The Spurs Transfer Wishlist & Scouting Thread

[heelspurs]

Thing is, according the ITK, there were no takers for the players Spurs wanted out and Poch didn't want a "congested" squad as he knows how bad that can be for the team spirit.
Besides, if the takers had paid up most probably both Llorente and Sissoko would have been sold

I'm fairly certain we are still able to apply at least a modicum of salt to these claims. But if we are to take them as gospel now and walk in lockstep I trust that I will be informed of any transgression.

And since this explanation was retrospective instead of predictive I choose to utilize the last few flavor enhancing grains here. If there was intention to bring someone in then players would have been told they "weren't in his plans" and been looking for a move all summer just like the previous years.

But my bigger point was not about just last year as much as every one of the previous years. Folks want to hold on to players because of emotional attachment instead of ability/performance. There are some, for which it will not be popular, that need to be moved on. For example, now everyone realizes Tripps is gar... more diplomatically let's say questionable defensively but some of us have been banging that drum for a while. Hell, I could probably name 10 that need to be moved on but a whole summer clearout is silly and disruptive.

My point was each year 1 or 2 players need to be moved on and improved upon. This is not sorcery this is succession planning and marginal gains. Fergie even made this point to Poch in respect to his ManU teams and player competition. And another example is the New England Patriots. Tom Brady jsut won another SB yet his coach wanted move on from him 2 years ago. That's right, 2 years ago under the belief that it is better to move on too early than too late. There is a reason why he is the greatest coach ever, they are the greatest dynasty ever, and they are often the less talented team on paper but always win the big one.

Quite a few names have been brought up as Kane's understudy but no young, talented CF with ambitions are going to join Spurs unless he's paid "silly" money, simply because they know's there's no way they're gonna play much with Kane almost have a birth-right to be Spurs' CF starter.
And quality CF costs a lot,

...Rondon...inexpensive, available and would jump at the chance to play CL, great teammate, quality lone CF, would accept bench role as he has previously, significantly better and more dangerous than given credit for, more athletic and technical than most recognize, works his ass off and is a PITA to any CB.

Sonny can't play WF minutes and CF minutes. Choosing to bring in Llorente wasn't a silly idea but the way we play with is not the best match now because we have NO midfield control of games like we did previously. So since he gets no service it looks like a bad match. Rondon can get around the pitch and has knocked a fair few in this year in another defensive setup.

 

[pedrodelawasp]

If Llorente goes how would people feel about Dzeko as a replacement experienced, free agent, tall centre forward?

 

[Tucker]

If Llorente goes how would people feel about Dzeko as a replacement experienced, free agent, tall centre forward?

I’d rather keep Nando.

 

[dtxspurs]

If Llorente goes how would people feel about Dzeko as a replacement experienced, free agent, tall centre forward?

That would be lovely.

 

[DFF]

De Ligt to Bayern would be taking the piss. They’ve already bought Pavard and Hernandez for a combined £100m+. Can’t see it.

 

[Dharmabum]

I'm fairly certain we are still able to apply at least a modicum of salt to these claims. But if we are to take them as gospel now and walk in lockstep I trust that I will be informed of any transgression.

And since this explanation was retrospective instead of predictive I choose to utilize the last few flavor enhancing grains here. If there was intention to bring someone in then players would have been told they "weren't in his plans" and been looking for a move all summer just like the previous years.

But my bigger point was not about just last year as much as every one of the previous years. Folks want to hold on to players because of emotional attachment instead of ability/performance. There are some, for which it will not be popular, that need to be moved on. For example, now everyone realizes Tripps is gar... more diplomatically let's say questionable defensively but some of us have been banging that drum for a while. Hell, I could probably name 10 that need to be moved on but a whole summer clearout is silly and disruptive.

My point was each year 1 or 2 players need to be moved on and improved upon. This is not sorcery this is succession planning and marginal gains. Fergie even made this point to Poch in respect to his ManU teams and player competition. And another example is the New England Patriots. Tom Brady jsut won another SB yet his coach wanted move on from him 2 years ago. That's right, 2 years ago under the belief that it is better to move on too early than too late. There is a reason why he is the greatest coach ever, they are the greatest dynasty ever, and they are often the less talented team on paper but always win the big one.


...Rondon...inexpensive, available and would jump at the chance to play CL, great teammate, quality lone CF, would accept bench role as he has previously, significantly better and more dangerous than given credit for, more athletic and technical than most recognize, works his ass off and is a PITA to any CB.

Sonny can't play WF minutes and CF minutes. Choosing to bring in Llorente wasn't a silly idea but the way we play with is not the best match now because we have NO midfield control of games like we did previously. So since he gets no service it looks like a bad match. Rondon can get around the pitch and has knocked a fair few in this year in another defensive setup.

But that's exactly what Son have been doing lately - i.e. been playing minutes alternatively as WF and CF - and excellently so. 2 goals vs ManC yesterday and some of the previous games he's played CF when Kane's been out speaks for itself. I have no problem playing him as CF, as he's better than any CF Spurs would get as Kane's understudy, as long as Spurs get at least one quality WF (fex Leon Bailey or David Neres)

Of course it's good to move 1-2 old players every season. But I don't think neither Pochettino nor Spurs fans are too emotional about wanting to sell players. it simply isn't as easy as many think it is to buy and sell players.

 

[ardiles]

Can’t wait for the summer TW to open to find out which players we would miss out on.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'm fairly certain we are still able to apply at least a modicum of salt to these claims. But if we are to take them as gospel now and walk in lockstep I trust that I will be informed of any transgression.

And since this explanation was retrospective instead of predictive I choose to utilize the last few flavor enhancing grains here. If there was intention to bring someone in then players would have been told they "weren't in his plans" and been looking for a move all summer just like the previous years.

But my bigger point was not about just last year as much as every one of the previous years. Folks want to hold on to players because of emotional attachment instead of ability/performance. There are some, for which it will not be popular, that need to be moved on. For example, now everyone realizes Tripps is gar... more diplomatically let's say questionable defensively but some of us have been banging that drum for a while. Hell, I could probably name 10 that need to be moved on but a whole summer clearout is silly and disruptive.

My point was each year 1 or 2 players need to be moved on and improved upon. This is not sorcery this is succession planning and marginal gains. Fergie even made this point to Poch in respect to his ManU teams and player competition. And another example is the New England Patriots. Tom Brady jsut won another SB yet his coach wanted move on from him 2 years ago. That's right, 2 years ago under the belief that it is better to move on too early than too late. There is a reason why he is the greatest coach ever, they are the greatest dynasty ever, and they are often the less talented team on paper but always win the big one.


...Rondon...inexpensive, available and would jump at the chance to play CL, great teammate, quality lone CF, would accept bench role as he has previously, significantly better and more dangerous than given credit for, more athletic and technical than most recognize, works his ass off and is a PITA to any CB.

Sonny can't play WF minutes and CF minutes. Choosing to bring in Llorente wasn't a silly idea but the way we play with is not the best match now because we have NO midfield control of games like we did previously. So since he gets no service it looks like a bad match. Rondon can get around the pitch and has knocked a fair few in this year in another defensive setup.

Responding to the bit about emotional attachment etc.

Don't forget that Poch himself has openly stated things about surprising changes in personnel, and ITK has somewhat backed that up by saying something along the lines of "people will be surprised to see who we're willing to move out".

I think so much has been about getting the stadium finished & us moved into it and, now that's been accomplished, the whole landscape is going to change this summer.

 

[heelspurs]

it simply isn't as easy as many think it is to buy and sell players.

Think you should probably flesh that out a little better as on it's face it contradicts the exact method Levy used to move the team forward in his time, player trading. Now of course getting that exact player you want at a perfect price but that point is so obvious it shouldn't need pointing out. We've never had problems with player movement until last year. Not banging a drum here just pointing it out in light of this statement.

And my point about Son and minutes is bigger than whether or not he can flit about up top; options, injuries, rotation, etc.

 

[heelspurs]

Responding to the bit about emotional attachment etc.

Don't forget that Poch himself has openly stated things about surprising changes in personnel, and ITK has somewhat backed that up by saying something along the lines of "people will be surprised to see who we're willing to move out".

I think so much has been about getting the stadium finished & us moved into it and, now that's been accomplished, the whole landscape is going to change this summer.

I don't follow ITK. But this would be encouraging if true/comes to pass. It would at the very least mean someone, somewhere is recognizing the deficits and imbalance in the squad and not happy clapping away because of results.

I can guarantee you I will not be surprised if any of them are moved on as I can make a case for any and all to be moved on so we can move forward as a club. And i mean some big names i wouldn't mind seeing gone. And of course there would be a priority list and of course I would not want to see Harry or a few others leave. But I can make a case for it.

 

[SpursSince1980]

My wishlist for this summer, isn't a list per-say. But rather a wish that we have a significant budget to spend on new recruits. Which would include money from potential sales, obviously. However, I hope we have a sizable piggybank to start with, so that we aren't being handcuffed by needing to sell first.

But if past windows are anything to go by, I doubt we'll be breaking any fiscal habits any time soon.

 

[BigPlimpton]

Think we'll see a fair bit of player trading in the summer. I imagine a swap with CCV for Dan James at Swansea. I could also see us swapping Onomah and some cash for Sessegnon at Fulham. Given how well Edwards has done on his loan, I'd love for him to sign an extension to his contract in the summer and get a loan to Fulham where he'd probably get a good amount of games as Scott Parker and Matt Wells are at the helm.

A CCV swap for Dan James makes a lot of sense. He's a natural left-sided wide player, so he would immediately fill the N'Koudou squad space. He's got a good amount of top-line pace, maybe not quite as fast. But his finishing and shooting (including from distance) have been phenomenal over the past few months. Important to determine whether he qualifies as HG under UEFA rules as that will impact his future value--his youth career was with Hull until his 19th birthday before moving to Wales, but he's been a welsh international since U16. I'm not sure how that all shakes out under the UEFA HG definition. Normally would say he needs a year at a club like Bournemouth or Leicester to continue his development, but we keep seeing talent (like Maddison, Brooks, Maguire) going that route and having their valuations rapidly exceed what we seem willing to afford. He's a late bloomer at 21. Take from that what you will. His upside/projection might not be world class at this point, but he absolutely looks a top-flight player.

 

[SpartanSpur]

A CCV swap for Dan James makes a lot of sense. He's a natural left-sided wide player, so he would immediately fill the N'Koudou squad space. He's got a good amount of top-line pace, maybe not quite as fast. But his finishing and shooting (including from distance) have been phenomenal over the past few months. Important to determine whether he qualifies as HG under UEFA rules as that will impact his future value--his youth career was with Hull until his 19th birthday before moving to Wales, but he's been a welsh international since U16. I'm not sure how that all shakes out under the UEFA HG definition. Normally would say he needs a year at a club like Bournemouth or Leicester to continue his development, but we keep seeing talent (like Maddison, Brooks, Maguire) going that route and having their valuations rapidly exceed what we seem willing to afford. He's a late bloomer at 21. Take from that what you will. His upside/projection might not be world class at this point, but he absolutely looks a top-flight player.

Surely Swansea would value James far in excess of CCV however?

I've been thinking top drawer or nothing for a wide forward in the summer but this kid is very interesting (Jack Clarke and Jarrod Bowen too).

My wishlist for this summer, isn't a list per-say. But rather a wish that we have a significant budget to spend on new recruits. Which would include money from potential sales, obviously. However, I hope we have a sizable piggybank to start with, so that we aren't being handcuffed by needing to sell first.

But if past windows are anything to go by, I doubt we'll be breaking any fiscal habits any time soon.

Mail tomorrow saying £60m plus sales - projected to be around £150m for 5 players. Not shabby but not sure if that's what Poch is hoping for when talking about emulating Liverpool etc... Might require being creative on a couple (say getting Berge as the DM for £15-20m) to free up funds for a couple of big ones.

 

[BigPlimpton]

Surely Swansea would value James far in excess of CCV however?

I've been thinking top drawer or nothing for a wide forward in the summer but this kid is very interesting (Jack Clarke and Jarrod Bowen too).
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Surely Swansea would value James far in excess of CCV however?

I've been thinking top drawer or nothing for a wide forward in the summer but this kid is very interesting (Jack Clarke and Jarrod Bowen too).

Right--didn't mean to imply that the valuations of James and CCV would be the same, I would see the transaction similar to the swap of Gylfi for Ben Davies and Vorm that required us to throw in additional cash. Using CCV mostly just to try to get them to do business. That's been a challenge, too, given Villa's refusal to sell Grealish and the very high probablity that Leeds will not sell Clarke (especially if promoted).

 

[glospur]

His name has probably been raised before, but I've been thinking that if Alderweireld does leave, I wonder if John Stones might be available seeing as though he seems to have fallen out of favour with Pep.

Obviously he's homegrown, which we need, but I also rate him highly as a footballer. He'd suit our style of play, and I think Poch could continue to improve him as he has improved all our other defenders.

It's almost certainly fanciful, but this is a wishlist after all, and I believe he'd be a great replacement for Toby.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Isn’t there some pretty persistent rumors about de Ligt to Liverpool?

 

[double0]

His name has probably been raised before, but I've been thinking that if Alderweireld does leave, I wonder if John Stones might be available seeing as though he seems to have fallen out of favour with Pep.

Obviously he's homegrown, which we need, but I also rate him highly as a footballer. He'd suit our style of play, and I think Poch could continue to improve him as he has improved all our other defenders.

It's almost certainly fanciful, but this is a wishlist after all, and I believe he'd be a great replacement for Toby.

Stones is all wrong especially with Lloris in goal.
We need a LCB (Umitti at Barcelona) and also full back upgrades especially on the right.

 

[Dharmabum]

Stones is all wrong especially with Lloris in goal.
We need a LCB (Umitti at Barcelona) and also full back upgrades especially on the right.

I can't see Umtiti signing for Spurs if he becomes available, since many of the money loaded clubs will come after him. ManU are just 1 of the clubs rumoured to be after him.
Besides, Jan still have some years in him and there is no way Spurs would have either of them sitting on the bench - albeit both can play LB, but that's not their preferred positions.
Although it's hard to predict the development of most youth players I'd like Spurs to take a punt on LCB Kik Pierie (SC Heerveen) before other clubs come for him (Ajax or PSV and others) while keeping Davies as a LCB option.

 

[Spursh]

I can't see Umtiti signing for Spurs if he becomes available, since many of the money loaded clubs will come after him. ManU are just 1 of the clubs rumoured to be after him.
Besides, Jan still have some years in him and there is no way Spurs would have either of them sitting on the bench - albeit both can play LB, but that's not their preferred positions.
Although it's hard to predict the development of most youth players I'd like Spurs to take a punt on LCB Kik Pierie (SC Heerveen) before other clubs come for him (Ajax or PSV and others) while keeping Davies as a LCB option.

Too late re Pierie...

https://www.beinsports.com/us/eredivisie/news/ajax-sign-de-jong-replacement-pierie/1169412

I’d like us to sign a LCB to develop for when Jan starts to slow down. Kelly at Bristol City would be my pick.

 

[Dharmabum]

Too late re Pierie...

https://www.beinsports.com/us/eredivisie/news/ajax-sign-de-jong-replacement-pierie/1169412

I’d like us to sign a LCB to develop for when Jan starts to slow down. Kelly at Bristol City would be my pick.

For some reasons I'd really liked to have Spurs sign Pierie but from his career point of view he did the best/right thing.
Right now I can't think of better "affordable" options than Kelly either.