The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[Anuth]

U15 pens
Hacketts O
Cassanova O
Scarlett X
Torraj O
Mathurin O
Walters O

 

[IGSpur]

Mail says he’s training with Everton and City!

At what point do the players leaving start prompting a review of what’s going on? Feels like we’re losing lots of talent

Ye a kind watcher of the forum, just told me he apparently did to us what he did to West Ham, and left us, hoping someone picks him up. Now apparently it looks like City and Everton are looking at him. This is really becoming frustrating as Forson was probably the star player in this very talented age group. This is actually very gutting, to hear as he has real ability. Very skilful, good dribbler will likely be the best CM in his England age group. West Ham fans will likely chuckle. As it has been released now, he was the academy player I was talking about when I wrote the comments below. So maybe he is inspired by the Sancho route. It's a sensible option.

And depending on which way you look at it, it's getting better/worse. Without setting off alarm bells, as there is ZERO indication this player is leaving, and I'm not going to comment who it is. One of our very talented and promising youth players actually commented on a positive post of Sancho on instagram acknowledging that Sancho never played for City's first team, and got into Dortmunds first team and is playing in the Bundesliga and talking about his huge potential. it could be someone managing it, but regardless people are recognising this and they are seeing a 17 year old, who's had all the 'where does he think he is believing he can play first team football' comments is actually proving to be a success. Will they all be successes? of course not, but go abroad and have a 60% chance of getting a chance or stay in England have a 1% chance of getting a shot, being highly dependent on injuries occurring.

And as I've mentioned before I saw one of our talented now u15 players commenting on a post about Sancho playing in the Bundesliga and how it is a good route.

Also we have apparently released Max Hudson who was the really talented LB for this age group. Well I hope he was released and not poached. That would make Kirby, Madueke, Forson, Reo Campbell as talents that felt they should leave or were poached, though the first 3 are on a completely different level to Campbell (I think). 3 incredible CMs at youth level but it will be interesting to see if they make the right decision. I'd love to know what's going through the academy coaches minds atm.

We don't compete with other teams who are willing to make teenage players and their parents millionaires without any guarantee that the player will make the grade. You can't really blame him for leaving when he can sign a deal like that.

Tbh I understand him going to City a lot more than I understand him going to Everton. City he will get top quality coaching surrounded, by other top quality academy players and seeing PL champions training near him. However, he will also get great loan opportunties there compared to here, and a lot more money. As I say if he is sensible, if he doesn't see a route there, he should then go abroad. Not sure about why going to Everton. Their academy isn't better than ours, neither are their facilities. Maybe he might see an easier pathway, as the manager himself here, basically implies there is no chance to come through as we have top quality players. Plus as I see they/he will have taken note of the lack of players coming through here and may back himself at Everton. However, I still think the same problem exists there so doubt he'd end up there tbh.

Finally we have apparently also signed a Latvian keeper as well as the Norwegian that will go into the u16s this year. Apparently Tobi Oluwayemi hasn't progressed as well over the last year.

 

[IGSpur]

Our U15's match today KO time has been changed to 1.30pm UK time

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That's annoying but at least we're through

Other than the 8 this side look very ordinary.

I take it Haysman had a good game

1-1 final

I'm not sure if it was due to the camera angle but Renaldo Torraj (10) looked like he was the younger brother of one of the players that decided to join in.

He's incredibly tiny

 

[Spurzinho]

Also we have apparently released Max Hudson who was the really talented LB for this age group. Well I hope he was released and not poached. That would make Kirby, Madueke, Forson, Reo Campbell as talents that felt they should leave or were poached, though the first 3 are on a completely different level to Campbell (I think). 3 incredible CMs at youth level but it will be interesting to see if they make the right decision. I'd love to know what's going through the academy coaches minds atm.
Finally we have apparently also signed a Latvian keeper as well as the Norwegian that will go into the u16s this year. Apparently Tobi Oluwayemi hasn't progressed as well over the last year.

Didn't we release Campbell, rather than him leaving us?

 

[coyspurs18]

U15 pens
Hacketts O
Cassanova O
Scarlett X
Torraj O
Mathurin O
Walters O

I think it was Scarlett that missed one in the 2nd half as well.

 

[IGSpur]

Didn't we release Campbell, rather than him leaving us?

Not sure. I assumed if Chelsea picked him up he must have been taken. However, I didn't watch a lot of him, and what I did watch I didn't think much of him so I was surprised but assumed I could have caught him at the wrong time. EIther way, he doesn't compare to the other 3 players mentioned from what I saw, so what you say is very plausible.

Still frustrating either way, that we are producing incredible talents, and not hanging onto them

 

[IGSpur]

Our former academy player Denzeil Boadu was picked up by Dortmund around the same time they got Sancho. Boadu is currently on their preseason tour. He is a player that has suffered a lot of injuries, and Dortmund picked him up from City as a player to work on and get back to his old levels

 

[Romulus]

the daily mail are reporting that Everton are favourites to sign Omari Forson after training with them this week. city apparently interested too.

surely we're not losing another talent @IGSpur

 

[danielneeds]

While I do agree we need to look at the overarching strategy in our youth development, I wouldn't be too worried about some kids jumping ship, even if they are talented. It's just the way it goes, really. Heads will always be turned at that age, and it's sometimes easier for the kid to blame his current club for not making as much progress as he would like, than looking at himself.

 

[Anuth]

While I do agree we need to look at the overarching strategy in our youth development, I wouldn't be too worried about some kids jumping ship, even if they are talented. It's just the way it goes, really. Heads will always be turned at that age, and it's sometimes easier for the kid to blame his current club for not making as much progress as he would like, than looking at himself.

It's also easier for the club to blame the kid for jumping ship rather than looking at themselves.?

 

[danielneeds]

It's also easier for the club to blame the kid for jumping ship rather than looking at themselves.?

There's no club in the world that doesn't consistently sell it's best players every summer that is going to offer a guaranteed pathway to its youth players. At any club that's got a stable and talented first team squad they will be battling against the odds to make it.

That's not to say the club haven't made mistakes too, but if tonnes of talented kids think they will all go to Germany and be guaranteed to play, they are very much mistaken.

 

[Blake Griffin]

you can understand losing players to city or to go abroad but alarm bells must be ringing when they're now even leaving us for everton?!

as for forson himself we did take him from west ham originally so it doesn't hurt as much as when they've been here from the beginning but it is still worrying. having only seen him a couple of times he does look a talent though difficult to gauge as he has a big size and power advantage over most kids in his age group.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

the daily mail are reporting that Everton are favourites to sign Omari Forson after training with them this week. city apparently interested too.

surely we're not losing another talent @IGSpur

Seems a bit odd and very pre-emptive as some of these lads are years off first team football wherever they go at 14/15.

Seems very strange to jump ship at that age, no? I can understand people like Bennetts though and good luck to them.

A lot of young London lads, from all teams, have been heading to Merseyside though in the last few years.

 

[beats1]

People are surprised to see players leaving but I would say why stay?

Can anyone give me a reason, we have great facilities but other than that I dont see much reason to stay imho

The problem is what is the point or the mission statement of our academy?

Its a convoluted mess.

We arent preparing players for the first team.
We arent imo developing players for the league, its normally players who have shorter deals who we arent too bothered then go out to the lower leagues.
We arent imo even making players the best they can be, there have been so many players who have stagnated in the past 3 seasons and Im talking about the lesser known players in the U18's and U21's. We are talking about players who start training full time and for some reason havent improved a great deal like Maghoma.

The one thing that people should realise that the coaching staff has changed several times and it seems to had an effect imo

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Its all a bit reactionary - a 14 year old leaves does it matter not really. I am honestly surprised that anyone has any knowledge of the kids at this age you certainly can't watch at the training ground until they become youth players. Kids at that age come and go the turnover at that age is huge

The boy who went to Holland that seems such a backward step - the Dutch League is a poor league and he seems to have tried to take an easy option not a good sign imo

The boy Bennett's I have seen him a bit and he is a little ability but for me is never going to make it here .He just doesn't have enough to his game imo

As for the youngsters not improving that is youth football it changes so much, boys have spurts and spells and its not always the lads who catch the eye initially who breakthrough for all manner of reasons

We have seen a few successes of late, Winks has broken through Walker Peters is around the first team and Carter Vickers has had decent loans amongst a few others. That's from one intake and what was a very good youth team

Coaches changing, who knows what suits one doesn't suit another but the good players will continue to succeed that is the nature of football. Plus players have to be able to play under different coaches the important thing at the Academy had been the retention of Mcdermott to oversee the whole thing

 

[coyspurs18]

1-0 Spurs. Not sure who scored...

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

We must have about 25 U23 players and 16 U18 players as well as our academy set up.......do people honestly believe that we're not going to bleed some of these? Only a tiny fraction ever make the grade, and losing one good player only really gives a little more space and time for others to try and shine. Of all the youth players we have rued losing over the years, have many ever really shone elsewhere?

 

[coyspurs18]

1-1 at the half.

 

[JRSG]

The boy who went to Holland that seems such a backward step - the Dutch League is a poor league and he seems to have tried to take an easy option not a good sign imo

Can't believe Eriksen, Sanchez, Vertonghen, Dembele + Alderweireld ruined their careers by taking the easy options.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

But Dutch football is regressing on the whole the League is poor - there are some decent players and on the whole we have done well over there but its still an easier option for a kid than trying to make it in England