Couldn’t this also mean that he’s moving to the senior squad next year? They have a different changing room to the youth teams.
Or like everybody else moving from Wembley to NWHL.
Couldn’t this also mean that he’s moving to the senior squad next year? They have a different changing room to the youth teams.
I don't think players leaving IS the only news, but I also think it's a sign of our success that we are now producing lots of good players who are good enough to make it in football - even if not at Spurs. I actually think them going abroad to Holland or Germany is a good step and a more likely route to a long and successful playing career.When the only youth news availabel is our players leaving what else are we meant to discuss?
I've posted players that have signed for next year, but academy players realising it's not worth their time staying here and believing they won't get a chance is quite big news no? I actually stopped posting anything about this and tried to just inform on results, to avoid constantly going on about it, as the same boring arguments come up. But when this is the youth news it's worth a discussion.
Also it's not completely negative a lot of people have been praising their determination and bravery for leaving, rather than moaning at them.
I don't think players leaving IS the only news, but I also think it's a sign of our success that we are now producing lots of good players who are good enough to make it in football - even if not at Spurs. I actually think them going abroad to Holland or Germany is a good step and a more likely route to a long and successful playing career.
As I'm not a close personal friend of Levy I don't know this for a fact but I suspect the aim of the Academy is to make enough money to pay for itself (and preferably more than that) and occasionally bring through a player good enough to play for a Top 6 team in one of the toughest leagues in the world - which is what we have seen in Winks and will hopefully now see in KWP.
I also think we fans underestimate how good some of our squad players are - even the dreaded Sissoko and that for a young lad to replace them is a really tough ask - hence why so few of them go on to make it at the very highest level - the level we now play at.
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Understand the fee agreed for the permanent transfer of Keanan Bennetts is £2million.
Not 100% sure the guy is legit but he/she doesn't seem to be a WUM - either way this is surely a sign of success for our Academy, even if he doesn't become a Spurs player?
I admire the passion of posters like yourself and if it wasn't for you and some of the other youth watchers then I don't think this thread would be half as enjoyable as it is, so I hope you don't take my comments as a personal attack - they aren't meant that way at all. I just feel that the constant negativity that has taken over the thread is somewhat overdone.
I don't think players leaving IS the only news, but I also think it's a sign of our success that we are now producing lots of good players who are good enough to make it in football - even if not at Spurs. I actually think them going abroad to Holland or Germany is a good step and a more likely route to a long and successful playing career.
Not 100% sure the guy is legit but he/she doesn't seem to be a WUM - either way this is surely a sign of success for our Academy, even if he doesn't become a Spurs player?
I think you make some good points but £2m for Bennetts is cheap, like £250k for Veljkovic was cheap at the time, £500k was cheap for Azzaoui, etc. I totally agree that selling players on for profit is a large part of the Academy -- and rightly so, we can't just hold on to players indefinitely -- but it does not feel like there's a clear strategy right now. A little exposure for Bennetts would have kept him at the club and a couple of appearances would have seen his value rise significantly IMO.
I am all for selling Walkes to Portsmouth for a decent fee, selling Maghoma to Twente, selling Harrison/Loft/Ogilvie/etc - they're the ones to sell, not players in the top 10% of our prospects. But it's not just that - it's the fact that they're actively looking to leave.
I totally see what you're saying and how some of the views in this thread - my own included - can be perceived as negative, but it's only because, like you, we want what's best for the club, and this seems wasteful.
I don't think saying players going abroad or for that matter leaving to get game time is necessarily a negative - it's more around the frequent doom and gloom comments that go with it "what's the point? Nobody will want to come to our academy as we never give anyone a reason to" type of stuff.but is this not exactly what all of the "negative" posters have been criticised for saying?
It's the constant narrative that's peddled, like you've done here...that the evil club is holding these world beating youngsters back, when it's much, much more likely that some of these players, who have been overhyped by a lot of posters on here, just aren't good enough.
There's two sides to every coin mate, and I can agree with @muppetman in that the negativity is getting really old.
It's the constant narrative that's peddled, like you've done here...that the evil club is holding these world beating youngsters back, when it's much, much more likely that some of these players, who have been overhyped by a lot of posters on here, just aren't good enough.
There's two sides to every coin mate, and I can agree with @muppetman in that the negativity is getting really old.
Perhaps let's have a general vote here: whether Poch should concentrate on getting us the best results or on playing juniors.
And yes actually I do believe that those youth players should be asked to show they are better than other more senior players. KWP is showing potentially that he is better than Trippier and Aurier and I would put him in the first team.
We're letting players we don't deem good enough leave instead of wasting money and resources on them, I never said it was positive but I don't see how it's a negative, it makes sense and as others have pointed out, how many have we got wrong?I see positives end negatives of it. I don't really know where you stand except being unhappy at people voicing an opinion. If people think it's a negative thing then the club have brought in on themselves.
If you see the positives for the club I'd be interested to know why
I respectfully disagree.
It is setting a high bar but it gaurantees that you are getting the best out if those players that you have. You make it sound like hundreds of players are making their way to Pochs doorstep but that is simply not the case. If we can develop one player a season that would be more than most clubs do and the best way to do it is to say we are putting the best players into the first team regardless of age. The players who show the right mental application and ability.
And yes actually I do believe that those youth players should be asked to show they are better than other more senior players. KWP is showing potentially that he is better than Trippier and Aurier and I would put him in the first team. Winks, when fit, showed he's a better option than carrol and Mason and thats why they were sold and Winks promoted.
I respect your opinion but I'm of the belief that if you tell the youth players "this is the bar" you won't run off crying, every single youth player will try and challenge and that is good for us and good for them.
Perhaps let's have a general vote here: whether Poch should concentrate on getting us the best results or on playing juniors.
We're letting players we don't deem good enough leave instead of wasting money and resources on them, I never said it was positive but I don't see how it's a negative, it makes sense and as others have pointed out, how many have we got wrong?
It's not the end of the world.
You seem to misunderstand the opposition point of view. I’m not one of those who criticises the way Pochettino goes about things - in fact I think we’ll see KWP have a Winks 16-17 esque breakthrough next season after training with the team all this year. However you clearly don’t understand the point these people are making. No-one, absolutely no-one, is saying we should choose developing young players over results. People are saying they believe giving these young players a chance is our best route to success.Perhaps let's have a general vote here: whether Poch should concentrate on getting us the best results or on playing juniors.
I haven't slated anyone, I'm just not subscribing to the 'lack of opportunities' narrative that seems to be all the rage in here, when it's much more likely that the youngsters who've been allowed to leave are just not good enough...why is that so hard for some people in here to accept.What truly confuses me is if you trust the likes of IGSpur/ BG/ Windy/ Spurzinho etc with updating this thread with information about our current youth players, where they stack up, how they're performing and if they'll have a future with us - Why then would you slate them for being disappointed and voicing their opinions about said youth players leaving or not getting opportunities?
to me the most annoying thing is that people are raved about us missing on o.dembele, mbappe but refuse to believe that we can probably produce our own od and kmI generally enjoy this thread - it's one of my favourites on the whole board but the ongoing negativity from some posters around the kids getting chances is starting to get really old. I know you're upset and I know that Poch's reputation is perhaps no longer (if ever) deserved, you've made your point - again and again and again.
I admire your passion and I totally understand that some feel that if certain players were just given opportunities in their proper position then perhaps they could shine and save the club money on unnecessary squad fillers. I agree with you and think that KWP and Onomah in particular should have received more minutes.
However, Poch's primary function is to win football games, not bring through youth players - we are already going up against the oil baron's with our significantly smaller funds so I can understand why he is more risk averse than in previous jobs. Whilst I totally understand why people are frustrated, we keep overachieving with what we have and the need to do all of that AND bring through the youngsters seems a little greedy to me.
I think that other leagues have a greater disparity between the top teams and the bottom and so it is easier to blood some of the younger talent as the mistakes they make aren't so costly, but our recent games against Brighton and WBA (who got relegated) show that it is much more difficult to take chances of any sort here. Also we'd previously have used the FA and League cups but they've hardly been a stress free stroll either of late.
Sorry, not trying to upset anyone but the thread is being overshadowed (for me) by the constant complaining and whilst everyone else is having their vent I thought I'd have a go too!