The Spurs Youth Thread – 2016/2017

[Blake Griffin]

CCV, Winks, Edwards and Ogilvie in the training vid. Great to see Ogilvie in there. Makes sense as Rose will be away fro a couple of weeks and Davies away longer. Hopefully he gets a real chance in preseason, look forward to seeing him play.

EDIT - looks like Grant Ward is in the training gallery pics too

lesniak, harrison and sterling in today's too.

 

[beats1]

Surely the academy should be constantly looking for fresh talent?

Not if the academy has high numbers already, they should have got rid of the some poor players that were kept to make room for fresh talent

We have some of the most talented players we have ever had and it looking harder for them to get a chance to play let alone progress

 

[IGSpur]

lesniak, harrison and sterling in today's too.

And Ball

 

[Gbspurs]

Not if the academy has high numbers already, they should have got rid of the some poor players that were kept to make room for fresh talent

We have some of the most talented players we have ever had and it looking harder for them to get a chance to play let alone progress

That's going to happen as we improve though. You think the likes of Neil Fenn would get near the first team nowadays? You have to believe the cream rises despite the challenge. Its not like we are Man Utd and are going to spend £50m on a star player to block the youth. They will get their chance.

 

[spurs9]

Hope so. I know people love buying new young players as they believe it provides competition however bringing in players based off potential, above ours is pointless. Just trust what you have.

I could understand if they were tearing up a league, but the chances of someone from an u19 tournament making it is no better than our players

I disagree, just from the England side alone, I would happily see us sign Rico Henry and Adam Armstrong and both are doing very well in league football. Croatia have some excellent young players to and they will be there and Renato Sanches has only just moved up to the senior team, he was with the U19s for their qualifying phase, so maybe there is a player close to him in ability.

 

[spurs9]

Not if the academy has high numbers already, they should have got rid of the some poor players that were kept to make room for fresh talent

We have some of the most talented players we have ever had and it looking harder for them to get a chance to play let alone progress

It depends what positions we are looking at though, if we are looking at LB's for example that is a good thing, as we don't really have any quality coming through.

 

[WindyCOYS]

Not if the academy has high numbers already, they should have got rid of the some poor players that were kept to make room for fresh talent

We have some of the most talented players we have ever had and it looking harder for them to get a chance to play let alone progress

Four competitions = a lot of games. I said the other day that I expect us to sign a few youngsters based on this.

 

[Sweech]

I disagree, just from the England side alone, I would happily see us sign Rico Henry and Adam Armstrong and both are doing very well in league football. Croatia have some excellent young players to and they will be there and Renato Sanches has only just moved up to the senior team, he was with the U19s for their qualifying phase, so maybe there is a player close to him in ability.

Adam Armstrong is a funny one.

I thought Newcastle would start using him in their Championship campaign, but it seems they'd rather spend 10mil on Dwight Gayle instead...which just adds to the point that Ryan Mason is cheap at 10 mil.

 

[beats1]

That's going to happen as we improve though. You think the likes of Neil Fenn would get near the first team nowadays? You have to believe the cream rises despite the challenge. Its not like we are Man Utd and are going to spend £50m on a star player to block the youth. They will get their chance.

The stuff I said was in reference to playing in the U21's

However a first team player doesnt block a youth player, its the shite in the squad that never plays and hardly is worth the money they earn that does. People wont like this but on this forum you see people saying we need more players like an AM meanwhile they overlooking the fact we have Eriksen, Lamela, Alli and Son for those positions. All young as well. Then we have one of the most talented DM/CM we have in Onomah or another talented player in Pritchard, not mentioning Mason who has been a big player for poch and doesnt include Chadli or N'Jie. Yet people are suggesting Edwards will get minutes next season at who's expense?

5 seasons ago the squads use to be smaller now the clubs think they need 25 first team players when managers including our own dont use the full 25 and stick to a small core like 18-20 max.

People when playing these squad games think a manager will do a like for like change but most managers if not all tend to rejig players to fit in a the first back up that they trust

As for the Cream will rise, it doesnt it needs the opportunity to rise. Mason may of had a poor season last season but before that he did very well under poch and he never got a look in under the other managers and people on here stated that was because the manager knows what he is doing and he isn't good enough. I dont think Kane would be in our first team were for Sherwood giving him a run of games

I disagree, just from the England side alone, I would happily see us sign Rico Henry and Adam Armstrong and both are doing very well in league football. Croatia have some excellent young players to and they will be there and Renato Sanches has only just moved up to the senior team, he was with the U19s for their qualifying phase, so maybe there is a player close to him in ability.

What about Winks and Onomah, they are two of our most talented players and they have yet to break in, with Onomah there cant be any complaints as he has got time but it is worrying that these players are getting less minutes than the previous group who weren't as good at the same age

Also the guys you are referring to wouldn't be playing at U21 level, they are above that like our own in KWP, Onomah and etc.

It depends what positions we are looking at though, if we are looking at LB's for example that is a good thing, as we don't really have any quality coming through.

Ogilvie has had a good season in League 2, Brown looks very good and imo Tsaroula looks bright as well.

I think LB isn't a issue at all considering we have two good relatively young LB's in the first team who are still improving. We need to find players. If anything we messed about too much last season as we chopped and changed too much at LB last season.

Four competitions = a lot of games. I said the other day that I expect us to sign a few youngsters based on this.

I expect us to have a full intake which includes may some signings depending on contracts but signing U19's would be pointless as they aren't likely to be eligible for the uefa youth league, the U18's and probably too good for the U21's(which imo last season was the worst it has ever been in terms of overall quality throughout the league)

Technically speaking is it not 5 competitions with the FAYC and the new Johnstone paint trophy or whatever the fuck its called.

 

[spurs9]

What about Winks and Onomah, they are two of our most talented players and they have yet to break in, with Onomah there cant be any complaints as he has got time but it is worrying that these players are getting less minutes than the previous group who weren't as good at the same age

Also the guys you are referring to wouldn't be playing at U21 level, they are above that like our own in KWP, Onomah and etc.

I think you have misunderstood my post, I was pointing out the quality of the players at the U19, in response to IG saying they would have no more chance of making it than any of our current U19 players, not suggesting we should sign them (though as I said, I would be happy if we did).

Ogilvie has had a good season in League 2, Brown looks very good and imo Tsaroula looks bright as well.

I think LB isn't a issue at all considering we have two good relatively young LB's in the first team who are still improving. We need to find players. If anything we messed about too much last season as we chopped and changed too much at LB last season.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Henry is 18 months younger, and had, IMO, a better season at a higher level than Ogilvie. I also think Henry's style is more suited to Poch's system than Ogilvie's too.

Also, we will find it very easy to loan players like Henry and Armstrong out due to them already impressing on a regular basis at a good level, so we could purchase with view to loan. With player prices getting ridiculous, I think this is a route worth taking.

 

[IGSpur]

I disagree, just from the England side alone, I would happily see us sign Rico Henry and Adam Armstrong and both are doing very well in league football. Croatia have some excellent young players to and they will be there and Renato Sanches has only just moved up to the senior team, he was with the U19s for their qualifying phase, so maybe there is a player close to him in ability.

Agree I actually don't mind signing an unknown talent for the first team, if we think they're ready, preferably keeping pathways in mind. So a striker or young winger. Would take Armstrong for our first team and a couple of other u19s strikers and maybe Henry Ogilvie. My point was just scouting and signing players to compete in our academy. Just give ours a chance and don't block them unless it's outstanding talent

 

[spurs9]

Agree I actually don't mind signing an unknown talent for the first team, if we think they're ready, preferably keeping pathways in mind. So a striker or young winger. Would take Armstrong for our first team and a couple of other u19s strikers and maybe Henry Ogilvie. My point was just scouting and signing players to compete in our academy. Just give ours a chance and don't block them unless it's outstanding talent

But I'm sure that is not the plan anyway.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 31s32 seconds ago
Tottenham Hotspur first-year scholars 2016-17: Goalkeepers: Jonathan de Bie & Charlie Freeman. Defenders: Jon Dinzeyi, TJ Eyoma &..

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 18s19 seconds ago
Tariq Hinds. Midfielders: Matthew Lock, Tashan Oakley-Boothe & Moroyin Omolabi. Striker: Reo Griffiths

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy now2 minutes ago
The only surprise is that Nya Kirby hasn’t signed, he was highly regarded by club & country & made a handful of U18 appearances last season.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 31s32 seconds ago
Tottenham Hotspur first-year scholars 2016-17: Goalkeepers: Jonathan de Bie & Charlie Freeman. Defenders: Jon Dinzeyi, TJ Eyoma &..

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy 18s19 seconds ago
Tariq Hinds. Midfielders: Matthew Lock, Tashan Oakley-Boothe & Moroyin Omolabi. Striker: Reo Griffiths

Tottenham Academy ‏@thfcacademy now2 minutes ago
The only surprise is that Nya Kirby hasn’t signed, he was highly regarded by club & country & made a handful of U18 appearances last season.

So what happened with Kirby then? I'm pretty sure the guys on here said he was good.

 

[spurs9]

So what happened with Kirby then? I'm pretty sure the guys on here said he was good.

They believe he has left but they are going by a tweet by Edo Maghoma, so it is possible that Edo just accidentally left him off, also he only named 9 players, 2 of which were GK's, so that would be a very small intake if that was all.

On another note, Breezer has said that Edwards has now signed a pro deal.

 

[Blake Griffin]

hopefully @IGSpur won't mind me spilling the beans but he'd heard similarly about kirby a while back. arsenal and others have been chasing him hard so it looks like he might've signed elsewhere unfortunately. oakley-boothe was the other with a lot of interest but thankfully we've managed to keep him - imo he's the better of the two but naturally i'd rather we had both ...

 

[Spursidol]

hopefully @IGSpur won't mind me spilling the beans but he'd heard similarly about kirby a while back. arsenal and others have been chasing him hard so it looks like he might've signed elsewhere unfortunately. oakley-boothe was the other with a lot of interest but thankfully we've managed to keep him - imo he's the better of the two but naturally i'd rather we had both ...

I'm guessing Tottenham, Academy is reporting either the players he has been told who have signed or who are currently training.

Its not yet on OS so still a chance Kirby will sign, even though that might sound like clutching at straws

 

[Blake Griffin]

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/efl-trophy-format-confirmed-for-201617-3170687.aspx

The first 16 clubs with Category One Academies that have been invited to take part in the EFL Trophy 2016/17 are Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Leicester City, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United, Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Swansea City, Tottenham Hotspur, West Bromwich Albion and West Ham United.

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/under-21s/general/development-squad-training-050716/

Looks like Ugo Ehiogu is still in charge of u21's. Am hoping he spent part of the summer break on intensive coaching/management sessions to improve on last season's performance.

Players picture training with the development squad include Oduwa, Amos and Lesniak, all of whom might have been candidates to train with the currently depleted first team for the next couple of weeks - Oduwa especially as he seemed to do well last pre-season

 

[Spursidol]

http://www.efl.com/news/article/2016/efl-trophy-format-confirmed-for-201617-3170687.aspx

I've also seen the proposed dates for matches, all in international breaks, so one game in EFL trophy at end of August, then another about 5 weeks later, followed by another 5 weeks later etc.

Going to be hard to remember where we are before every game.

Much better to have games every couple of weeks to maintain interest in them.

Initial format will be groups of 4 with one PL academy team in each group along with 3 teams from League 1 and League 2 -definitely followed by knock out phase with the competition going to end of the season. Explains I guess why we kept so many of the development squad on to play in the competition.

Edit :
Player Eligibility Criteria:

- EFL Clubs – a minimum of 5 ‘First Team’ players in the starting 11 as defined under the competition’s existing rules.

- Invited Clubs – 6 of the starting 11 to be U21 (as at June 30).

Read more at http://www.efl.com/news/article/201...d-for-201617-3170687.aspx#9jY7Oi8KB7Q4ti6Z.99