The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

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You can call him if you guess the 6 numbers that I’ve marked over

Is he a student of the club's history? If so, 617181 might be a shout

 

[EQP]

Josh Onomah stats tonight according to WhoScored:

Rating: 7.62 (third highest after Hutton & Chester)


Shots: 0

Touches: 68

Passes: 30/36 (83%)

Key passes: 2

Dribbles: 5/7 (71%)

Dribbled past: 1

Aerials won: 1

Tackles: 6/7 (86%)

Clearances: 3

Interceptions: 1

Dispossessed: 2

Fouls: 2


The Villa fans scapegoats him all the time, don’t listen to them.

This could end up being similar to Kane's relationship with the Leicester fans if Villa get promoted and Onomah manages to break into our 1st team next season. Would absolutely love it if Onomah were to score a goal or two if it plays out like that

 

[coys200]

Reo_revaldo

Whoops he liked the Leipzig rumour . Strange picking quite an obscure name as well so fans can’t find your account.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

English football has the same problem that Spain had in the late 80's, Italy and Germany had after their booms of the mid late 80's to the mid 90's and France and Scotland of the early 90's. They were leagues flooded with money and as a result foreign talent. This blocked pathways for younger talent and a whole generation of players were lost. They then went through what was subsequently known as the "dark ages" in terms of youth development. Scotland and Italy are still struggling to find their way out for entirely political reasons. France and Germany got their acts together. However, it wasn't political will or luck that resulted in the attempts to fix the situation, it was very real economic circumstances. The booms turned to bust. In Italy, Spain, France and Germany established top division clubs went to the wall or very close to it. In Scotland this happened to a lesser extent with pretty much everyone bar Celtic having to adjust to living hand to mouth.

England will not become a leader in youth development until the boom is over. It will come to an end, all booms do. Until that time the political will to implement meaningful change cannot and will not find any traction. For evidence of this basic principle just look at the 2008 financial crisis. Everyone and their dog (well, apart from those ideologues of the Right) knew the system was f*cked long before it went pop but who's going to turn round to the shareholders and tell them that whilst everyone else is making money hand over fist their company is going to be run along sustainable but significantly less profitable lines. No one and that's what happened. No one dared. The same principle exists in football. No one shuts the stable door until the horses have bolted.

I'm not sure France, Germany or even Spain have ever really had similar "boom" effect of 80/90's Italy or the current English boom.

And while all of those countries had lean spells, most of them continually churned out decent footballers and continued to win, or at least perform well, in international tournaments (Spain less than the other three who were nothing special through much of the 80’s and 90’s) throughout the 80’s and 90’s.

This isn’t just about boom economics, until 5-6 years ago English academy coaching (coaching in general) was dire and created a culture whereby it wasn’t just about being able to afford the very best, it was about value for money, so in the 90’s and early 00’s even Swedes and Norwegians at 1,2,3m represented better value than poorly coached, technically inferior English players. It created a culture of mistrust in English players, which still prevails today, now made worse by the economic boom.

Boom economics doesn't completely explain why Championship, League 1 and 2 sides aren't integrating better, again, it's about coaching (or an inability to coach) and culture and this inherent perception that experience is always best.

 

[SpursD22]

Whoops he liked the Leipzig rumour . Strange picking quite an obscure name as well so fans can’t find your account.

Oh shit he actually did. Hopefully that doesn’t mean anything

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Can't remember if it was a Spurs ITK or where I read it, but I remember reading that European clubs are coming after our talent as they know they are better.

I'm pretty are it wasn't because they are better per se, lets be honest, Germany won the Confed with a virtual U23 side, then won the U21 WC (or Euros) with a second string U21 side. I think it was just that they can see that England is now producing very talented footballers than have no pathway, which German clubs can make better use of because they have a better culture of integration.

 

[coysjod]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1828955727123741&id=487558751263452

Already better than sissoko

The scary part is that when it comes down to first touch and technical skills it's actually true.

 

[coys200]

Oh shit he actually did. Hopefully that doesn’t mean anything

Might just be flattered by it Hopefully.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Out of curiosity, in the last 20 years or so how many players that we have discarded or rejected as youths have gone on to play regular PL football?

Just to add to the ones IG mentioned above, you also have Birchiche who played for PSG at Real the other night, Veljkovic playing regularly for Bremen, Falque who plays regularly for Torino, Taraabt at Genoa. I think Azzaoui is currently playing in Holland on loan from Wolfsburg.

 

[EQP]

Anyone know if there will be a link to watch the Uefa Youth League tomorrow?

 

[Cornpattbuck]

THANK YOU.

Again I know you NEED to work hard and can't just expect anything given to you, but if you're not running around like a British Bulldog in England you'll struggle to come through, and fans won't appreciate you unless you're doing something magical like Berbatov

Here's where I disagree, sorry.

Look at major recent footballing nations such as France, Italy, Spain, Germany etc.

While no doubt there's a huge amount of technical ability, nearly all their players have also been mentally and physically tough - apart from Ozil...

Passion + commitment + technique = world class... usually.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Just noticed that too - don't search his name on Twitter, it's an absolute nightmare. Their fans *hate* him.

Look at Leicester fans with Kane still. Fingers crossed Josh sticks two fingers up at them and this is the dynamite he needs to find those extra few percent in the men's game. Head down and do EVERYTHING you gotta do to make that talent shine.

 

[danielneeds]

I'm pretty are it wasn't because they are better per se, lets be honest, Germany won the Confed with a virtual U23 side, then won the U21 WC (or Euros) with a second string U21 side. I think it was just that they can see that England is now producing very talented footballers than have no pathway, which German clubs can make better use of because they have a better culture of integration.

And as another poster pointed out - they know that if any of these players shine in Germany, PL clubs will be desperate to buy them back for big bucks because of home grown quotas.

 

[blackburn]

I like this thread and share the view that there is nothing better than seeing a young lad come through the ranks and establish himself. Reading the Villa fans comments it seems they feel the same and some object to a big time Charlie from Spurs blocking their progress. The little I've seen of Onomah I like him but I'm not sure where his preferred position is.

Where I disagree with some is I believe that if Poch thinks a young player is good enough he'll give them every chance. KWP is behind Trips and Aurier in the pecking order, if in training he was doing better than them why would Poch not pick him? His job is to win football matches, if he doesn't eventually he'll lose his job.

Anyway thanks to those who watch the youth and pass on reports, very interesting, let's hope some of them kick on.

 

[Dharmabum]

IGSpur said: ↑
THANK YOU.

Again I know you NEED to work hard and can't just expect anything given to you, but if you're not running around like a British Bulldog in England you'll struggle to come through, and fans won't appreciate you unless you're doing something magical like Berbatov

Here's where I disagree, sorry.

Look at major recent footballing nations such as France, Italy, Spain, Germany etc.

While no doubt there's a huge amount of technical ability, nearly all their players have also been mentally and physically tough - apart from Ozil...

Passion + commitment + technique = world class... usually.

The key-words here are "running around" and "British bulldog". It is the way that the British bulldog runs that make the British fans feel whether the player is giving his all or not. A bulldog just ozes of energy - but it may not be clever in the way it uses the energy and thus simply end up running around
F.ex., I remember some fans complained about the work/run rate of Eriksen and even Lamela - until stats showed that they are some of the hardest runners in the EPL. And the reason some (many) fans did not "recognize" their run-rate was because they run like gazzelas and as opposed the energic way of the british bulldogs

 

[coys200]

Anyone know if there will be a link to watch the Uefa Youth League tomorrow?

It’s on btsport.

 

[Anuth]

 

[Anuth]

 

[coys200]

Great team and pretty nice bench excited lol.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

What time is this actually kicking off ?