The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Who is this?

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Patterson

Thanks. Has nice feet. Great ball from someone else to him for the goal on 19m. Nicely weighted and vision.

 

[edson]

Thanks. Has nice feet. Great ball from someone else to him for the goal on 19m. Nicely weighted and vision.

He has been doing well of late and is having a good Season so far,can play a number of positions across the midfield and he is a hard worker with a fair bit of ability that can strike a ball as well.

 

[coys200]

Patterson will probably get in Scotland national squad before he plays for us same with Troy parrott and Ireland.

 

[kmk]

I love the way he retains possession in tight spaces. From that clip, he reminds me off Marcus Edwards.

What is his position? AM / Winger ?

Is he Scottish or does he qualify to play for Scotland through a grandparent / parent ?

Edit, he was born in High Wycombe https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/teams/under-18/players/phoenix-patterson/

 

[Locotoro]

Patterson will probably get in Scotland national squad before he plays for us same with Troy parrott and Ireland.

I remember when Scotland and Ireland could field mainly premiership starting 11's. Not sure whats happened to them.

Maybe a market that has been neglected?

 

[Saoirse]

I remember when Scotland and Ireland could field mainly premiership starting 11's. Not sure whats happened to them.

Maybe a market that has been neglected?

Think it's two different cases. For Scotland, most of the domestic leagues in mid-rank nations (Holland, Portugal, Belgium, Greece, Turkey etc) have sufferred and struggled to keep ahold of their best talent or compete like they used to in Europe, but this decline has been even more drastic. Their FA and league have been totally incompetent, they're stuck with the huge beast which is the Premier League eating into their domestic market, they've failed to market abroad and it's been in a cycle of decline. This has meant far fewer oppourtunities for Scottish talent to develop at a decent level, and it shows that even the very best players at Celtic tend to end up moving to mid-table English clubs like Southampton - so precious little chance for anyone else to get to move to the Premier League.

For Ireland, the domestic league has always been rubbish - they're quite heavily reliant on players in England with Irish heritage choosing to play for them. The first problem is that fewer want to - the identity is probably less strong post-troubles where you don't encounter any problems living here as an Irishman now, not to mention a lot more of the eligible players are now qualifying a step further back through grandparents rather than parents which is a looser connection. The second is that England became rubbish, and so the types of players who'd have gone for Ireland because they had no chance of getting into an England team ahead of Terry, Gerrard or Rooney have instead been looking at competition of Jones, Lallana and Sturridge - that's probably starting to reverse now but has already had an impact. For instance, faced with competition from peak Rooney, Crouch and Defoe, might one Harry Kane have been tempted by an Ireland call-up considering he was eligible for them? Especially because during the "Golden Generation" years he probably wouldn't have even been getting into England's youth squads considering even in reality he was considered backup to Berahino?

 

[coys200]

I think the foreign imports to PL massively effected Scotland and Ireland. Average foreign players now fill spots that Scots/Irish would have done 20 years ago. I think United always had quite a strong Irish connection but that has dwindled in last 20 years. Wales have shown the way forward appointing young hungry national managers.

 

[Blake Griffin]

kwp starting for the u21s against denmark, just about to kick off on bt.

edit: did well, played a part in their first two goals. went off after 70.

 

[HarryKane]

CCV starts for the US in a back 3 vs Italy

 

[guru]

Looks like walker peters did well for England U21s , he started off the move for 2 of our goals

 

[coyspurs18]

CCV starts for the US in a back 3 vs Italy

He's been pretty poor, but so has the entire squad.

 

[spursfan77]

CCV starts for the US in a back 3 vs Italy

It’s a real shame he didn’t play against England.

 

[coys200]

Not sure Ccv is gonna cut it. Even without buying anyone he will behind jan sanchez foyth (Toby ?). And you’d think one of eyoma tanganga Walcott Binks blf will be better than him. Championship or bottom half PL is probably his level.

 

[Spurzinho]

CCV's development has really stalled. He was doing excellently in training by all accounts but in the couple of appearances he had with us and definitely in his loan spells he's looked troublingly immobile. He struggles with balls into the channels and in-behind and I've seen him look very ineffectual from set-pieces. I've also noticed him being slow to react to stuff and being ponderous on the ball which was never evident when he was in the youth set-up. You do have to wonder if he's had an injury problem that we don't know about. There is always the possibility that he hit his ceiling early and hasn't stalled at all but just reached his level. Whatever the issue is he's a long way away currently from being a defender you could confidently throw in for a run of games.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

 

[coys200]

If you squint it’s Carrick.

 

[IGSpur]

CCV's development has really stalled. He was doing excellently in training by all accounts but in the couple of appearances he had with us and definitely in his loan spells he's looked troublingly immobile. He struggles with balls into the channels and in-behind and I've seen him look very ineffectual from set-pieces. I've also noticed him being slow to react to stuff and being ponderous on the ball which was never evident when he was in the youth set-up. You do have to wonder if he's had an injury problem that we don't know about. There is always the possibility that he hit his ceiling early and hasn't stalled at all but just reached his level. Whatever the issue is he's a long way away currently from being a defender you could confidently throw in for a run of games.

Saying that if he did make it in the Championship as a CB that'd me a good effort. One thing you pointed out that I've always been surprised by is the ineffectiveness from attacking set-pieces. I didn't watch the US game I tried to, but even taking into his size he doesn't seem much of a threat which is weird when you look at Tanganga who's the same height but a much bigger threat. Possibly due to his leap. The stalling of CCV's development isn't just restricted to him. It's happened with a lot of our players.

In the 99 age group we have had 5 players previously in there, when we now occasionally have one. In the 00 age group we have had 4 regulars at u16 level and 3 fringe players and now we only have one. At u16/17 we are one of the best producers for England but our development is arguably the worse at the moment out of the top 6 clubs. I'd be interested to see how we compare with other clubs, in terms of loss of players from the national side as they go through the age groups. Even in the 98 age group we had Sterling, Whiteman and Edwards, now we have none, though Edwards admission is surprising.

This of course comes to no real surprise though as the coaching at u23 level is poor and the best players are kept from playing any football whatsoever for sometimes a couple of years at a time. This really needs to be looked at, looks like we're regressing here

 

[allpaths]

Saying that if he did make it in the Championship as a CB that'd me a good effort. One thing you pointed out that I've always been surprised by is the ineffectiveness from attacking set-pieces. I didn't watch the US game I tried to, but even taking into his size he doesn't seem much of a threat which is weird when you look at Tanganga who's the same height but a much bigger threat. Possibly due to his leap. The stalling of CCV's development isn't just restricted to him. It's happened with a lot of our players.

In the 99 age group we have had 5 players previously in there, when we now occasionally have one. In the 00 age group we have had 4 regulars at u16 level and 3 fringe players and now we only have one. At u16/17 we are one of the best producers for England but our development is arguably the worse at the moment out of the top 6 clubs. I'd be interested to see how we compare with other clubs, in terms of loss of players from the national side as they go through the age groups. Even in the 98 age group we had Sterling, Whiteman and Edwards, now we have none, though Edwards admission is surprising.

This of course comes to no real surprise though as the coaching at u23 level is poor and the best players are kept from playing any football whatsoever for sometimes a couple of years at a time. This really needs to be looked at, looks like we're regressing here

I agree that the club needs to take partial responsible for the stagnation of Edwards, KWP and especially Onomah. But I really feel at 16 CCV was just a man among boys and his sheer strength papered over a lack of mobility and leap. He was never good enough on the ball, especially when compared to Foyth and when he didn't grow (height) wise he was always gonna struggle defensively.

 

[Mikegold]

Saying that if he did make it in the Championship as a CB that'd me a good effort. One thing you pointed out that I've always been surprised by is the ineffectiveness from attacking set-pieces. I didn't watch the US game I tried to, but even taking into his size he doesn't seem much of a threat which is weird when you look at Tanganga who's the same height but a much bigger threat. Possibly due to his leap. The stalling of CCV's development isn't just restricted to him. It's happened with a lot of our players.

In the 99 age group we have had 5 players previously in there, when we now occasionally have one. In the 00 age group we have had 4 regulars at u16 level and 3 fringe players and now we only have one. At u16/17 we are one of the best producers for England but our development is arguably the worse at the moment out of the top 6 clubs. I'd be interested to see how we compare with other clubs, in terms of loss of players from the national side as they go through the age groups. Even in the 98 age group we had Sterling, Whiteman and Edwards, now we have none, though Edwards admission is surprising.

This of course comes to no real surprise though as the coaching at u23 level is poor and the best players are kept from playing any football whatsoever for sometimes a couple of years at a time. This really needs to be looked at, looks like we're regressing here

You say we need to look at it as we're regressing, but surely the overall thing is whether or not they go onto first team football. When we were reguarly having 5 in a squad etc, it doesn't seem like many were going on to greater things. So surely it's a red herring metric that means not much?