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coys200

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Marsh is only a year younger than Onomah. Poch kept Onomah around the first team for almost 2.5 years and played him over 30 times when he was 17-20.

It's weird how people Poch trusting Onomah is swept under the carpet and he's pigeonholed as a no hoper with a terrible attitude.

Not really sure that’s the case. Personally I was still optimistic about Onomah still start of last season especially after the WC. But the simple facts are he just hasn’t kicked on. There’s only so much time you can give someone. It still wouldn’t surprise me at all if he came good at some point the talent is clearly there. I know I get scoffed at for these quotes, but maybe he could be converted to another position. It just seems a real waste as he has all the physical attributes. My biggest issue with him is that he lets the game pass him by. Maybe CB could be an option he has the size and could wait for the game to come to him. Honestly don’t know but it seems a real waste.
 

C0YS

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what % do you see with senior players? i don't really see much of a difference, you watch the players on the pitch and form an opinion based off that. senior players have more exposure so you get a better feel for their character but otherwise it's largely the same? also i think this idea about the most talented ones rarely making it is a bit of a misnomer, i can assure you that the more talented ones make it at a much higher rate than those less talented, it's only because you hear about more about the former that it becomes easier to cite examples of a player not reaching their potential. maybe i haven't been following youth football long enough yet but i can't think of many bang average youth players making much of a mark on the senior game.
You can't compare the two, senior football is the final production, its where everything leads up to. Youth football is just another process of player development.

Well yes more talented players make it than not so talented players. But well rounded players who are good at fundementals are more likely to make it than those with talent alone. Not in the PL but in the game itself.

The problem is we cannot treat youth footballers as adult players, and we cannot think about them or judge them in the same way. Partly because its not so much about what they show in games but what they could show in a different level. Partly, because youth football is, well, slow, more individualistic and well simply incomparable to top level football. Its like judging someone's saxophone skills by how they play the trumpet, it is related but its not the same.

The reality is training with the first team is most certainty more intense than youth football. A d how you do in that compared to senior players is a much better way to judge if you can contribute to the first team.

To summarise with PL players we see real football games that matter. This only performance that has any significance at all. Youth football is just watching a mildly competitive training exersize between two teams.
 

therhinospeaks

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Also some of the crazy, seemingly personal hate, driven towards Marsh makes me feel sick. I'm not normally one to really have favorite players, or for that matter least favorite ones. But I've never wanted a player to succeed more than Marsh because of the reaction against him. He is my current favorite player, and I've only watched him play a pretty decent 20 mins against Tranmere!

There's no personal hate, he's just shit. A move to more his level would be fairer on him and give him a pathway.
 

beats1

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what % do you see with senior players? i don't really see much of a difference, you watch the players on the pitch and form an opinion based off that. senior players have more exposure so you get a better feel for their character but otherwise it's largely the same? also i think this idea about the most talented ones rarely making it is a bit of a misnomer, i can assure you that the more talented ones make it at a much higher rate than those less talented, it's only because you hear about more about the former that it becomes easier to cite examples of a player not reaching their potential. maybe i haven't been following youth football long enough yet but i can't think of many bang average youth players making much of a mark on the senior game.
We spend millions on players based on the same percentage of seeing players.

Back in the day players were asked to train with the team before they sign but since those days, the idea that people who see youth players play and can't make a good judgement. Then why risk spending millions on players we only see 5%
Always follow your youth appraisals
you speak with knowledge.
BUT
very disappointed with the tone of this.
Very dismissive ( that word again)
and insulting to the players and Mauricio.)

Another way of putting this
is that he gives each player he selects
every opportunity to prove themselves
until is clear they are not going
to make the grade and then
in fairness to them and the squad
he regretfully lets them go
and moves on to the next scholar of promise.

Clearly not every Academy product
is going to make the squad
well not until squads are 2/3 hundred strong
and teams expanded to 50 a side.

It's not just the fact that they are young,
as you know players develop differently
It's giving them the time, space and coaching
to show what they can do.

And importantly to me and their Mums
not writing them off prematurely.

I'm sure Mauricio hasn't time to waste
and the fact that he sticks with
KWP, Skipp and Marsh for example
must show they have something to contribute
other than keeping old softies like me happy.
This is why people don't contribute here on this thread as much. No matter what Poch does he is always right. Poch has done a great job with the first team, however as a manager in relation to youth he has done a poor job, though its sacrileges to suggest that.

Mourinho is a great manager who has elevated young players to play at a high level yet he isn't a good manager in relation to youth.

People on here get criticised for expecting every youth player to make. Then they get criticised for suggesting that a player isn't good enough to make it. No matter what objective criticism isn't allowed unless it goes with whatever posh wants.

The silliest thing in your post, is that its contradicts poch's record as manager. Even criticism of the academy is met with what do you know yet, we aren't producing footballers full stop.

Right now, if you go tottenham, you're going to make it at tottenham even if you do well like KWP. You also not going to have a good education in terms of being prepared for the football league. Chelsea whilst you have no hope of making it with the first team, its better destination because you will become an established football league player.
 

beats1

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Also some of the crazy, seemingly personal hate, driven towards Marsh makes me feel sick. I'm not normally one to really have favorite players, or for that matter least favorite ones. But I've never wanted a player to succeed more than Marsh because of the reaction against him. He is my current favorite player, and I've only watched him play a pretty decent 20 mins against Tranmere!
Marsh is a decent player, he has potential but funny how for years Onomah got criticised again and again for being "shit" despite being played out of position but criticism of a player who has 25 mins in his career at age 20 is "personal hate". At what point has it gone personal. People are saying he is a limited player, who has exactly kicked on after initial promise.
 

mark87

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Marsh is a decent player, he has potential but funny how for years Onomah got criticised again and again for being "shit" despite being played out of position but criticism of a player who has 25 mins in his career at age 20 is "personal hate". At what point has it gone personal. People are saying he is a limited player, who has exactly kicked on after initial promise.

Someone I work with said the same thing a few years back, he said he actually hated onomah, he'd never seen him play at youth level and therefore his basis was the few sub appearances he made for us when he was played out of position. Couldn't believe what I was hearing.
 

Hakkz

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We spend millions on players based on the same percentage of seeing players.

Back in the day players were asked to train with the team before they sign but since those days, the idea that people who see youth players play and can't make a good judgement. Then why risk spending millions on players we only see 5%

This is why people don't contribute here on this thread as much. No matter what Poch does he is always right. Poch has done a great job with the first team, however as a manager in relation to youth he has done a poor job, though its sacrileges to suggest that.

Mourinho is a great manager who has elevated young players to play at a high level yet he isn't a good manager in relation to youth.

People on here get criticised for expecting every youth player to make. Then they get criticised for suggesting that a player isn't good enough to make it. No matter what objective criticism isn't allowed unless it goes with whatever posh wants.

The silliest thing in your post, is that its contradicts poch's record as manager. Even criticism of the academy is met with what do you know yet, we aren't producing footballers full stop.

Right now, if you go tottenham, you're going to make it at tottenham even if you do well like KWP. You also not going to have a good education in terms of being prepared for the football league. Chelsea whilst you have no hope of making it with the first team, its better destination because you will become an established football league player.

I think that's fair and maybe it should be changed to "Poch is great when developing young players".
 

mancman

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It is pathetic to see so many football 'experts' giving their view on George Marsh. Pochettino is no idiot, he sees him everyday in training, and if he thinks he his worth persevering with that's good enough for me. I want every Spurs youngster to succeed (though that's impossible) but the bile some so called fans have dished out is absolutely appalling. I hope to god he does not read this thread (or his parents). You can have opinions but be careful what you say, you could have been a Sissoko hater and look what happened to him.
 

HildoSpur

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Interested to know more about Parrott - just how good is he for those who have seen him? Am I right in thinking he is a striker?
 

C0YS

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Marsh is a decent player, he has potential but funny how for years Onomah got criticised again and again for being "shit" despite being played out of position but criticism of a player who has 25 mins in his career at age 20 is "personal hate". At what point has it gone personal. People are saying he is a limited player, who has exactly kicked on after initial promise.
not talking about criticism mate. One poster in particular has made comments that go well beyond criticism.. 99% of people who have issues with Marsh are not being vile about it. I think some are being unfair but that's something that can be debated. Some comments however go well beyond that.
 

therhinospeaks

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It is pathetic to see so many football 'experts' giving their view on George Marsh. Pochettino is no idiot, he sees him everyday in training, and if he thinks he his worth persevering with that's good enough for me. I want every Spurs youngster to succeed (though that's impossible) but the bile some so called fans have dished out is absolutely appalling. I hope to god he does not read this thread (or his parents). You can have opinions but be careful what you say, you could have been a Sissoko hater and look what happened to him.

Not seen any 'bile' on this thread. And let's get it right Poch has been a blocker to our youth.
 

coys200

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Interested to know more about Parrott - just how good is he for those who have seen him? Am I right in thinking he is a striker?

Parrott has a lot of potential. He’s really got a little bit of everything for a modern day No 9. He’s got the rugged quality but also got the finesse of a No 10 as well. Although he looks nothing like Kane I’d say their qualities are very similar.
 

therhinospeaks

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Didn't mean to cause any offence, was only a joke, just wondered why you seem to hate him with such venom? Calling a youth player "shit" is pretty harsh.

Let's get it straight I do not hate George Marsh. I hate the fact we've extended his contract cos he's shit and it's a complete waste of his time, the club's time and the club's money.
 

ralphs bald spot

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I think the blocker of youth bit on Poch is perhaps a bit unfair - the opportunities largely haven't arisen and you have to say that the root cause of that is because the first team has improved hugely under his management though I have to say I would have preferred a youngster on the bench at times rather than persevering with Janssen

I haven't seen much of the current crop of youth players but I feel that I can comment on the side of a about 3 years back I was living just around the corner from the training ground and saw nearly all the home games of that crop and ca few away.

A cautionary tale for youth watchers is that the side I watched I felt was really good and I felt that several would make the first team where in fact only Winks and KWP survive whilst Onomah who was outstanding in that side may be moved and CCV has question marks as well. The others have largely disappeared though Georgiou remains just about. I think the lesson is that its not just talent its about application determination and a bit of luck I would have had Oduwa down as a sure fire first team player of the future he had so much to offer but maybe not the application which Mcdermott wanted so badly of him.

So few young players make it at the top level and yes we all know that, but when you are watching them every week you do get an attachment and believe hope that this crop will find there way through but its not just the games on the Saturday mornings that count unfortunately there is so much to it and the expectations of them are so high

I know one example one of the kids was called up for first team training after some impressive performances - he turned up without his pads and Poch sent him back to the youth team as no one was going to wait for him . For Poch and the other coaches its about building discipline and trust the kids have to build that and everything they do is under scrutiny. Mcdermott doesn't give much away but another youngster high fived a friend coming out on to the pitch on a Saturday morning - Mcdermott was livid 'game face' the boy is no longer at the club
 

beats1

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It is pathetic to see so many football 'experts' giving their view on George Marsh. Pochettino is no idiot, he sees him everyday in training, and if he thinks he his worth persevering with that's good enough for me. I want every Spurs youngster to succeed (though that's impossible) but the bile some so called fans have dished out is absolutely appalling. I hope to god he does not read this thread (or his parents). You can have opinions but be careful what you say, you could have been a Sissoko hater and look what happened to him.
Haha Experts

But i do protest at the fact that you have issue at this player hoping that he doesn't read the forum whilst players like Rose(before he was a first team player), Onomah, Bentaleb, even Kane and etc. had some sickening abuse by our fans

One person calling Marsh shit, and oh my god it's vile.
 

Spurzinho

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