The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Bus-Conductor]

too simple. We have a first choice three. Wimmer has got the nod as first reserve, but might not even stay. CCV is next in line, as proven by Poch continuing to give him exposure to challenges like the last friendly.

If he was a goalie and had four in front of him then I could accept what you're saying. He wouldn't feature.

But he's not. And he will. And, at this rate, he's a disaster waiting to happen.

And I can see Dier having also to fill in at RB, as well as having to play CM if Wanyama is not around (we need one or the other in there).

This weakness, and Janssen, will be our undoing. So close to having a truly competitive squad, but with no sign of anyone doing anything about it- in fact most, like you, remain in de nile.

Truly competitive ? We've just had our best season for fifty odd years, finished close second in the PL, scored the most, conceded the least etc...Perhaps if we'd signed Ibrahimavic as back up for Kane we could have been lucky enough to finish 6th ?

FFS, it's not all about how much money you spend, Poch himself said this week it's about your coaching, tactics and collective spirit. A big part of building that kind of collective spirit further would be to progress a couple of exceptionally talented kids that have been part of this club since childhood.

And Janssen fits that ethos too, I'd rather have him out there working his arse off for the team than some selfish Defoe type who does fuck all for anyone except himself and touches the ball 3 times a week.

 

[cliff jones]

Ok so basically you wanted to be able to say 'Levy is a ****, spend some fucking money', weren't there enough other threads for that?

that brings nothing to this debate.

I'm very disappointed with Janssen but that wasn't just Levy, was it?

Likewise, I don't want money thown a more AMs. Give GKN in particular a chance. And IF Sissoko can have a proper pre-season you never know. Again, that purchase wasn't just Levy, was it?

But it's dreamland to suggest we can produce two Prem/CL ready players for every position from the academy.

19 other PL teams have dipped into the market. Not unreasonable for us to do likewise to address the isolated weaknesses we have in a squad entering four comps.

Thankfully, Poch said maybe we will sign a few players- I hope one of them will be an RCB.

 

[cliff jones]

Truly competitive ? We've just had our best season for fifty odd years, finished close second in the PL, scored the most, conceded the least etc...Perhaps if we'd signed Ibrahimavic as back up for Kane we could have been lucky enough to finish 6th ?

FFS, it's not all about how much money you spend, Poch himself said this week it's about your coaching, tactics and collective spirit. A big part of building that kind of collective spirit further would be to progress a couple of exceptionally talented kids that have been part of this club since childhood.

And Janssen fits that ethos too, I'd rather have him out there working his arse off for the team than some selfish Defoe type who does fuck all for anyone except himself and touches the ball 3 times a week.

Who mentioned it's all about money? Or a player like Defoe? Only you mate.

Who refuted all these other characteristics of a great team and squad? Not me.

Don't insinuate I did.

I enjoyed our Prem campaign just as much as you last season but I also want us to compete in the other comps, too.
We need to add a couple to the squad to do that, in my opinion. I'd rather not see Janssen out there at all, play with a false nine or whatever- because I don't rate the geezer. I've seen a bit of KWP and I like, and Josh could be a player perhaps at DM or box to box. But not CCV, I've seen enough, he's miles short.

 

[mpickard2087]

that brings nothing to this debate.

I'm very disappointed with Janssen but that wasn't just Levy, was it?

Likewise, I don't want money thown a more AMs. Give GKN in particular a chance. And IF Sissoko can have a proper pre-season you never know. Again, that purchase wasn't just Levy, was it?

But it's dreamland to suggest we can produce two Prem/CL ready players for every position from the academy.

19 other PL teams have dipped into the market. Not unreasonable for us to do likewise to address the isolated weaknesses we have in a squad entering four comps.

Thankfully, Poch said maybe we will sign a few players- I hope one of them will be an RCB.

Again, I don't see why replacing our 5th choice centre back is an issue.

I don't think anyone has suggested what you are saying that we will have a full squad of academy products. On occasion some may get a bit excited, but most just opine about who they think could and should receive a chance.

Personally if I have seen someone in the U21's and like what I have seen and think they have certain qualities, I'd rather they were given the opportunity before we looked to buy - especially when talking about positions 20-25 in the squad. I'm not scared though if they fail, I'd rather find out. Now to be honest, CCV would be quite far down my list of how I'd rank academy prospects of the last few years, but I'd give him more than 45 mins in a friendly before saying he would be a disaster in the first team. He's 19. Remember Kane?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

For those criticising 19-year old CCV, Lindelof, United's new 23-year old CB, signed for up to £40m, just did this:



CBs make mistakes, CCV will make more, he's 5th choice CB and it really isn't a big deal.

 

[IGSpur]

For those criticising 19-year old CCV, Lindelof, United's new 23-year old CB, signed for up to £40m, just did this:



CBs make mistakes, CCV will make more, he's 5th choice CB and it really isn't a big deal.

Watched this. Ridiculous challenge.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Where's that on ?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Who mentioned it's all about money? Or a player like Defoe? Only you mate.

Who refuted all these other characteristics of a great team and squad? Not me.

Don't insinuate I did.

I enjoyed our Prem campaign just as much as you last season but I also want us to compete in the other comps, too.
We need to add a couple to the squad to do that, in my opinion. I'd rather not see Janssen out there at all, play with a false nine or whatever- because I don't rate the geezer. I've seen a bit of KWP and I like, and Josh could be a player perhaps at DM or box to box. But not CCV, I've seen enough, he's miles short.

Ok fair enough, maybe I misunderstood you, but to say we aren't truly competitive is a bit daft, no ? We were pipped to the title by a side that didn't have European football to contend with. We have only lost a RB and clearly have a very talented one emerging. We have Onomah and Winks to bring into CM and We also have players like Lamela and Nkoudou (god willing maybe Edwards if he signs his contract) who would be like new signings if they get involved.

And if we sell Sissoko we'd be even stronger.

 

[glospur]

But it's dreamland to suggest we can produce two Prem/CL ready players for every position from the academy.

Well good thing no one has ever suggested this then, hey?

Absolutely bizarre that your next post in this thread would be to complain that people are attributing things to you that you never said. Do you recognise the hypocrisy there?

 

[Flashspur]

Who mentioned it's all about money? Or a player like Defoe? Only you mate.

Who refuted all these other characteristics of a great team and squad? Not me.

Don't insinuate I did.

I enjoyed our Prem campaign just as much as you last season but I also want us to compete in the other comps, too.
We need to add a couple to the squad to do that, in my opinion. I'd rather not see Janssen out there at all, play with a false nine or whatever- because I don't rate the geezer. I've seen a bit of KWP and I like, and Josh could be a player perhaps at DM or box to box. But not CCV, I've seen enough, he's miles short.

Agree with you that KWP is closer but the lad strikes me as a RWB and not a RB. As far as CCV is concerned I think he is further back then KWP however you cant hide in a CB role. Its a lot tougher.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

But not CCV, I've seen enough, he's miles short.

This is possibly the most ridiculous of all the ridiculous things you've posted in this thread. CCV was very poor against PSG - but he was 19 and playing against the best team he's ever played against. Most world class CBs weren't playing first team football at all at 19. It's a position which requires so much experience and nous. Writing him off from what we've seen thus far is a joke.

 

[ButchCassidy]

I've seen enough, he's miles short.

I'm gonna hazard a guess you felt this way about Kane about three years ago too, like a lot of our fans...

 

[Betha]

The screen shot below is from the moment KWP changes from a jog to sprint, as you can see, we have a player challenging the PSG player with the ball and wins the ball, the loose ball will either go to our player, to which KWP is going to be the outlet, so can't be too far back, or it will go to the PSG player closest to the ref, in which case KWP needs to close down the PSG player on the edge of the center circle. The biggest issue here is CCV, as not only has he left a man unmarked but he is playing 2 players onside.

Very good breakdown, thank you for the effort.

I'm not so sure about CCV being an issue here though.

First of all, as Lloris plays the ball out left, CCV is left with the long run out. Where Verthongen can run straight out into the right position, CCV will have to run far longer to get into his right position. When the ball comes back, he has not been able to get into the defensive line, and has to make a decision about who he should cover. It can be seen (in picture 1 and 2) that he decides to move a bit to left to cover the PSG player at the right who, if not closed down will be through on goal with a straight pass (in my book CCV is right here).

So, if the ball had been played to the right from Lloris, Verthongen would have been in the same position, unable to get out into the right position, and play PSG onside.

If anything, I would have liked Lloris to knock it further up when we decide not to play out. These sort of plays, will to easily get us into trouble, and a bit more cynicism would at least mean we lose the ball further up the field, and eeverybody will have enough time to organize.

 

[SamR]

Pre-seasons and friendlies are there so younger players can learn, express themselves and find out what top level football is all about. It's actually fortunate that they get to do this against PSG and other top teams in the world. They will have learned more in that game then any before.
I'm not concerned about mistakes from any of them at this point. They will all progress and fingers crossed start making our bench more regularly as the season develops.

 

[littlewilly]

This is possibly the most ridiculous of all the ridiculous things you've posted in this thread. CCV was very poor against PSG - but he was 19 and playing against the best team he's ever played against. Most world class CBs weren't playing first team football at all at 19. It's a position which requires so much experience and nous. Writing him off from what we've seen thus far is a joke.

That's a very good post and I agree with you completely. I don't like to knock other members of this board but Mr CJ is as dour as his namesake was ebullient.

 

[longtimespur]

That's a very good post and I agree with you completely. I don't like to knock other members of this board but Mr CJ is as dour as his namesake was ebullient.

I agree and the emboldened is still ebullient.

 

[yankspurs]

Watching the corn hole video from the tour, it seems that Brandon Austin is bald. So dont be surprised if he makes it. Theres just something about bald American keepers at this point.

 

[thefierycamel]

A couple of young defenders messed up in a friendly, it happens. It'd be far more concerning if it was someone like otamendi at a cost of 40m+ doing shit like that.

 

[coys200]

Been reviewing the 2nd PSG goal from last night. First of all Onomah gets in Nkoudou's way. I'm not sure why Onomah is even over there. Nkoudou takes in the ball tries to turn and run with it and Onomah is literally a yard away. The PSG player ploughs in and Onomah backs off, presumably to be a simple option for Nkoudou, although given Nkoudou is now facing his own goal its not an easy pass. So first mystery is solved: Why wasn't Onomah over on the other flank supporting KWP? Because he was over the other side of the pitch. Maybe this was what they were instructed to do, overload PSG's right side, who knows but it backfired because KWP is holding down the entire right hand side of the pitch. The nearest player to KWP is Dembele who is on the far side of the D from KWPs perspective.

KWP is watching this transpire from some 40 yards out. From the moment he sees Nkoudou's momentum come to a grinding halt to the point that he, KWP, reacts and starts jogging back is 3 seconds. Now that doesn't sound a lot but watching it in real time its frustrating. He must see the goalscorer standing completely free. He doesn't break into a sprint until the pass is practically being played to the scorer. By then its too late. As for the rest of the defence...they've been pulled right over to that right side. Its suicide in the circumstances because KWP hasn't been ordered back and no one has noticed that there is a PSG player in acres.

We'll put it down to pre-season rustiness but it was mental, not physical sloppiness. Poor on so many levels.

You being serious?Kwp is in exactly correct position if you look he is level with Davies on the other side.The whole issue is Ccv playing 3 players onside.If Ccv was in correct position the goal scorer would be 5 yards offside.KWP had no chance to get back,is totally faultless in that goal.

 

[coys200]

In regard to Ccv he is of course 5th and would rarely be called upon unless we have injury crisis.could even argue 6th as Davies can slot into a 3.Anyway for me the issue is wimmer.Essentially he should be our 1st choice back as you have no idea if dier might be needed in CM.And basically I just dont trust wimmer.Its clear wimmer could be upgraded.As for Ccv he was shocking against psg no getting away from it.But willing to give him another season around squad as really we will barely need him.