Lilbaz
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Which he will not be legally required to honour once he hits 18.
The Spurs Youth Thread - 2017/2018
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Which he will not be legally required to honour once he hits 18.
IGSpur
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Don't know about the legal aspects, but agree with you Lilbaz in that it makes sense to go to City for a year or 2 and take advantage of their coaching, but also I see what Spurzinho and S9 are saying, that I can't imagine City would oay a mil without some sort of guarantee, not that I know what they will be, but I'm sure they will have lawyers looking for loopholes of some sort.
Though I also understand the benefits of City's coaching, I still think with his talent if he went abroad he would still have the advantage of getting first team chances if he was good enough by the time he turned 17. With his size, I think Ipswich would struggle to give him any chances for a little while.
Here's a very positive article on Madueke, they are very excited by him http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/2...s+de+kippen+bij+met+een+contract+[VIDEO].aspx
Also makes the point about how finally, they may be able to keep their best players from England and in fact appear to be reversing the trend. This will only be good for Netherlands and England
Though I also understand the benefits of City's coaching, I still think with his talent if he went abroad he would still have the advantage of getting first team chances if he was good enough by the time he turned 17. With his size, I think Ipswich would struggle to give him any chances for a little while.
Here's a very positive article on Madueke, they are very excited by him http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/?news/2...s+de+kippen+bij+met+een+contract+[VIDEO].aspx
Also makes the point about how finally, they may be able to keep their best players from England and in fact appear to be reversing the trend. This will only be good for Netherlands and England
Matecheck
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Agree in general but if quality development and first team chances were what he was looking for, he would have been better served staying put.
Spurzinho
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Ipswich don't have the coaching and facilities that Cat 1 clubs do. All they can offer is opportunity. If he wanted absolute first class facilities, coaching combined with opportunities then a move abroad was imperative. The Netherlands, Belgium or Germany would have been ideal. You don't go to City for opportunity. If, as some have claimed, he's only going to be there two years how much difference are the world class City facilities and coaching going to make? Not enough in just two years. Will he learn more in two years at City were he'll be up against it to get into the U23 side at all, or in two years with a side on the continent who would no doubt fast track him and have him training in first class facilities, with top coaches, top players, more one to one time and opportunities to play senior football? I just find it perplexing.
scat1620
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I don't see anything of the youth team to have an opinion myself, but how do the people who know their shit feel about that pro deal for Tracey? I always get the vibe on here that he's not very highly rated, so surprised to see him offered pro terms.
Sell on value can be only reason. Basically sissoko of youth set up.
spurs9
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I'm very surprised, he won't make it here or the PL IMO. He is the youth team version of Sissoko. IMO, he should have been let go to a lower league team, it will be his best chance of making it. Shashoa should have his spot in the U23s.
Edit: I wonder if he is staying on because Bennett's and possibly Edwards are leaving.
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That would be depressing...
why - spurs fan, getting paid to play with us and still doesn't rule out lower level career down the line
Blake Griffin
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shame, but understandable.
IGSpur
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Intersting to know what lilywhite means, as I've seen pictures of most of them signing contracts already.
We had all guessed or thought that we would go after Knight especially after he went away with us. I'd be interested to know what we offered as heard City offered life changing money. Shame we didn't get him, but bigger shame that he didn't go abroad, but hard to refuse setting your family up for life
Hercules
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I said it so many times. Like it or not, we have to start matching what a lot of main clubs are starting to do financially. The world is changing, and our Victorian attitude towards youngsters, especially the very top ones. We are finding it harder to be in the same race. And facilities, plus Poch’s special touch will not chsnge that-unfortunately.
Do we want money hungry kids. Call me naive but I’d rather have kids that were with us because they appreciate the “project”.
Matecheck
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Can't agree with that. Unless our aim is to win some FA youth cups. If we want to produce first team players, then we need to start giving youngsters meaningful playing time.
They're (slowly) wising up to it. Getting on the pitch is the (main) reason behind moves like Jason Sancho's, Bobby Duncan's, Noni Madeuke's. For England's sake I hope it clicks for more and more of them.
But I think Poch is getting a reputation for not being one of those give-youth-teamers-a-chance managers.
hellava_tough
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It's a difficult one
I'm guessing that in terms of ability and skill on the training ground, many youngsters can rival (or almost rival) their first XI squad-mates
But this changes when you put them in the pressure-cooker than is the high-profile, very public, Premier League match day
They're suddenly expected to perform to the same standard as seasoned pros, in front of millions of people, for clubs that are aiming to win leagues, qualify for European competitions and make hundreds of millions of pounds all of which is riding on a player's performance
I suspect this is the reason many teams will sign 'safe' middle of the road players, to pad-out their squad; players who have match-day experience, even if their natural ability isn't quite as high as a brilliant youth-team 17 year old
Basically, they won't choke, come match-day
So Poch and every other coach assesses two aspects of a young player's game; their ability and their mental strength
Finally, it's so difficult to break into the Spurs squad these days, which is great for fans because the quality of the players has increased in the last 5 years, but it's not so good for academy players
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Plenty of experienced players choke on match day too
IGSpur
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Our top talents namely JO and ME are still here as they have refused big money from 'bigger clubs' as they believed in 'the project' and it doesn't seem to have panned out very well for them. Both talents lavished with praise from manager at 17.
They trusted, it didn't end up well, blame will be placed squarely at their door. As there can be no the reason than the player must have some sort of mental problem if he isn't making it here. Looking back was it worth it? I would probably regret not going for the big money. Though both really should have gone abroad.
You don't want money hungry kids? Well if they don't see any chance of progress you get no kids or extremely naive kids. There must be some incentive other than being near Poch
