The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[BC11]

From left to right: Eyoma, ?, Griffiths, Oakley-Boothe, Hinds, Lock, Freeman, Dinzeyi, Omolabi, ?

I'm guessing it's de Bie between Eyoma & Griffiths. Not sure who's far right but it could be Jamie Reynolds?

 

[Spursidol]

Sorry @Bus-Conductor

Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial 17s17 seconds ago
Filip Lesniak has joined Czech side Slovan Liberec on loan until January, subject to international clearance.

Think they are playing in EL (3rd qualifying round I think, just before group stages), would be good if he played in a couple of those matches

Now on their first team squad list
http://en.fcslovanliberec.cz/soupiska.asp

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Onomah has exceptional talent - doesn't seem that sharp though.

He should watch Iniesta play - always moving and thinking about what's coming. Josh has all the ability and athleticism he'll ever need but he needs to work on his decision making and tactical awareness - no surprise seeing as he's still a kid, so no need to be too harsh, but it does seem to be a common theme among lots of the English youth

 

[IGSpur]

From left to right: Eyoma, ?, Griffiths, Oakley-Boothe, Hinds, Lock, Freeman, Dinzeyi, Omolabi, ?

I'm guessing it's de Bie between Eyoma & Griffiths. Not sure who's far right but it could be Jamie Reynolds?

You're right

10 new first year players. As we thought on OP ?

Yep, minus one original and include a signing

 

[newbie]

Onomah has exceptional talent - doesn't seem that sharp though.

He should watch Iniesta play - always moving and thinking about what's coming. Josh has all the ability and athleticism he'll ever need but he needs to work on his decision making and tactical awareness - no surprise seeing as he's still a kid, so no need to be too harsh, but it does seem to be a common theme among lots of the English youth

He seems to lack passion, he has spells every time I see him play where he turns it on for a 5-10 min when something's pissed him off and he looks a great player, he needs to take a leaf out of Ali's book of passion or like you say watch xavi and Iniesta play.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I've recorded the France game, but can't seem to find the Netherlands game on Eurosport on Friday ?

 

[Knarf44]

Watched the whole England game live and have to agree with the comments about Onomah. Must say I wasn't that impressed with Chelsea's so called wonderkids either nor Ojo from Liverpool.

They might be all very good technically but seem to lack a lot in simple football nous. Slow to react, poor movement, inability to anticipate situations and lethargic.

Maybe I am wrong and it was just that their deficiencies were highlighted by a good French team but seemed to me that possibly a few were playing as if they felt the competition beneath them.

If they don't step up a couple of gears against Holland they will get beaten.

Oh, and Onomah needs to sort his barnet out as he looks like Ronald McDonald.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Watched the whole England game live and have to agree with the comments about Onomah. Must say I wasn't that impressed with Chelsea's so called wonderkids either nor Ojo from Liverpool.

They might be all very good technically but seem to lack a lot in simple football nous. Slow to react, poor movement, inability to anticipate situations and lethargic.

Maybe I am wrong and it was just that their deficiencies were highlighted by a good French team but seemed to me that possibly a few were playing as if they felt the competition beneath them.

If they don't step up a couple of gears against Holland they will get beaten.

Oh, and Onomah needs to sort his barnet out as he looks like Ronald McDonald.

Agree with the above - it feels really cliched to say now but these kids really need a bit of sense of beaten into them. They've been given a golden ticket, but they'll piss it up the wall if they forget that nothing comes without a crap load of work, determination and character.

Also, just to be clear, does Ronald McDonald have bad hair? Maybe that's where I've going wrong all these years....

 

[Sweech]

How I imagined @Bus-Conductor when he heard the news of Lesniak's loan from the club.

 

[newbie]

How do you think Harrison and Sterling compare to Obeka, coulhurst and Kane when they where a similar age, of course Harrison is a couple of years older than Sterling.

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

May be late to this but saw a report that Nya Kirby is now playing for Chelsea. Shane if true the boy was going to throw his future to the Blue Scum, would hamper his development I reckon

 

[mill]

Agree with the above - it feels really cliched to say now but these kids really need a bit of sense of beaten into them. They've been given a golden ticket, but they'll piss it up the wall if they forget that nothing comes without a crap load of work, determination and character.

Also, just to be clear, does Ronald McDonald have bad hair? Maybe that's where I've going wrong all these years....

Life's too easy for them, the clubs do everything for them so they don't have to take responsibility in life, so they won't on the pitch either. Of course you'll get the odd kid who's just got the natural determination to succeed but I think many will fall by the wayside, made for life.

For England to be successful I think a shake up of the academies is needed. But as the the PL and FA are separate entities looking out for their own interests I don't see what can be done

 

[Saoirse]

May be late to this but saw a report that Nya Kirby is now playing for Chelsea. Shane if true the boy was going to throw his future to the Blue Scum, would hamper his development I reckon

Yep, it's true. Apparently he and his family are diehard Chelsea fans so disappointing but not too surprising.

 

[IGSpur]

Regarding the England team they are being managed by Aidy Boothroyd. He currently has one of England's most talented age groups and has had them playing terrible football all year, with their talent alone getting them this far. He is the antichrist to this talk of England DNA and I don't know why he has been given charge of this group. It's like taking a footballing dinosaur and putting him in charge of the England national team, and having them looking like they don't know what they'er doing whilst the team is primarily made up of a side that was playing beautiful football in the same season.

If you listen or read any of his interviews this year and approaching the tournament it is quite embarrassing and he is basically admitting not knowing what he is doing and planning on lumping it up there. The layers aren't being utilised correctly and are looking bad. They are better players than this French team and are missing around 6 of their best. Its a shame really, and the worse bit is any casual or occasional watcher of youth football will see them during this tournament and it will just reinforce the general notion that these players aren't good enough for the PL smh. The irony is that Rashford, justifiably wasn't even considered better than them yet is now hailed as the best young players in the world. I've read some people saying they wished they could sign him, and he isn;t even the best striker in his age group, and the better strikers will not be given a chance. It's crazy how football works.

Re: Onomah, I could foresee people saying he looks lazy, it was my biggest worry and something that will still most likely see him as a target for abuse, as he will be given less time to establish himself by the fanbase if it doesn't appear he is trying. I had this debate with BC and beats1.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...outh-news-thread.110644/page-109#post-4333991

It is just his running style and as above he will most likely be following instructions. He is actually a very good presser and I think he has shown this under Poch and all through the youth teams. When not pressing on his side of the pitch he tends to amble but that doesn't mean he is lazy or like he isn't working hard. He always looks best and is at his best, when he in the game like as @Blake Griffin when he is picking the ball up from defenders and making things happen rather than waiting for the ball up top. When he is on the ball he is very active and looks to get forward. While he didn't have a great game yesterday as we didn't have much of the ball, he was still one of England's better players and I was happy be cause h started showing some long range passing in his game. He spread the play under pressure twice and also picked Abraham out with an excellent ball over the top whilst running with it, but Abraham was questionably offside. So he has been developing it seems.

My only real criticism of Onomah off the ball, is quite standard and it is that he can tend to lose his runner or lack awareness or urgency around his own box. It can be developed and is down to more inexperience and the fact he isn't really a defensive player.

He is also very quick, especially considering how much he has bulked up. It depends what the instructions are to the player, in the youth teams he will be pressing

I'm sure some have seen this but does he look lazy here, at 17 against Chelesa?



First start against Monaco, getting out quickly to the ball under Poch



and lastly if anyone can be arsed this is when our u17s faced Spartak Moscow and he and the rest of the team were running around and pressing. He was 15 at the time. He has grown up pressing. Without the ball even here he cans sometimes amble when the ball isn't near him but then he jumps into action



I'll admit his barnet is quite shocking atm, gutsy.

 

[IGSpur]

May be late to this but saw a report that Nya Kirby is now playing for Chelsea. Shane if true the boy was going to throw his future to the Blue Scum, would hamper his development I reckon

Ye, so I can understand his decision. While he'll get loads more money I wouldn't call him a mercenary. If I was at Chelsea and Spurs came after me I would leave too

 

[IGSpur]

How do you think Harrison and Sterling compare to Obeka, coulhurst and Kane when they where a similar age, of course Harrison is a couple of years older than Sterling.

I personally think Harrison and Sterling were better than Obika and Coulthrist at the same age. Obika hit a purple patch around the age of 21 where he looked decent, but ultimately it was too late and we ahead Kane. Coulthrist looked like he could have been promising but he was shunted out wide for Coulibaly and they stopped focusing on his striker development and turned him into a hybrid winger. From what I remember of him regardless I would still have considered Harrison a better striker and Sterling is probably more similar to Coulthrist in style, though he probably doesn't have Coulthirst skill.

Kane technically always looked very good and had time on the ball and awareness. He always seemed a class above. He was a better goalscorer and more suited to adult football than Harrison at the same age , but Harrison was more languid. But Kane was the best of them. Harrison and Sterling could be good too

Life's too easy for them, the clubs do everything for them so they don't have to take responsibility in life, so they won't on the pitch either. Of course you'll get the odd kid who's just got the natural determination to succeed but I think many will fall by the wayside, made for life.

For England to be successful I think a shake up of the academies is needed. But as the the PL and FA are separate entities looking out for their own interests I don't see what can be done

Don't really agree with this. We have been producing the best players we ever have since the academy revamp. While they are mollycoddled they don't ever get given a chance to prove if they are good enough of have the determination to succeed anyway. The problems are still the same which is a lack of pathways and reliance on foreign players.

I read Carragher write an article about how they don't have to clean boots bla bla bla and so have lost the mentality to succeed or not cope with the pressure on the big stage. Firstly, they still do clean boots, at Spurs anyway, but I don't remember the golden generation winning anything. I remember Carragher retiring from international football early. I remember them all folding under pressure and this goes back to 1996 and so essentially covers every pundit on TV complaining about academies now and the soft players. Running around in their shorts during the winter didn't appear to toughen them up so FA have focused on actual development through coaching. And like I say, while chances aren't given we'll never reap what we have sown

 

[mill]

I personally think Harrison and Sterling were better than Obika and Coulthrist at the same age. Obika hit a purple patch around the age of 21 where he looked decent, but ultimately it was too late and we ahead Kane. Coulthrist looked like he could have been promising but he was shunted out wide for Coulibaly and they stopped focusing on his striker development and turned him into a hybrid winger. From what I remember of him regardless I would still have considered Harrison a better striker and Sterling is probably more similar to Coulthrist in style, though he probably doesn't have Coulthirst skill.

Kane technically always looked very good and had time on the ball and awareness. He always seemed a class above. He was a better goalscorer and more suited to adult football than Harrison at the same age , but Harrison was more languid. But Kane was the best of them. Harrison and Sterling could be good too



Don't really agree with this. We have been producing the best players we ever have since the academy revamp. While they are mollycoddled they don't ever get given a chance to prove if they are good enough of have the determination to succeed anyway. The problems are still the same which is a lack of pathways and reliance on foreign players.

I read Carragher write an article about how they don't have to clean boots bla bla bla and so have lost the mentality to succeed or not cope with the pressure on the big stage. Firstly, they still do clean boots, at Spurs anyway, but I don't remember the golden generation winning anything. I remember Carragher retiring from international football early. I remember them all folding under pressure and this goes back to 1996 and so essentially covers every pundit on TV complaining about academies now and the soft players. Running around in their shorts during the winter didn't appear to toughen them up so FA have focused on actual development through coaching. And like I say, while chances aren't given we'll never reap what we have sown

I think a lot of it's ties in with what McDermott said in that seminar thing that was on here about football having gout, rich mans disease. I think it's good Spurs don't over indulge them as other clubs do

 

[IGSpur]

I think a lot of it's ties in with what McDermott said in that seminar thing that was on here about football having gout, rich mans disease. I think it's good Spurs don't over indulge them as other clubs do

Ye I know we do things the correct way, relatively speaking. But even still I find it difficult to hear ex pros criticising the young players, when firstly they hadn't won anything themselves, and secondly they played at a time where there was even more opportunity than now, so had better chances to capitalise on the chances they go

 

[spursfan77]

Regarding the England team they are being managed by Aidy Boothroyd. He currently has one of England's most talented age groups and has had them playing terrible football all year, with their talent alone getting them this far. He is the antichrist to this talk of England DNA and I don't know why he has been given charge of this group. It's like taking a footballing dinosaur and putting him in charge of the England national team, and having them looking like they don't know what they'er doing whilst the team is primarily made up of a side that was playing beautiful football in the same season.

If you listen or read any of his interviews this year and approaching the tournament it is quite embarrassing and he is basically admitting not knowing what he is doing and planning on lumping it up there. The layers aren't being utilised correctly and are looking bad. They are better players than this French team and are missing around 6 of their best. Its a shame really, and the worse bit is any casual or occasional watcher of youth football will see them during this tournament and it will just reinforce the general notion that these players aren't good enough for the PL smh. The irony is that Rashford, justifiably wasn't even considered better than them yet is now hailed as the best young players in the world. I've read some people saying they wished they could sign him, and he isn;t even the best striker in his age group, and the better strikers will not be given a chance. It's crazy how football works.

Re: Onomah, I could foresee people saying he looks lazy, it was my biggest worry and something that will still most likely see him as a target for abuse, as he will be given less time to establish himself by the fanbase if it doesn't appear he is trying. I had this debate with BC and beats1.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...outh-news-thread.110644/page-109#post-4333991

It is just his running style and as above he will most likely be following instructions. He is actually a very good presser and I think he has shown this under Poch and all through the youth teams. When not pressing on his side of the pitch he tends to amble but that doesn't mean he is lazy or like he isn't working hard. He always looks best and is at his best, when he in the game like as @Blake Griffin when he is picking the ball up from defenders and making things happen rather than waiting for the ball up top. When he is on the ball he is very active and looks to get forward. While he didn't have a great game yesterday as we didn't have much of the ball, he was still one of England's better players and I was happy be cause h started showing some long range passing in his game. He spread the play under pressure twice and also picked Abraham out with an excellent ball over the top whilst running with it, but Abraham was questionably offside. So he has been developing it seems.

My only real criticism of Onomah off the ball, is quite standard and it is that he can tend to lose his runner or lack awareness or urgency around his own box. It can be developed and is down to more inexperience and the fact he isn't really a defensive player.

He is also very quick, especially considering how much he has bulked up. It depends what the instructions are to the player, in the youth teams he will be pressing

I'm sure some have seen this but does he look lazy here, at 17 against Chelesa?



First start against Monaco, getting out quickly to the ball under Poch



and lastly if anyone can be arsed this is when our u17s faced Spartak Moscow and he and the rest of the team were running around and pressing. He was 15 at the time. He has grown up pressing. Without the ball even here he cans sometimes amble when the ball isn't near him but then he jumps into action



I'll admit his barnet is quite shocking atm, gutsy.

I could never understand the boothroyd appointment. It's almost like the FA don't want our players to succeed at times.

 

[newbie]

I personally think Harrison and Sterling were better than Obika and Coulthrist at the same age. Obika hit a purple patch around the age of 21 where he looked decent, but ultimately it was too late and we ahead Kane. Coulthrist looked like he could have been promising but he was shunted out wide for Coulibaly and they stopped focusing on his striker development and turned him into a hybrid winger. From what I remember of him regardless I would still have considered Harrison a better striker and Sterling is probably more similar to Coulthrist in style, though he probably doesn't have Coulthirst skill.

Kane technically always looked very good and had time on the ball and awareness. He always seemed a class above. He was a better goalscorer and more suited to adult football than Harrison at the same age , but Harrison was more languid. But Kane was the best of them. Harrison and Sterling could be good too



Don't really agree with this. We have been producing the best players we ever have since the academy revamp. While they are mollycoddled they don't ever get given a chance to prove if they are good enough of have the determination to succeed anyway. The problems are still the same which is a lack of pathways and reliance on foreign players.

I read Carragher write an article about how they don't have to clean boots bla bla bla and so have lost the mentality to succeed or not cope with the pressure on the big stage. Firstly, they still do clean boots, at Spurs anyway, but I don't remember the golden generation winning anything. I remember Carragher retiring from international football early. I remember them all folding under pressure and this goes back to 1996 and so essentially covers every pundit on TV complaining about academies now and the soft players. Running around in their shorts during the winter didn't appear to toughen them up so FA have focused on actual development through coaching. And like I say, while chances aren't given we'll never reap what we have sown

Agreed I thought Carragher has been a penis with his comments so has Gerrard as well, The golden generations football was dire. I think this young England group played far better football in the first few games let's forget Iceland.

Till we give youth a real chance how we will find talent. To many kids get written off two early they all peak at different times, I don't know what the solution is but unless they get a chance at competitive football. It's far to ray to buy foreign players, then give a lad a chance.