designated penalty taker' of course he going to say that, trying not to open a can of worms for the press. I find it hard to believe a team who's full time job is to play football haven't had the foresight that a penalty may occur and designated someone to take it.

As soon as Lamela stepped up for some reason my heart sunk a little, so did everyones in the room, seemed it was inevitable he would miss. Son's the man in form who was the logical choice, he should have taken it.

 

[UpTownSpur]

All the people defending Lamela here would have been calling for Eriksen to hung, drawn and quartered if he'd done that yesterday. When the penalty was awarded, Son walked to spot to take it, there's no doubt he was the designated penalty taker and Poch is just being diplomatic, but I've got no doubt he and the other players are livid with Lamela. At 3-0 the game is over but at 2-0, against a team like Man City, it wasn't and if they'd have taken one of their chances, we could have been hanging on.

 

[FrankSpencer]

At the end of the game yesterday Son was the last player to leave the pitch. He had a smile on his face and was visibly happy to be enjoying the moment with the fans. I see no lasting damage.

However, I've played a lot of Football down the years, and you always have a designated taker at the start of the game. The only way this ever changes is if one of your teammates is on a hat-trick and you are out of sight in the game.

I'm sure it will be discussed and rectified should it occur again whilst Kane is absent.

 

[Shea]

All the people defending Lamela here would have been calling for Eriksen to hung, drawn and quartered if he'd done that yesterday. When the penalty was awarded, Son walked to spot to take it, there's no doubt he was the designated penalty taker and Poch is just being diplomatic, but I've got no doubt he and the other players are livid with Lamela. At 3-0 the game is over but at 2-0, against a team like Man City, it wasn't and if they'd have taken one of their chances, we could have been hanging on.

No doubt? you know this 100%? I can't agree with that statement at all

I think there's a lot of doubt and none of us can really claim to know who was designated if anyone was at all

You can say you think Son was designated to take it and Lamela stole the kick sure but it's crazy for you to suggest it is fact and there is no doubt

 

[Geyzer Soze]

He had a smile on his face and was visibly happy to be enjoying the moment with the fans. I see no lasting damage.

he always has a smile on his face tbf, i think it's just how his face is

 

[UpTownSpur]

No doubt? you know this 100%? I can't agree with that statement at all

I think there's a lot of doubt and none of us can really claim to know who was designated if anyone was at all

You can say you think Son was designated to take it and Lamela stole the kick sure but it's crazy for you to suggest it is fact and there is no doubt

At 4.30, it's pretty clear, Son walks to penalty spot to get ready to take it while Lamela runs off to grab the ball:

 

[Chris Finch]

It's a non-issue for me but had we scored it, I wonder if we would then have conceded thinking the game was done.
Staying at 2-0 meant the workrate and concentration stayed high maybe.
Probably a load of bollocks, but a thought none the less

 

[Shea]

At 4.30, it's pretty clear, Son walks to penalty spot to get ready to take it while Lamela runs off to grab the ball:

So what does that prove other than they both wanted the penalty and Lamela got to the ball first?

I still don't see how you can suggest there is NO DOUBT that Son was the designated penalty taker and Lamela stole the kick from him

All I see in that clip is that both men wanted the kick, Lamela got the ball first....Son tried to argue his case and grab the ball but Lamela held firm and kept the ball and took the kick

The rest you're suggesting is your own opinion presented as fact

 

[kaz Hirai]

So what does that prove other than they both wanted the penalty and Lamela got to the ball first?

I still don't see how you can suggest there is NO DOUBT that Son was the designated penalty taker and Lamela stole the kick from him

All I see in that clip is that both men wanted the kick, Lamela got the ball first....Son tried to argue his case and grab the ball but Lamela held firm and kept the ball and took the kick

The rest you're suggesting is your own opinion presented as fact

Don't waste your breath mate. He's Francis Gibbs Apprentice

 

[UpTownSpur]

So what does that prove other than they both wanted the penalty and Lamela got to the ball first?

I still don't see how you can suggest there is NO DOUBT that Son was the designated penalty taker and Lamela stole the kick from him

All I see in that clip is that both men wanted the kick, Lamela got the ball first....Son tried to argue his case and grab the ball but Lamela held firm and kept the ball and took the kick

The rest you're suggesting is your own opinion presented as fact

This wasn't a friggin kickabout in Hyde Park where whoever grabs the ball first gets to take! It was Premier League game at the highest professional level.

 

[yankspurs]

Don't waste your breath mate. He's Francis Gibbs Apprentice

Frankie will be along soon i inagine to aid him.

 

[mil1lion]

Is it really an issue? The thread makes it seem like this could derail our season

 

[yido_number1]

As soon as I saw Bravo bobbing along the line I knew he'd save it. He did well to put Lamela off and change his mind of where he would put it. Any how no harm done, they both looked a couple of planks fighting for the ball but at least it showed they both wanted it. In the past half our squad would of been hiding behind hugo trying to avoid it.

 

[Shea]

This wasn't a friggin kickabout in Hyde Park where whoever grabs the ball first gets to take! It was Premier League game at the highest professional level.

I never said it was a kick about at Hyde Park

I simply said you can't possibly claim that there is NO DOUBT Son was the designated kick taker.

There clearly is more than enough doubt surrounding the incident

You can have your opinion by all means and believe whatever you want to based on what you saw but you cannot claim to know 100% because none of us can possibly know that

 

[yusrisafri]

Is it really an issue? The thread makes it seem like this could derail our season

How do you come up with that conclusion? Its just a discussion. No one mentioned about it being a disaster to our season. I think its you whos trying to think that way.

 

[riggi]

Danny Murphy was saying the other week, that there used to be physical fights on the training field and none of that got to the press. It was dealt with and both parties got over it pretty quickly.

Arguing over taking a penalty is nothing to be worried about.

 

[UpTownSpur]

I never said it was a kick about at Hyde Park

I simply said you can't possibly claim that there is NO DOUBT Son was the designated kick taker.

There clearly is more than enough doubt surrounding the incident

You can have your opinion by all means and believe whatever you want to based on what you saw but you cannot claim to know 100% because none of us can possibly know that

This is true, but I would say the evidence largely points to my view being correct.

 

[Shea]

As soon as I saw Bravo bobbing along the line I knew he'd save it. He did well to put Lamela off and change his mind of where he would put it. Any how no harm done, they both looked a couple of planks fighting for the ball but at least it showed they both wanted it. In the past half our squad would of been hiding behind hugo trying to avoid it.

He did do well

I noticed the way he positioned himself close to the corner to his right for quite a while before Lamlea was set up for the kick

This showed Lamela the whole side to his (lamela's) right completely open and I was thinking at the time this is going to influence Lamela to kick toward that side

Bravo then jumped around from side to side and adding to whatever impact Son's involvement put on Lamela in terms of pressure or distraction

It was a terrible penalty and similar to the won he took in the shoot out vs whole (evidence that he's not a great pen taker) but Brave certainly did well to manipulate Lamela and optimise his chances over saving it I believe

I was hoping Lamela was just going to drill it high and central

 

[Geyzer Soze]

I think it's a great shame that Lamela fought for, and won, taking the penalty. It seems likely to me that he did so because he is feeling a bit out of sorts, and needs a confidence boost and wanted to plant it (yes yes, 'no evidence' brigade ... I have no evidence for this, it's my own educated guess/ supposition).

Having firstly fought for it, and won it, he really really needed to plant it. Not having done so will be a big thing on his shoulder i would say. Shame.

Also highlights, perhaps, the downside of having a Team Captain who is not an outfield player. Hugo is kind of lost to the team in such a situation and can't use his authority as Captain to do anything about it