The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[spursfan77]

Eriksen with some nice words on Skipp:

All of the young players have really shown great character," he said. "They come in and want to play. They're very confident coming into the tour, all of them.

"A lot of them have trained with us a few times, like Luke Amos and Anthony Georgiou. But I think the guy who's the youngest is probably Skippy, who's really taken the game in his hands and is trying to do his thing. He's been very good.

"[I've been impressed] first of all with his courage. He's not scared to get the ball, he's not scared to go forward and he's not scared to tackle. He's an all-round midfielder and I think with a lot of training, as he gets older, he will be there."

 

[Blake Griffin]

I'd like to see something like

Son
Moura------------------------Georgiou
Eriksen ---- Amos
-------- Skipp -------
Davies ------ Sanchez -------CCV-------- KWP
​

Poch has just confirmed that Lamela will not play tomorrow. Would like to see Georgiou given some minutes from the start.

kwp getting a game in his actual position seems a bit optimistic.

he and his agent really need to be more forceful about his future, otherwise he's just going to get joked and spend another year playing about six games with most of those out of position. hopefully he pushes for a loan between now and the end of the window, somewhere like fulham could be a good move for him as i think they're short at rb with fredericks having left.

 

[mancman]

Timi Sibowale a CB from Waterford and a Eire U16 international who had trials at Spurs has signed scholarship forms for Man City. Interestingly his favourite football ground is ....Tottenham Hotspur! I wonder why he signed for City rather than Spurs - one will never know - could possibly be that he sees a pathway to the first team there! Same could be said for Ben Knight. I would never suggest its just money. ( If so whose to blame them).

 

[bat-chain]

Honestly, if Spurs gave proper game time to Walker-Peters, Carter Vickers, Edwards, Amos, Skip and Onomah who would prefer that to any signings?

I would.

 

[tiger666]

Honestly, if Spurs gave proper game time to Walker-Peters, Carter Vickers, Edwards, Amos, Skip and Onomah who would prefer that to any signings?

I would.

That depends if they were good enough. I want the best players, if they're from the academy, all the better.

 

[Spurzinho]

Timi Sibowale a CB from Waterford and a Eire U16 international who had trials at Spurs has signed scholarship forms for Man City. Interestingly his favourite football ground is ....Tottenham Hotspur! I wonder why he signed for City rather than Spurs - one will never know - could possibly be that he sees a pathway to the first team there! Same could be said for Ben Knight. I would never suggest its just money. ( If so whose to blame them).

It had seemed like we had him tied up at one point but after City showed an interest whatever deal we thought we'd agreed seems to have fallen through.

 

[therhinospeaks]

Timi Sibowale a CB from Waterford and a Eire U16 international who had trials at Spurs has signed scholarship forms for Man City. Interestingly his favourite football ground is ....Tottenham Hotspur! I wonder why he signed for City rather than Spurs - one will never know - could possibly be that he sees a pathway to the first team there! Same could be said for Ben Knight. I would never suggest its just money. ( If so whose to blame them).

Their education offer must be a compelling lure for a lot of parents.

 

[danielneeds]

Honestly, if Spurs gave proper game time to Walker-Peters, Carter Vickers, Edwards, Amos, Skip and Onomah who would prefer that to any signings?

I would.

It's not realistic think Skipp and Amos could handle the responsibility of being main CMs in the PL straight away. It's the hardest position to play in the PL, with almost constant pressure and decision making going on all the time. I would definitely like to see tham get some proper minutes, but if the injuries situation with Wanyama and Winks is not looking good, and with Dembele always a worry, we need some strengthening there.

Also, Carter-Vickers still doesn't look like he can handle playing the high line and bringing the ball out that Poch needs in his system. It takes a very talented and confident player to play like Verts, Toby and even Sanchez struggled with it at times. He'd probably be Ok in the PL at a team that sits deeper, and doesn't require him to ball play out.

 

[IGSpur]

lost 2-1

suspect that's our u16 squad list rather than a team-sheet though as i think a few of those were missing after england duty. apparently eddie carrington was the standout, with aird-munn, siziba and gibson-hammond impressing too.

Pics from the game are here

Starting line-up was from r-l Robson, Lo-Tutala, Cesay, Monroe, Aird-Munn, Mundle, Craigs, Carrington, Siziba.

From looking through the pics, Oluwayemi, other Craig, Kyezu and Whittaker also featured. There are a lot of 02 borns in this group it seems

 

[IGSpur]

Timi Sibowale a CB from Waterford and a Eire U16 international who had trials at Spurs has signed scholarship forms for Man City. Interestingly his favourite football ground is ....Tottenham Hotspur! I wonder why he signed for City rather than Spurs - one will never know - could possibly be that he sees a pathway to the first team there! Same could be said for Ben Knight. I would never suggest its just money. ( If so whose to blame them).

Tbf there first team is as hard if not harder to get into than ours. But as @therhinospeaks their education, money and loan opportunities plus the same being in a better academy and having equal facilities arguably makes it a no brainer to go there. Both him and Knight featured for us at different points but clearly were not enticed. We're losing them and not able to convince others to join. At least we have Parrott

 

[IGSpur]

Honestly, if Spurs gave proper game time to Walker-Peters, Carter Vickers, Edwards, Amos, Skip and Onomah who would prefer that to any signings?

I would.

You wouldn't be able to introduce all of those in one season, but if one had been integrated at a time who knows. We always go on about not being able to improve the first team but If we when we needed to spend big to improve the first team we spent our funds on one quality player and then integrated one of our best academy players then we would have a better squad. It's the spreading of our money on average players that annoys me.

That depends if they were good enough. I want the best players, if they're from the academy, all the better.

Same goes for signings, but we buy plenty of those that are not good enough. Might as well try the best of our academy, than taking gambles elsewhere so we can focus our money in improving specific areas.

 

[tiger666]

Same goes for signings, but we buy plenty of those that are not good enough. Might as well try the best of our academy, than taking gambles elsewhere so we can focus our money in improving specific areas.

Yeah this has been done to death on here. I'm not getting in to it again.

 

[IGSpur]

I can see that a little. I think he is more of a deep lying playmaker, whenever I see him he is always picking out passes, but he is a decent little dribbler to with a bit of skill. Definitely think he is a talented little player, one of the many I imagine England will be looking at and calling up to the u15 camps in August. Had a little interaction with @Romulus over it, after the Riga Cup matches

The no.4 was Casanova who I also like he scored a freekick in the first game.

I know I'm going to mention a lot of players but over the last couple of seasons I can imagine England looking at the following with the bolded as being certs I reckon for either the camps or playing for England u15s next season.

Scarlett (ST), Hudson (LB), Bryan-Waugh (CB), Hackett (CB), Haysman (CM), Casanova (CM), Forson (CM), Torraj (LW), Walters (RB). I need to look at Mathurin as he looked a lot trickier in that first game than I'd seen at Riga and you obviously believe he caught the eye in the other matches.

So all very promising

As it has not been confirmed that he has left yet, I will confirm that Forson has been called up to the England camp and is there with Scarlett.

That makes 5 confirmed for this age group.

Also our u14s beat MK Dons 6-1 in their first preseason match

 

[vintagespurs]

Tbf there first team is as hard if not harder to get into than ours. But as @therhinospeaks their education, money and loan opportunities plus the same being in a better academy and having equal facilities arguably makes it a no brainer to go there. Both him and Knight featured for us at different points but clearly were not enticed. We're losing them and not able to convince others to join. At least we have Parrott

I don"t think you are giving enough weight to money as being the reason we are losing these young players. It has been the same when recruiting schoolboys for decades even when it was illegal to offer financial inducements to a schoolboy player to sign. In the late 60's we had David Price, England schoolboys captain at Spurs. If I remember correctly he was a Spurs fan. We were the London glamour club at the time. He ended up signing for the other north London club. ( Thankfully for us he did not have a particularly successful career) Rumours were that it wasn't the path to the 1st team or their facilities that turned his head. At the time Bill Nicholson refused to make illegal payments to sign kids.

So even though now it is legal to pay money to sign kids we are struggling to sign them. The reason, as far as I am concerned is the same one as to why we do not usually sign big name players when the other top 6 clubs are in for the same player- we don't pay the really big money.

Facilities, career path and coaches are relevant but not as peruasive as being made for life even if you don"t make it in the top leagues.

 

[danielneeds]

I don"t think you are giving enough weight to money as being the reason we are losing these young players. It has been the same when recruiting schoolboys for decades even when it was illegal to offer financial inducements to a schoolboy player to sign. In the late 60's we had David Price, England schoolboys captain at Spurs. If I remember correctly he was a Spurs fan. We were the London glamour club at the time. He ended up signing for the other north London club. ( Thankfully for us he did not have a particularly successful career) Rumours were that it wasn't the path to the 1st team or their facilities that turned his head. At the time Bill Nicholson refused to make illegal payments to sign kids.

So even though now it is legal to pay money to sign kids we are struggling to sign them. The reason, as far as I am concerned is the same one as to why we do not usually sign big name players when the other top 6 clubs are in for the same player- we don't pay the really big money.

Facilities, career path and coaches are relevant but not as peruasive as being made for life even if you don"t make it in the top leagues.

And yet our academy creates as many first team players as most others in the country. It’s actually a good thing to weed out players who are just chasing a payday, because it’s almost guaranteed that they will not be top pros, and probably not the sort of personalities you want to build a club around.

McDermott is a very smart guy, and there is a methodology to how we bring up these kids. Sure, it might not be perfect, as very little is, but trying to focus on making loyal, good people, who have the values of humility, hard work and respect, will always pay off better than bussing it loads of talents on huge money.

 

[Blake Griffin]

claiming they're all leaving for a payday is such a cop out. forson left and was last reported to have been training with everton, madueke left for psv, bennetts for borussia monchengladbach and griffiths is/was rumoured to be in talks with lyon, these are hardly abu dhabi clubs they're leaving us for.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

To be fair I thought we did quite well to get 2 mill for Bennetts doesn't have enough to his game imo - Griffiths I am a bit unsure about he scores goals and that's a great trait but I am not convinced though I wouldn't have minded him staying around - the others are young boys so who knows I wouldn't panic just yet

 

[danielneeds]

claiming they're all leaving for a payday is such a cop out. forson left and was last reported to have been training with everton, madueke left for psv, bennetts for borussia monchengladbach and griffiths is/was rumoured to be in talks with lyon, these are hardly abu dhabi clubs they're leaving us for.

I wasn't really talking about players who've left recently, more the idea that we've never paid as much for youth players as some other clubs. I just think the almost Spartan, utilitarian, character driven academy that McDermott has tried to build is a better model

 

[newbie]

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To be fair I thought we
did quite well to get 2 mill for Bennetts doesn't have enough to his game imo - Griffiths I am a bit unsure about he scores goals and that's a great trait but I am not convinced though I wouldn't have minded him staying around - the others are young boys so who knows I wouldn't panic just yet

I think Reo jumped ship to early, I’m not convinced his attitude is right, he might prove me wrong but I think he might think his a lot better than he is.

 

[newbie]

And yet our academy creates as many first team players as most others in the country. It’s actually a good thing to weed out players who are just chasing a payday, because it’s almost guaranteed that they will not be top pros, and probably not the sort of personalities you want to build a club around.

McDermott is a very smart guy, and there is a methodology to how we bring up these kids. Sure, it might not be perfect, as very little is, but trying to focus on making loyal, good people, who have the values of humility, hard work and respect, will always pay off better than bussing it loads of talents on huge money.

I think We create good footballers who take a bit longer to be physically ready, we do seem to give kids a great football education where they yes have to go to league 1 and Championship but there are a hell of a lot making good careers.

I think the value of an academy is the vale added and sometimes this is not appreciated till they are 23-25 maybe. Chelsea and city throw a lot of money, attract the best but on,y time will tell how they fair when they get to mans football. Chelsea pay a hell of a lot to youth players, maybe this retains them maybe it hinders them. Most 18 yrs old could not handle the money, it attracts, fast woman, slow horses, entourages, a mate was saying the other day a friend of his has a son at mil wall and there is a massive gang culture they are always trying get his son dragged in. The players we produce look grounded, sensible pretty clean cut, with the odd exception.