The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[Hakkz]

Mason Greenwood has a a lot of hype at United. Rated higher than Rashford by many observers.

He does seem to have more to his game than Rashford.

 

[coys200]

Oh yeah forgot Greenwood. But he seems more one of those winger/strikers where as parrott seems like a pure No 9.

 

[danielneeds]

Little snippet from the Mirror’s transfer rumour page:

Spurs face battle to keep youngster
Spurs face a battle to keep highly-rated starlet Tashan Oakley-Boothe.
The midfielder, 19, was included on the Tuttosport ‘Golden Boy’ award shortlist which names the best players aged 21 or younger registered with a top-tier European club.
Previous holders include Matthijs de Ligt, Kylian Mbappe, Lionel Messi and ex-Tottenham star Rafael van der Vaart. A shortlist of 100 players has been released before it gets whittled down by 20 each month until October when the final 20 aim to be crowned Europe’s best young player.
Oakley-Boothe made his first-team debut for Spurs two years ago in a League Cup win over Barnsley.
He has not played since, but has impressed in the under-23s. And with just 12 months left on his deal, plus a year’s option, he has admirers at rival clubs.

 

[therhinospeaks]

There's another Maghoma...... arrrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[therhinospeaks]

Little snippet from the Mirror’s transfer rumour page:

Spurs face battle to keep youngster
Spurs face a battle to keep highly-rated starlet Tashan Oakley-Boothe.
The midfielder, 19, was included on the Tuttosport ‘Golden Boy’ award shortlist which names the best players aged 21 or younger registered with a top-tier European club.
Previous holders include Matthijs de Ligt, Kylian Mbappe, Lionel Messi and ex-Tottenham star Rafael van der Vaart. A shortlist of 100 players has been released before it gets whittled down by 20 each month until October when the final 20 aim to be crowned Europe’s best young player.
Oakley-Boothe made his first-team debut for Spurs two years ago in a League Cup win over Barnsley.
He has not played since, but has impressed in the under-23s. And with just 12 months left on his deal, plus a year’s option, he has admirers at rival clubs.

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[coys200]

TOB hasn’t trained on unfortunately and he’s probably now way down the pecking order behind Skipp Bowden White and possibly few others.

 

[therhinospeaks]

After seeing Solanke DCL and Abraham tonight made me think is there any really highly touted English striker between 17-21. I remember hearing loads about sancho and Hudson odoi and foden as potential mega stars. But I’m struggling to think of a striker. I’m sure there are a couple but nobody has really caught my attention. I guess there’s Brewster but personally don’t really rate him. Just made me think is Parrott possibly the most highly touted in the British isles between 17-21 ?

In fairness Solanke and Abraham were incredible at u18 level.

 

[coys200]

In fairness Solanke and Abraham were incredible at u18 level.

For England but never shown anything for clubs. Bar obviously Abraham in championship. But with all the talent kind of strange no young No 9 has really emerged in last 5 years apart from Kane. I don’t really see Rashford as a 9.

 

[IGSpur]

There's another Maghoma...... arrrrgghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Really?

 

[IGSpur]

For England but never shown anything for clubs. Bar obviously Abraham in championship. But with all the talent kind of strange no young No 9 has really emerged in last 5 years apart from Kane. I don’t really see Rashford as a 9.

You're doing the thing again, where you are seeing where someone is now after a lack of chances and either assuming or forgetting how good they were at Parrott's age who hasn't had the misfortune of being poorly handled by a PL club yet.

Players who have shown to be at least as prolific or arguably at least as talented and promising as Parrott at his age are Solanke, Abraham, Ennis, Armstrong, Nketiah, Simms, Griffiths, both Greenwood's, Duncan, Brewster. There are a couple of others. I distinguish between prolific and talent as they don't necessarily go hand in hand as you know.

Parrott is a very very good player but I wouldn't jump the gun on anything yet. I've definitely seen better talent than him go to waste here in the last 3/4 years but he is definitely up there.

 

[coys200]

You're doing the thing again, where you are seeing where someone is now after a lack of chances and either assuming or forgetting how good they were at Parrott's age who hasn't had the misfortune of being poorly handled by a PL club yet.

Players who have shown to be at least as prolific or arguably at least as talented and promising as Parrott at his age are Solanke, Abraham, Ennis, Armstrong, Nketiah, Simms, Griffiths, both Greenwood's, Duncan, Brewster. There are a couple of others. I distinguish between prolific and talent as they don't necessarily go hand in hand as you know.

Parrott is a very very good player but I wouldn't jump the gun on anything yet. I've definitely seen better talent than him go to waste here in the last 3/4 years but he is definitely up there.

Can’t say I’ve seen all of them play from say 18. And obviously it’s hard not to be bias but I don’t see Solanke Abraham Griffiths Brewster Duncan as better. What I’m saying is if you had to rank all the potential good youth strikers from 17-21 would you really put anyone obviously above Parrott maybe only Greenwood for me.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

You're doing the thing again, where you are seeing where someone is now after a lack of chances and either assuming or forgetting how good they were at Parrott's age who hasn't had the misfortune of being poorly handled by a PL club yet.

Players who have shown to be at least as prolific or arguably at least as talented and promising as Parrott at his age are Solanke, Abraham, Ennis, Armstrong, Nketiah, Simms, Griffiths, both Greenwood's, Duncan, Brewster. There are a couple of others. I distinguish between prolific and talent as they don't necessarily go hand in hand as you know.

Parrott is a very very good player but I wouldn't jump the gun on anything yet. I've definitely seen better talent than him go to waste here in the last 3/4 years but he is definitely up there.

I’m putting my house on Parrot being a regular first teamer for us in the future. He just has something about him. When Onomah played for the first team he never looked comfortable, kept falling over, basically he couldn’t hack it. When Parrot gets in he will revel in it. He’s got everything to be a success and he is always up for a fight. Literally sometimes, hence the two sendings off. You need a bit of edge to make it in football.

 

[IGSpur]

Can’t say I’ve seen all of them play from say 18. And obviously it’s hard not to be bias but I don’t see Solanke Abraham Griffiths Brewster Duncan as better. What I’m saying is if you had to rank all the potential good youth strikers from 17-21 would you really put anyone obviously above Parrott maybe only Greenwood for me.

But if you haven't seen any from 18 or before and Parrott isn't even 18 yet how can you make a fair comparison. Duncan, Solanke, and Abraham were definitely higher rated at 17/18. Remember Abraham has scored the most goals for a teenager in the Championship. As ever it's their handling by their host club that has stunted their development.

Well I'd say Solanke and Abraham have Parrott's history better records at youth club level and have produced at least something at professional level so I'd say they're better than him. Otherwise at this point, taking into account injuries and others, no there aren't a lot of top quality strikers about but my knowledge of the current crop isn't as good as the older crop. Simms has an incredible record, I'd argue that Nketiah is probably better than Parrott, the other two I'd have considered better at 17 were CHO and Greenwood who were strikers at that age. I'd be interested to see what you though of Kane at the time compared to Parrott. Kane was also a quality striker but look how he struggled and had a great slice of luck to end up where he is. Parrott is an excellent striker but not everyone ends up as lucky as Kane and then people's opinions will be revised and change when he eventually doesn't make it with us. Either way we'll just have to wait and see hopefully he gets a chance at some point.

I’m putting my house on Parrot being a regular first teamer for us in the future. He just has something about him. When Onomah played for the first team he never looked comfortable, kept falling over, basically he couldn’t hack it. When Parrot gets in he will revel in it. He’s got everything to be a success and he is always up for a fight. Literally sometimes, hence the two sendings off. You need a bit of edge to make it in football.

Onomah has also been sent off for fighting a couple of times at youth level and was up for massive games. I've also seen Roles, who has a very nasty side to his game give plenty of verbal as well as Marsh. I don't think that equates to being a success. I don't know what you've seen in Parrott that will make him revel in it, but hopefully we just start by putting him in a position he plays in regularly so he at least feels comfortable if he ever gets a chance in the firs team. It will no doubt help

 

[coys200]

Tbh I’ve only really been following the youth players closely for last 3-4 years. Obviously I was aware of Kane but all I remember is that he just was always scoring. Can’t say I saw much of him play at 17. As said I may be bias but of all the youth strikers I’ve seen I just feel Parrott is the most rounded as a pure 9. It feels like he ticks all the boxes in theory. Where as when I look at Solanke or Abraham I can see short comings in there game. As for Nkeitah I just don’t see that presence that Parrott has.Obviously this is just a gut feeling, but I feel like Parrott will be a really good character he just has that swagger of a big player. Maybe the fact the hopes of a nation are resting on him a bit may be a good thing and make him a bit of a leader like Bale with Wales.

 

[spurs9]

Can’t say I’ve seen all of them play from say 18. And obviously it’s hard not to be bias but I don’t see Solanke Abraham Griffiths Brewster Duncan as better. What I’m saying is if you had to rank all the potential good youth strikers from 17-21 would you really put anyone obviously above Parrott maybe only Greenwood for me.

You've had a bit of a mare here. I rate Parrott and have high hopes for him but Solanke, Abraham and Adam Armstrong were all better at the same age.

Parrott:
U23 leage - Played 10, Scored 2
UEFA youth League - P5, S3
FA youth cup - P2, S0
Ireland U17 - P11, S4

Solanke @17:
U23 leage - P18, S13
UEFA youth League - P6, S6
FA youth cup - P9, S13
England U17 - P14, S11

Abraham @17:
U23 leage - P11*, S4
UEFA youth League - P7*, S4
FA youth cup - P6, S7
*Despite more games, actually less mins played than Parrott.

Armstrong @17:
U23 leage - P11, S6
England U17 - P12, S10

 

[coys200]

You've had a bit of a mare here. I rate Parrott and have high hopes for him but Solanke, Abraham and Adam Armstrong were all better at the same age.

Parrott:
U23 leage - Played 10, Scored 2
UEFA youth League - P5, S3
FA youth cup - P2, S0
Ireland U17 - P11, S4

Solanke @17:
U23 leage - P18, S13
UEFA youth League - P6, S6
FA youth cup - P9, S13
England U17 - P14, S11

Abraham @17:
U23 leage - P11*, S4
UEFA youth League - P7*, S4
FA youth cup - P6, S7
*Despite more games, actually less mins played than Parrott.

Armstrong @17:
U23 leage - P11, S6
England U17 - P12, S10

You can’t always base everything on stats. I’d also say Solanke and Abraham had a big physical advantage which has obviously evened out. You also have to consider the teams they were playing in our U23 have been poor and almost got relegated and England U17 were far more dominant than Ireland. When Parrott played in the U18s who were dominant he scored a load which you’ve conveniently left out.That’s why I said I believe Parrott will be an all round better footballer than those 2. Would you seriously swap Parrott for any of the 3 mentioned above, I certainly wouldn’t.

 

[therhinospeaks]

Really?

Yep but he's at Arsenal. Think he might be Jacques son.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

You've had a bit of a mare here. I rate Parrott and have high hopes for him but Solanke, Abraham and Adam Armstrong were all better at the same age.

Parrott:
U23 leage - Played 10, Scored 2
UEFA youth League - P5, S3
FA youth cup - P2, S0
Ireland U17 - P11, S4

Solanke @17:
U23 leage - P18, S13
UEFA youth League - P6, S6
FA youth cup - P9, S13
England U17 - P14, S11

Abraham @17:
U23 leage - P11*, S4
UEFA youth League - P7*, S4
FA youth cup - P6, S7
*Despite more games, actually less mins played than Parrott.

Armstrong @17:
U23 leage - P11, S6
England U17 - P12, S10

Stats don’t really mean that much at youth level. Tammy Abraham did well in youth football but never looked to me like a future Chelsea striker. Done well at Villa but he won’t be a Chelsea striker.
At times you talk as if every half decent youth player should make it , if given a chance. The fact is the vast majority won’t. Most times it’s because they are just not good enough or because they have a bad attitude.
Vary was let go at Sheffield Utd as a youth player and admitted he was a pratt. Not many come back like he has.
I used to work with a lad who could have been a pro. He said he just got fed up of being on a bus for a couple of hours every other week.
All the players who sign at 16 will all have been the best players in their school teams. It will have been easy for them.suddenly they are surrounded by players just as good or better. Then having been centre forward all their lives, the coach puts them at full back and it’s another world.
Survival of the fittest it certainly is.

 

[JimmyG2]

Stats don’t really mean that much at youth level. Tammy Abraham did well in youth football but never looked to me like a future Chelsea striker. Done well at Villa but he won’t be a Chelsea striker.
At times you talk as if every half decent youth player should make it , if given a chance. The fact is the vast majority won’t. Most times it’s because they are just not good enough or because they have a bad attitude.
Vary was let go at Sheffield Utd as a youth player and admitted he was a pratt. Not many come back like he has.
I used to work with a lad who could have been a pro. He said he just got fed up of being on a bus for a couple of hours every other week.
All the players who sign at 16 will all have been the best players in their school teams. It will have been easy for them.suddenly they are surrounded by players just as good or better. Then having been centre forward all their lives, the coach puts them at full back and it’s another world.
Survival of the fittest it certainly is.

I think most people realise this
even Academy dreamers like me
but it costs nothing to hope
except for the well known health warning
but I do think 'own grown and hand reared'
young players often give you something else
to compensate for their lack of absolute quality.
whether in attitude or being brought up
in good club habits.
They genuinly play for the badge,
the honour and with gratitude to the club.

Mason did, Skipp does, Winks has both of course
and Kane is the exception that tests the rule.

I prefer to give preference to our own
for as long as possible
than survey the world for foreign aces
often expensive
possibly disruptive
and not fit for purpose in the Prem.

One of our own is a dream
sometimes a delusion
occasionally a nightmare
but always deeply satisfying
when it happens
and I will continue to hope
until it kills me.

 

[therhinospeaks]

I think most people realise this
even Academy dreamers like me
but it costs nothing to hope
except for the well known health warning
but I do think 'own grown and hand reared'
young players often give you something else
to compensate for their lack of absolute quality.
whether in attitude or being brought up
in good club habits.
They genuinly play for the badge,
the honour and with gratitude to the club.

Mason did, Skipp does, Winks has both of course
and Kane is the exception that tests the rule.

I prefer to give preference to our own
for as long as possible
than survey the world for foreign aces
often expensive
possibly disruptive
and not fit for purpose in the Prem.

One of our own is a dream
sometimes a delusion
occasionally a nightmare
but always deeply satisfying
when it happens
and I will continue to hope
until it kills me.

Well said that man.