The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[beats1]

By all accounts Marcus couldn’t cope with the Brentford fitness test and couldn’t finish it. Say no more. Ravel Morrison here I come

The fact you're comparing him to ravel morrison is making you look silly

Youre comparing him to a person who was arrested for violence towards two people whilst also intimidating witnesses and threatening to throw acid at two people.

The two situations aren't comparable at all

 

[beats1]

However I do think the club hasn't got everything right with him, ultimately he might have made it/might not but with his raw talent and tricky personality he probably did need treating a little differently and in house around the first team was the better place for him.

There is a reluctance by people here to admit that the academy isn't performing at a high level or even well

 

[guru]

I think to say he has a bad attitude is harsh, he's clearly a very introverted kid who struggles outside of his environment and that manifests itself in all different ways - eg. what happened at Norwich, not wanting to go to training.

Some people just don't have that real drive/personality and I do suspect that Edwards is too comfortable being a kid in London hanging out with his mates and football is kind of just a game he is good at, and I hope he doesn't realise too late there is more to it than that to have a career at the top end of the game.

However I do think the club hasn't got everything right with him, ultimately he might have made it/might not but with his raw talent and tricky personality he probably did need treating a little differently and in house around the first team was the better place for him.

I did hear from in house he was given multiple chances , a lot more then others and treated exceptionally well , He will be 21 soon , it’s not as though he is 14 / 15 . I believe coaching staff actually went out of their way to help him . Literally bent over backwards .Maybe just look at it in a different light that he would further his career at a different club . Good luck to the lad if he leaves and hopefully he can change things around for himself somewhere else

 

[guru]

On a positive note 10 youth players (11 if you count skippy ) going on the first team tour , how great is that

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2019/july/asia-tour-squad-confirmed/

 

[danielneeds]

I think to say he has a bad attitude is harsh, he's clearly a very introverted kid who struggles outside of his environment and that manifests itself in all different ways - eg. what happened at Norwich, not wanting to go to training.

Some people just don't have that real drive/personality and I do suspect that Edwards is too comfortable being a kid in London hanging out with his mates and football is kind of just a game he is good at, and I hope he doesn't realise too late there is more to it than that to have a career at the top end of the game.

However I do think the club hasn't got everything right with him, ultimately he might have made it/might not but with his raw talent and tricky personality he probably did need treating a little differently and in house around the first team was the better place for him.

Absolutely not. Everything Poch and McDermott have done to change this club around from the sort of place where people could steal a living by "just doing enough" into somewhere where attitude, hard work, fighting for your team-mates is important relies on people being rewarded for hard work and dedication not just their talent.

 

[Johnny J]

On a positive note 10 youth players (11 if you count skippy ) going on the first team tour , how great is that

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2019/july/asia-tour-squad-confirmed/
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I find it so irritating that Edwards isn't going. So much talent. Wish he'd been given the chances that Winks and Skipp have.

 

[Johnny J]

Where's that come from?

@Westmorlandspur

 

[faze_coys]

@Westmorlandspur

I bet it's from the same source who said he was training with them last week (even though they was on a training camp in Austria for a week)

 

[beats1]

Absolutely not. Everything Poch and McDermott have done to change this club around from the sort of place where people could steal a living by "just doing enough" into somewhere where attitude, hard work, fighting for your team-mates is important relies on people being rewarded for hard work and dedication not just their talent.

Have you got examples of this?

Otherwise players like Bostock, Taarabt, Cebellos and etc. would have made it long ago.

Someone like Livermore who wasn't the least talented CM in his age group made it through hard work and dedication despite being SHITE on loan

 

[coys200]

There is a reluctance by people here to admit that the academy isn't performing at a high level or even well

Because one obvious talent has screwed up his own chances ? We have 4 academy players in the senior squad of which 2 are England internationals. Parrott on the verge of the squad. Not quite sure what you’re expecting. The only thing I wish we could find is an exciting pacey winger like a sancho, Hudson odoi , greenwood. I think all other areas we are producing very promising talent.

 

[coys200]

What do we think is the situation with Georgiou ? 22 now yet still here and still making the tour. Seems like Pochettino is being pretty ruthless but yet Georgiou is still hanging in there.

 

[pelayo59]

Is Brooklyn Lyons-Foster would be our Saliba?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Is Brooklyn Lyons-Foster would be our Saliba?

i really like blf but he's about three stone away from being first team ready, will be a good experience for him though and at least he has ability and isn't just being taken because he's a good lad.

 

[Johnny J]

Because one obvious talent has screwed up his own chances ? We have 4 academy players in the senior squad of which 2 are England internationals. Parrott on the verge of the squad. Not quite sure what you’re expecting. The only thing I wish we could find is an exciting pacey winger like a sancho, Hudson odoi , greenwood. I think all other areas we are producing very promising talent.

I think the chances of a pacy exciting forward are low. Poch seems to favour hard work over everything else, including skill. It would have cost us very little to give Onomah or Edwards a proper chance in the first team, but no.

 

[coys200]

Onomah had 45 chances.

 

[NorSpur]

What do we think is the situation with Georgiou ? 22 now yet still here and still making the tour. Seems like Pochettino is being pretty ruthless but yet Georgiou is still hanging in there.

With Rose and Davies staying behind someone has to play left back in Asia. Georgiou is a more natural winger but has played some at left back. Of course he could impress but my personal take on this is that he joins to cover left back. He didn't get a lot of playing time in second division in Spain, right?

 

[faze_coys]

I bet it's from the same source who said he was training with them last week (even though they was on a training camp in Austria for a week)

Now dan kp has ’randomly’ tweeted he didn't travel to Austria

 

[beats1]

Because one obvious talent has screwed up his own chances ? We have 4 academy players in the senior squad of which 2 are England internationals. Parrott on the verge of the squad. Not quite sure what you’re expecting. The only thing I wish we could find is an exciting pacey winger like a sancho, Hudson odoi , greenwood. I think all other areas we are producing very promising talent.

Screwed up his own chances, how about players aren't actually reaching their potential with the exception of Skipp, most of those academy players came through a different coaching regime. Cant count preseason as part of the first team squad.

Scholars haven't been improving year on year, of course you can live with your head in the sand but its little wonder with an academy that pretty much has new coaches every for the different age groups has suffered from their players stagnating.

The point of the academy isn't to make their first team ready, that's the goal but the point is to make them reach their potential. However I dont see us producing players for the football league. We are producing players to join poorer academies in the football league and go in to obscurity.

Chelsea as an academy is thriving whilst their progression to their first team is disgusting though improving. We are the opposite. We potentially have players more involved with the first team but our academy players aren't showing big improvement.

Also saying Parrott is on the verge of the squad is laughable. What is this based on? Tweets? He hasn't exactly excelled at youth level but looks a great prospect. This attitude is exactly why england isn't producing homegrown talent. As soon as a player isn't doing well, its because he's a bad egg whilst a player doing well is because he is a good egg. Academies in this countries dont objectively assess their own performance or look to ways to improve added with the money in the PL, there isn't a hunger to address this either as there's this belief this is as good as it gets.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Swansea are apparently talking to the club with regards to come players but they are doing this also with

Chelsea & Everton apparently.

Was told Eyoma was nailed on but seems to have gone quiet on that front.

 

[mpickard2087]

Absolutely not. Everything Poch and McDermott have done to change this club around from the sort of place where people could steal a living by "just doing enough" into somewhere where attitude, hard work, fighting for your team-mates is important relies on people being rewarded for hard work and dedication not just their talent.

I never said he should have a guaranteed spot. But every youngster is different, some will jump through as many hoops as you set them whilst some need the carrot dangled in front of them to get a response. In some cases, and I think with a player like Edwards whose style/skillset/talent and personality this applies, you might need to dangle a bigger carrot than you'd like to.

As far as I'm aware he never really trained with the first team squad for any prolonged period of time, bar making up the numbers on depleted pre-season tours etc. In my opinion that was the best place for him, in amongst the senior players would be a challenge/eye opener because of the step up in quality, compared to being used to being the most talented in his age group teams, and also he'd be forced to get fitter and work harder and adhere to rules/standards - and Poch would be best to oversee that and iron out the flaws than any of our revolving door of academy coaches. If he didn't show any desire to improve then fair enough, bin him.

I also think with a player like that, any first team involvement should then have been drip fed. 5 - 10 minutes off the bench and taken very slowly. He's a kid who physically was not ready, and mentally struggles outside his bubble and is hard to read and break through. Carting him off on loans and expecting him to play match after match wasn't sensible. Some will think that's just making excuses for him, and like any academy player I have no idea whether he'd ultimately make it or not with another approach or doing things any differently, but I just don't think the decisions made were the best path for his Spurs development and career.