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The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

coys200

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We really need to muster up some decent attacking potential. Apart from Parrott there’s very little on the horizon. How does it work exactly with a kid like this who’s 16 at Watford. He’s not on a pro contract yet ? Can he basically just turn round and say I’m off to Spurs guys. I know there’s some sort of compensation but how difficult would it actually be to get him.
 

Locotoro

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There was a sky sports debate interview,I think with either john Terry or Patrick Kluivert talking about youth football. It was a very interesting perspective in saying (I paraphrase)
"Youth players need to show they are better than first team players, not just equal to, if they want to get chances and they need to do it consistently in training and in loans and when they get 5 mins at the end of a dead rubber game, many academy players think they deserve a chance just by chugging along and doing what they should be doing but in the top teams you need to show an extra level to knock the first team player out of the team. You need to make it so everyone knows who you are and what you're capable of. Youth Players these days are given too much praise and they believe it before they've even done anything."

Specific reference was made to RLC at Chelsea which is why I suspect it was Terry but it was interesting hearing that from a player that came through their academy.
 

edson

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HT lucky to be 3-0 down should be more.

Tracey has been bossed by the three massive lads at the back and the only chance he did have he headered over from a Bennett Cross from the left.

We have not played well but Eyoma has done well so far, but it will be a up hill battle for the second half for sure.
 

ButchCassidy

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"Youth players need to show they are better than first team players, not just equal to, if they want to get chances"

And this is exactly why most top England teams are crap at turning out international-level talent from their academies when compared to the Ajax's, Lyon's, mid-level German and French teams. Those teams have to budget, they have to lose players against their will all the time, and they can't drop 30-40m on every place in the squad just because. So when a youngster looks as good as, or nearly as good as, a senior player, the club immediately gives them opportunities, because shifting any senior player allows investment in extra strength elsewhere in the squad. But at Chelsea, that 30m is an afterthought. Worse, a youth player starting ahead of a senior player makes management look bad, like the players he starts in front of were just a waste of money. Playing youth who are any less than exceptional isn't seen as ambitious, it's seen as lack of depth. So chances get thinner and thinner, and the loan system abused more and more, and youth team wages rise and rise as its the only way to recruit them to be permanent youth-team players.
 

Locotoro

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And this is exactly why most top England teams are crap at turning out international-level talent from their academies when compared to the Ajax's, Lyon's, mid-level German and French teams. Those teams have to budget, they have to lose players against their will all the time, and they can't drop 30-40m on every place in the squad just because. So when a youngster looks as good as, or nearly as good as, a senior player, the club immediately gives them opportunities, because shifting any senior player allows investment in extra strength elsewhere in the squad. But at Chelsea, that 30m is an afterthought. Worse, a youth player starting ahead of a senior player makes management look bad, like the players he starts in front of were just a waste of money. Playing youth who are any less than exceptional isn't seen as ambitious, it's seen as lack of depth. So chances get thinner and thinner, and the loan system abused more and more, and youth team wages rise and rise as its the only way to recruit them to be permanent youth-team players.

I agree in part.

It's a problem in England for the reasons you raise but then you look at big clubs abroad that also have the ability to burn 30million on a bench warmer like Real or Barca, Bayern. They are producing youth players at exceptional rates so much so that the league is flooded with former graduates. But in those countries the youth players are paid far less, even at Real. And are treated much more like youth players rather than potential superstars in the making. The mentality of the youth players is much more "I need to work my nuts off to even be visible". I've never heard of a youth player leave Real or Barca because he thought he was good enough for the first team and not getting chances. Obviously we're talking possibly the two top teams in the world but the difference in mentality is still relevant.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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Not his time yet as good as he might be he is not ready for the big boys yet.

Roles should be with the big boys and I do hope he is not playing u23 football next year.

I meant do you think he's missing this u23 game due to his involvement in and around the first team squad recently etc.

I'm surprised to see him not making the line up for this one. Unless he's been getting more games at u18 level I thought he'd be a cert to start tonight
 

ButchCassidy

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Anyone seen much of Cirkin? Seems like he's made some big steps this year as a 16 year old, U17 England debut and playing with the U19s in Europe and U23s a bit. Is he another possible fast-track to the first team? Or are we maybe just weak at that position at older age groups. How does he compare to KWP at a similar age?
 

edson

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Anyone seen much of Cirkin? Seems like he's made some big steps this year as a 16 year old, U17 England debut and playing with the U19s in Europe and U23s a bit. Is he another possible fast-track to the first team? Or are we maybe just weak at that position at older age groups. How does he compare to KWP at a similar age?
Have a look back a few pages we have talked about him before,he has played well in the second half of this game and had a good shot at goal.

arsenal have a nother pen... Missed
 

Blake Griffin

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Anyone seen much of Cirkin? Seems like he's made some big steps this year as a 16 year old, U17 England debut and playing with the U19s in Europe and U23s a bit. Is he another possible fast-track to the first team? Or are we maybe just weak at that position at older age groups. How does he compare to KWP at a similar age?

we have no other natural left backs with brown gone and reynolds injured again so whilst cirkin is doing well it's mostly down to a lack of options. he's bigger and perhaps more rounded than kwp was at that age but kwp was rampant going forward from right back, hopefully he'll show that kind of play in the first team one day.
 

Blake Griffin

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I meant do you think he's missing this u23 game due to his involvement in and around the first team squad recently etc.

I'm surprised to see him not making the line up for this one. Unless he's been getting more games at u18 level I thought he'd be a cert to start tonight

i don't think parrott is regularly with the first team yet so it won't be because he's having a break like the senior players, he's probably just picked up an injury or missing this one with the uyl game on tuesday.
 

coys200

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Didn’t realise that was Armando shashoua debut for U23 tonight. Thought he’d already featured.
 

Westmorlandspur

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Nketiah and Willock up front are a class above what we had tonight. Both played a few europa league games this season.
ShilowTracy??? I think sometimes we just keep players so we can fulfil fixtures .
 

ButchCassidy

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Nketiah and Willock up front are a class above what we had tonight. Both played a few europa league games this season.
ShilowTracy??? I think sometimes we just keep players so we can fulfil fixtures .
I mean, we have a U23 Player of the Month striker that we just sent out on loan to get senior football...
 

guru

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Tonight’s U23s performance was a poor performance mainly to the fact that Arsenal had so much more expierienced players in their team , from players who have played first team football and lads who were older . spurs ranged from 17 to 20 years old . Just a quick run through of our players . Austin was not at his best at all . Nearly cost us a goal with I think his first kick , again the indecisiveness . Think he made 1 save tonight . Eyoma , Tanganga were completely not upto scratch , no real prescence in defence . Cirkin was awful in first half but improved slightly in second but you need to remember he is very young . Hinds I thought did well but again not upto scratch . Marsh was terrible , continuously playing back and putting us under pressure . You could hear Wayne Burnett constantly telling him to play forward . I would go as far as saying 2 possibly 3 goals were down to him . Oakley booth I really don’t know what he’s doing , don’t think I even noticed him on the pitch second half . I think he was playing centre mid think he kept changing with maghoma , who was equally as bad . As many times as maghoma got the ball and did something good , within seconds he would do something bad and loose it . His decision making was poor and shooting was diabolical. Bennett played on the wing , tries hard but another one who doesn’t get his head up and makes the wrong decisions , again he is still young . Roles tried hard to make things happen , but nothing came off for him tonight , tonight proved to me he needs to be playing with better players around him as some of the lads really are not on his Wave length. Tracey played striker , he was not good at all , he couldn’t hold the ball up , which then made it difficult for the other attacking players , eg the likes Roles to do what they needed to do . I truly can’t understand how he is still there. But we did have a young team out and we need to learn from this and move on
 
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