The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018

[Cornpattbuck]

KWP playing at left back is good for him in the long run because it means he's an option for minutes on both sides of the defence

He's also clearly confident doing it and I've never really seen him as much of a crosser anyway. Very tidy little player though.

Needs to Lahm it and make sure he's the bollocks tactically and with his decision making. Definitely going to have a very decent career.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

He's also clearly confident doing it and I've never really seen him as much of a crosser anyway. Very tidy little player though.

Needs to Lahm it and make sure he's the bollocks tactically and with his decision making. Definitely going to have a very decent career.

Funnily enough, just checked Lahm's Wki and it opens with:

"Philipp Lahm (German pronunciation:[ˈfɪlɪp ˈlaːm]; born 11 November 1983) is a German retired professional footballer who played as a right back or defensive midfielder and spent much of his early career playing left back."

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Haha! Don't be ridiculous! Anyone telling Redknapp to do anything would have made him do the opposite. Think you're letting yourself down a bit here mate.

Redknapp gave a post match and said “”they” told me he’s better on the left, so I put him back there”

Nobody really knows who the mystical “they” were, Joe and Kevin, Jamie, Sandra and Louise, you or the crowd at WHL...

 

[mpickard2087]

It wasn’t the crowd, but Redknapp gave a post match and said “”they” told me he’s better on the left, so I put him there”

Ahh yes, one of Redknapp's 'they told me to do it' moments...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Ahh yes, one of Redknapp's 'they told me to do it' moments...

Indeed

As in “they” told him not to sign Louis Saurez

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Redknapp gave a post match and said “”they” told me he’s better on the left, so I put him back there”

Nobody really knows who the mystical “they” were, Joe and Kevin, Jamie, Sandra and Louise, you or the crowd at WHL...

Did he though? Mid game? You mad.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Indeed

As in “they” told him not to sign Louis Saurez

B- for spelling.

 

[Streetspur77]

I disagree with this whole sentiment. I see that you just joined in 2017 and I don't know if you lurked on this sight before signing up, but previous incarnations of this thread when @Spursidol ran the show, back when Kane, Mason, Townsend, Livermore, Caulker, Rose, Obika and Smith were breaking through this thread was all about their development and backing them.

Now I know you'll say, but times have changed competition in our squad is at an all time high. While I agree with that this squad is miles ahead of the best of Redknapp's lot, but they still played at an incredible level making it very unrelistic to expect any of these youths to break through. Very similar to current conditions.

That didnt stop us fans from voicing our ideas and thoughts about the youth integration policies of the club. The good and the bad. We speculated about what could be improved upon, who should be given a chance, none of it was in the spirit of anti establishment/manager. Because at the end of the day it was all in good spirits and made with the best of intentions.

Nobody interpreted those posts any other way then, these lot have a strong enthuisiam for spurs that extends all the way to the academy. Not that we have some strange fetish to see our entire first team be made up of academy graduates.


Why does this passion existent, for me I always saw the academy as a way for us to close the gap to the big boys. By maximizing the talent that is already at the club. That's why when I see talents like Onomah, KWP, Edwards and TOB possibly going to waste because the club isnt acting in the best interst in regards to their development, I'm going to voice my frustrations.

I don't understand why all of sudden it is such a heinous crime to express this enthuisiams, and I'm sure @IGSpur shares in my confusion and that's what lead to the ott reaction. I really hope this post, helps heal this thread and returns it to it's glory days.

I lurked for about 2 years so I did see previous incarnations of this thread but that's not what I was talking about.

No matter what the thread used to be like it's now quite toxic against poch and I can start to sense some resentment, rightly or wrongly, so people can't play the persecuted minority on a forum thing when a majority in that thread agree and are critical of pochs youth intergration, well they can if they want but it just doesn't make sense.

I don't doubt anyone's intentions, anyone who enters this thread or any spurs fan even wants as many youth players in the first team as possible. In fact it was IG, no matter how much I respect his opinions on youth, that implied that some people don't want KWP to break through and that's what I took exception to. I've never taken exception to someone just sharing their view but that was just divisive bullshit.

I'm not here to defend poch and I've already said that I'd like more intergration. All I've really said is I don't like the hyperbole that surrounds everything. I'm not going to accept that apparently I don't want KWP to get chances just because I'm not hyper critical, I don't think KWP is "two years behind where he should be" whatever that means and I don't think poch has anti-academy bias. I just think as a young manager he's going through a moment where his philosophy is having to be balanced against being successful and he's not getting the balance right atm, and hopefully along with players such as onomah and Edwards stepping up, as I don't it's fair to wholly blame poch for their situations, he can get it sorted and a bit more balanced.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Did he though? Mid game? You mad.

Err no, that’s why I said post match?

C- for....er....reading stuff...

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Err no, that’s why I said post match?

C- for....er....reading stuff...

So not mid game then. D+ all round.

 

[allpaths]

I lurked for about 2 years so I did see previous incarnations of this thread but that's not what I was talking about.

No matter what the thread used to be like it's now quite toxic against poch and I can start to sense some resentment, rightly or wrongly, so people can't play the persecuted minority on a forum thing when a majority in that thread agree and are critical of pochs youth intergration, well they can if they want but it just doesn't make sense.

I don't doubt anyone's intentions, anyone who enters this thread or any spurs fan even wants as many youth players in the first team as possible. In fact it was IG, no matter how much I respect his opinions on youth, that implied that some people don't want KWP to break through and that's what I took exception to. I've never taken exception to someone just sharing their view but that was just divisive bullshit.

I'm not here to defend poch and I've already said that I'd like more intergration. All I've really said is I don't like the hyperbole that surrounds everything. I'm not going to accept that apparently I don't want KWP to get chances just because I'm not hyper critical, I don't think KWP is "two years behind where he should be" whatever that means and I don't think poch has anti-academy bias. I just think as a young manager he's going through a moment where his philosophy is having to be balanced against being successful and he's not getting the balance right atm, and hopefully along with players such as onomah and Edwards stepping up, as I don't it's fair to wholly blame poch for their situations, he can get it sorted and a bit more balanced.

See I think youre interpretation is more of a contributing factor to the toxity of this thread, then IG making a poorly executed joke. I think you are being overtly sensisitive to an anti poch sentiment that isnt actually here.

I also think you are spot on about there needing to be a better balance Poch's philosophy. I also think that if any academy player that has the natural talent and doesnt end up "making it" at spurs, than often times their is a combination of multiple reasons for the failure. It's never just because of the manager, or simply because the player isnt training hard enough or grasping tactics well enough.

People in this thread just get frustrated by causal posters that come in here and straight up bash an academy player if they arent progressing or performing as well as there were expected to. And as the youth I think it is reasonable to expect a tad bit of bias towards the young lads.

 

[Lemon]

I'd be amazed if Marques is taller than 5'8". 6'1 my arse!

Everyone (virtually) looks short to you though!

 

[Spurzinho]

Indeed

As in “they” told him not to sign Louis Saurez

That wasn't a they, that was a Timothy Sherwood.

 

[Spurzinho]

Everyone (virtually) looks short to you though!

True, true.

 

[coys200]

KWP playing at left back is good for him in the long run because it means he's an option for minutes on both sides of the defence

True to have a full back competent at RB/LB would be a very valuable squad member.i wonder if rose left we’d trust him as back up.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

That wasn't a they, that was a Timothy Sherwood.

It started as a "they" later to be revealed as Del Boy Sherwood and Rodders Ferdinand.

 

[mancman]

I have always had a soft spot for Kyle Walker-Peters when the first time I say him play (I was on the touchline watching Blackburn Rovers U18 playing Spurs, at Blackburn's academy ground). He was playing right back then, against a very physical and big Blackburn team, he looked quite frail and small but his technical ability and courage shone through. What made me laugh was Kyle talking to himself as goalkeeper Luke McGee loudly shouted out instructions incessantly. I heard Kyle mutter to himself 'he is doing my head in, does he never shut up' . It was quite funny really because Luke was clearly no shrinking violet and he was getting on my nerves to! I'm all for a dominant and vocal 'keeper but there are limits! Since then I have followed his career closely and I genuinely believe he will play for England at full international level. I see him replacing Danny Rose before next season as one of our four wing backs.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

So not mid game then. D+ all round.

Ah, I get ya. I can’t remember if he was referring to a mid game change or a pre game change, just remember his bollocks excuse for the change.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Ah, I get ya. I can’t remember if he was referring to a mid game change or a pre game change, just remember his bollocks excuse for the change.

I have a feeling it was after the Norwich game at home when we lost 2-1, we played 44fucking2 with Bale on the left wing after weeks of him playing as one of the 3 in the auxillary striker type role. Then obviously Redknapp shifted the blame after we arsed it up as was his MO.

 

[IGSpur]

then IG making a poorly executed joke.

Watch it mate.

But yes as you say it was a tongue in cheek comment, the same that get posted in other threads, that take 'shots' at the views some may read in this thread that get winner and funny ratings. I don't bite or comment, I just ignore them.

Also who said KWP shouldn't get a chance ffs, just ridiculous, everyone in this thread wants the same thing and you know it so trying to mischaracterise people as youth haters is a pretty shitty move.

I don't doubt anyone's intentions, anyone who enters this thread or any spurs fan even wants as many youth players in the first team as possible. In fact it was IG, no matter how much I respect his opinions on youth, that implied that some people don't want KWP to break through and that's what I took exception to. I've never taken exception to someone just sharing their view but that was just divisive bullshit.

I'm not here to defend poch and I've already said that I'd like more intergration. All I've really said is I don't like the hyperbole that surrounds everything. I'm not going to accept that apparently I don't want KWP to get chances just because I'm not hyper critical, I don't think KWP is "two years behind where he should be" whatever that means and I don't think poch has anti-academy bias. I just think as a young manager he's going through a moment where his philosophy is having to be balanced against being successful and he's not getting the balance right atm, and hopefully along with players such as onomah and Edwards stepping up, as I don't it's fair to wholly blame poch for their situations, he can get it sorted and a bit more balanced.

I don't believe that no one wants KWP to breakthrough, but people accept or won't/don't care if he does or does not come through. I've spent the last 4 years or more,arguing that I believe players who are good enough to play for the first team are not getting a chance. And the understandable argument that comes back from most fans 95% of fans including yourself is, that if Poch is not playing them they must not be good enough. If you do not believe they are good enough for our first team why would you care care if they came through. Much in the same way I don't mind if Tracey, Georgiou, Amos, Lesniak etc get chances as I ultimately don't believe that we are missing out on players that will improve our first team now now or in the future. Like you and KWP, if they come through then great, but if they don't it's no grave loss to me.

Unless I've completely got the wrong end of the stick, it's not me saying you don't belienve he should be getting a chance, it's you agreeing with Poch's decision that they shouldn't be given chances, so I conclude you must also not want them to be given a chance, otherwise you'd be disagreeing with him no? I don't understand why implying that people don't care or accept KWP not coming through or getting a chance is an issue, if Poch does not play him, surely you will not care as the conclusion is he is not good enough. You are accepting of the decision. I don't know how what I have said is offensive, though I of course said it an cheeky way.

I of course disagree with the decision. Do you disagree with Poch over his use of KWP? If KWP leaves next year would you think a wrong decision has been made? and if so what has KWP done, that has made you disagree with the managers decision that other academy players haven't done?

I get that a lot of you are frustrated about youth integration this season. Makes sense and I have no reasonable counter, but the number of people on here who can't just be happy for KWP.... yeesh take a night off. Get a drink... have a wank... whatever, just chill and be happy for him. Those complaints will still be there tomorrow for you to be angry about.

If we make a comment when we lose, it's seen as kneejerk, if I make a comment when we win, it's how can you comment when we've won 6-1. I accept there's no right time.

Either way I was ecstatic he scored and I am so pleased for him, just a shame I could barely see what was going on with the snow, but you could tell from his face he was ecstatic, and he has always come across as such a lovely guy. I'm buzzing for him, I would just like to think that it could lead to something more for him.