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coy-spurs1882

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Perhaps let's have a general vote here: whether Poch should concentrate on getting us the best results or on playing juniors.
THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE! i can't see how bringing a young player on when we are 3-0 with 10 minutes to go would spoil the result
 

coy-spurs1882

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I don't think saying players going abroad or for that matter leaving to get game time is necessarily a negative - it's more around the frequent doom and gloom comments that go with it "what's the point? Nobody will want to come to our academy as we never give anyone a reason to" type of stuff.

I'm also still waiting for any of the players we've sold - Bentaleb, Veljkovic, Azzaoui to convince me that we made a massive error and that they would have had any more success with us than Tom Caroll (who I liked), although I can see that if we were a bit more cut throat and cynical we might have made more money out of it.

I might be reaching a bit here but perhaps being willing to let players move on when they feel playing time is the most important thing might make us more attractive then someone like Chelsea who pay more but keep a player on their books forever?
imo we have been successful on bentaleb as we sold him for a decent fee. so as livermore, caulker, townsend, carroll and mason. fredericks, smith, veljkovic were those we failed as i think we can sell for more if we give them some minutes for the first team. so as pritchard, although the fee was decent too.
you have two types of success regarding academy players, one is they become regular players for the first team (kane), or you sell them for a good fee if we can replace them with better players (those i mentioned above).
 

fridgemagnet

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I note your point regarding that you need other types of players. However, whilst I think Marsh was competent at u18s I feel he is being increasingly found out around higher calibre, stronger, faster footballers. His discilpine is appalling and there has been argument for him to be sent off in nearly every game he's featured in. I don't think his skillset is high enough to warrant waiting to see if he can improve his physical side of the game.

Your Tracey argument is spot on. I find is so depressing that we would stunt game time for players like Shashoua.
Fair points, maybe youve seen more of Marsh than I have, the few games Ive seen, he's always played quite well, competed, been reliable with the ball etc.

My Nephew has just started playing for the same youth side setup thing as Marsh was picked up by Spurs from (or however it works), my brother got talking with the coach (Liverpool fan, fancies himself as a Jurgen clop :rolleyes: his son's automatic first pick surprise surprise) anyway, apparently he (Marsh) has the attributes to go quite far in the game his problem is he's very eager to impress/excitable, hot headed and easily wound up hence the ill discipline. So it's a shame if that's still not been knocked out of him.
I might have that a bit wrong as I was two thirds pissed when he was explaining it to me.
 

Matecheck

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Perhaps let's have a general vote here: whether Poch should concentrate on getting us the best results or on playing juniors.


Sorry Chinaman, but that is one of the worst strawman posts I've ever seen on the entire interwebs. Shows that you either have not read any of the arguments, or haven't understood them.
 

IGSpur

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My Nephew has just started playing for the same youth side setup thing as Marsh was picked up by Spurs from (or however it works), my brother got talking with the coach (Liverpool fan, fancies himself as a Jurgen clop :rolleyes: his son's automatic first pick surprise surprise) anyway, apparently he (Marsh) has the attributes to go quite far in the game his problem is he's very eager to impress/excitable, hot headed and easily wound up hence the ill discipline. So it's a shame if that's still not been knocked out of him.
I might have that a bit wrong as I was two thirds pissed when he was explaining it to me.

Marsh was more than promising in u16s and his first year. Excllebt control, calm tenacious aggressive. As the years went on and he was also moved about it a bit all that seemed to show was the aggression. Became a bit Mark Nobly. Just seemed to get into a big challenge per game then square up and ruffle feathers. As @Bus-Conductor made with his Bemnetts/Edwards comparison. If I wanted that water carrier in. The team I would definitely be giving it to Skipp/TOB or Amos first. Even with Lesniak, I'd rather have used one of those first.
 

Blake Griffin

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We're letting players we don't deem good enough leave instead of wasting money and resources on them, I never said it was positive but I don't see how it's a negative, it makes sense and as others have pointed out, how many have we got wrong?
It's not the end of the world.

that's clearly not what is happening with bennetts, or the likes of griffiths and madueke. we're "letting" them go in much the same way that we're probably going to end up "letting" alderweireld go. even with those we do manage to keep fans don't think are good enough and will reel of a list of reasons why they can't play, so whether they stay or not seemingly doesn't make much of a difference anyway.
 

nicdic

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that's clearly not what is happening with bennetts, or the likes of griffiths and madueke. we're "letting" them go in much the same way that we're probably going to end up "letting" alderweireld go. even with those we do manage to keep fans don't think are good enough and will reel of a list of reasons why they can't play, so whether they stay or not seemingly doesn't make much of a difference anyway.
It appears we're selling Bennetts which would imply we don't think he'll make it in the first team. The others I get, they are taking options elsewhere because they're not under pro contracts. If Bennetts goes it's because we have sold him.
 

Blake Griffin

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It appears we're selling Bennetts which would imply we don't think he'll make it in the first team. The others I get, they are taking options elsewhere because they're not under pro contracts. If Bennetts goes it's because we have sold him.

he has a year left on his deal and wants to leave, so either we get a fee for him or he goes for nothing. i'm pretty certain that if he were happy to stay then we'd be signing him up to a two year extension, just as we've done with shashoua.
 

George94

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I'd expect an announcement of Bennett's transfer in the next few days...

Also wonder whether the club will announce Griffiths signing a pro contract on twitter? Would seem a missed opportunity if they don't, as its almost become a running joke on Spurs twitter to "announce Griffiths promotion".
 

Blake Griffin

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I'd expect an announcement of Bennett's transfer in the next few days...

Also wonder whether the club will announce Griffiths signing a pro contract on twitter? Would seem a missed opportunity if they don't, as its almost become a running joke on Spurs twitter to "announce Griffiths promotion".

i can't recall us ever announcing first pro contracts before so i doubt we'll get any official confirmation … and a much as reo likes the attention, i don't think it would do him many favours in the long run.
 

George94

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i can't recall us ever announcing first pro contracts before so i doubt we'll get any official confirmation … and a much as reo likes the attention, i don't think it would do him many favours in the long run.

Hmm, I'm not so sure now...Didn't we announced Edwards? or Onomah?
 

Blake Griffin

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Hmm, I'm not so sure now...Didn't we announced Edwards? or Onomah?

only extensions.

here's onomah's first contract announcement and here is edwards'. we usually hear about their first contracts, just not from the club. i remember with marcus we got confirmation from @thfcacademy(where is he now?) that he'd signed a one year pro(with a club option to extend another year). i think the reason we don't announce first contracts is that we give them to the majority of scholars so it's only really news when they've then been signed on again.
 

T-Love92

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Bennetts mother is german, he speaks german , Gladbach is a solid german club where he will get more opportunities than here ... really can't blame him
 

coys200

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Bennetts mother is german, he speaks german , Gladbach is a solid german club where he will get more opportunities than here ... really can't blame him

Also think it’s that and a combination of the club not being 100% sold on him. He still had a year left, they could easily have made him assurances and Cup games if they really wanted to keep him. Been overlooked by England as well hasn’t he, maybe he’s not quite as good as we think. Maybe the odd spectacular goal masked his all round play.
 

sammyj

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No more buying average players for big money , thats what stopping alot of the from coming through imo
 

mpickard2087

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I don't think it's a case of right and wrong and which players have come back to haunt us. I guess it's down to each individuals viewpoint but personally I look at what the alternative is/was. Some of these pre-date the current era, a lot don't, but I look round at some of the players who are in the top leagues now:

Right backs - Adam Smith is an established PL right back. Ryan Fredericks will probably soon be (maybe should already be) at that level. Could either (especially Smith) have been given a chance instead of the limited, and pretty awful, Kyle Naughton?

Left backs - Charlie Daniels is also established at this level. He came through when we had an era of dross in the position. Yuri Berchiche hasn't done too badly for himself, in his era there wasn't much alternative to Assou-Ekotto, so there were probably chances available there.

Veljkovic is playing in the Bundesliga. At either centre back or centre mid, could he have set a lower bar than the likes of Chiriches, Fazio, Paulinho, Stambouli, Capoue etc?

In centre mid I'd have rather persisted with Bentaleb (team at top of Bundesliga) or Onomah, and at attacking mid Pritchard, rather than the epic blunderbuss that is Sissoko.

Or Pritchard instead of the random headless chicken no end product N'Rubbish that we signed. Heck, we had one of those in the academy already, in the form of Oduwa, if we wanted that sort of no impact player......

And that's just ones off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more but I'm writing this in a rush, and it doesn't even mention those who have forged a career elsewhere, maybe 2nd tier. Some of these might not have ultimately made it here, they might have been usurped eventually, and they might not even have added any extra impact beyond what those squad players ultimately did (though they could hardly have fared worse)..... but just the way I see football and developing players instead of just buying and buying, I'd have preferred to give all those a shot rather than the bought in mediocrity that we decided was the best we could do and that did get a chance instead. They couldn't have offered any less, and we'd be many many many millions of pounds better off.
 
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DJS

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Shame about Bennetts.

Wonder if was a case if we didn’t think good enough (hence lack of chances) or he just fancied Germany more.

Only 19 so a bit young to be pushing for first team, although with Rose unavailable for large parts of last season I think we were a bit remiss not to at least include him in some squads.

Unless he isn’t as good as he feels he is?

I’d heard good things about him in here though and always sad to see someone like this leave.

Was he the one from bristol?
 
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