The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[therhinospeaks]

Think you're being very harsh, but it is probably just a different outlook we have on football.

Maghoma is the usual set piece taker for this age group, and has scored freekicks in the past. I think he has built up enough credit to still be on them, though he hasn't bagged for us. I imagine White might start taking them soon.

I also think our midfield 3 controlled the game and we definitely looked the better team for large parts of the game. Bowden aquitted himself well against a very good side. Abel Ruiz was largely kept quiet by our CBs who I believe is Spain's record goalscorer at u17 level. As for Richards for a man who's been out for a quite a while, and played behind Griffiths for so long I thought he looked dangerous against Barca the big chance missed was the one on the counter, but he his turn and finish was excellent.

As BG said very pleased for Marakanday and Hinds. Markanday wasn't quite as effective as he has been in the u18s but he got a deserved start after putting in great performances and was adjusting to the slightly higher level, being a really small player.

Thought Hinds looked really good again, and great to see him back in the team.

Agreed. Thought Bowden was absolutely superb myself. The midfield 3 in the first half were too much for Barca.

 

[IGSpur]

didn't make england's u19 squad though.

cirkin(u17), eyoma(u19), kwp and onomah(u21) our only call-ups across the five age groups, tob and tanganga probably would have been in but for injury. not sure why edwards has missed out now he's actually playing games.

Well done to Cirkin for getting the call up still, I notice Madueke is missing I wonder why that is

Think Bowden, Maghoma, Markanday, Bennett maybe even White can feel the hardest done, by as not one has got a chance in the u18s after a great start to the season, but you could argue it's a bit reactive and they need to be more consistent. Though saying that the u18s is usually an experimental age group so not sure why none have been called up. It's the only time Amos got a call-up for example as there are only friendlies.

Not sure what's going on with Skipp but it's very attack heavy squad. Don't know why they have Nmecha down as a midfielder.

But it looks like they have McEachran/Kirby as creative CM talents. Harper and Gibbs-White as box to boxish who have both featured for their first teams leaving the only DM spot to go to Gallagher or Skipp. I think Gallacher is maybe slightly more versatile, well scores more goals and is captain for Chelsea so takes the spot. It will be interesting to see what happens with TOB though, as he is gnereally considered this age groups best CM, and he probably initially lost out due to injury, but I wonder if he will be able to get himself back in with performances with us, or if England just decide to select him again.

Hinds I beleive has lost any chance of getting an England call up. Unfortunately for him he was injured, but Sessegnon, has been playing for Fulham and now Aarons is being brought through by Norwich. Lamptey is tearing it up for Chelsea so he drops further down the chain, which again just shows how strong that group is. BLF is also arguably unlucky not to get a call up.

CHO must be kicking himself. Unlike Gomes he is actually phsyically ready to be playing first team football and should move up, which would allow for more attacking players to get chances but he is still with these guys. But another quality squad.

Edwards missing out is really strange as he is better than the other attacking options there plus he is actually playing. Really strange decision

 

[JimmyG2]

Really think the PL should think about introducing a quota at this point - every matchday squad must feature at least one under-23 player, homegrown from your club with fewer than 30 senior appearances. I.E. at least one young homegrown talent must be getting a chance at all times.

It would be a start certainly
but much more drastic steps should be taken.
(1) Restrictions on loan loan players.Chelsea have 40 on loan. There are steps towards this apparently
(2) On English players in squads and Match day squads.(50%)
(3) On young/ own grown players in squads and match day squads.
(4) On finance rules. The previous ones are easily avoided seemingly
(5) On sharing of the TV money throughout the leagues and support for amateur football
(6) Caps on wages and transfer fees.

Might be one of the few advantages of Brexit that we can take back control of our football.
If it means that foreign players are not so attracted all the better.

Foreign players have added much to the Premiership and English football over the years
in terms of skill levels, flair and excitement but it has got out of hand
to the detriment of our own players and opportunity for youth.
See current England squad.
If they are good enough they will play but they are blocked from competing early on.

 

[coys200]

Slightly odd a team romping away at top of U18 league and just held own against Barcelona has 1 representative in age group teams.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

It’s as if England are trying to keep the same bunch of players together from under 17 onwards. I suppose it’s not a bad idea as long as the players are good enough to be there. As long as players on the outside are recognised as they progress.
The true test of all these age groups is the under 21 champs . If we win that it will mean something. They will be up against players with lots of games under their belts. However by the look of the current England squad some of our best might bypass the under 21’s.

 

[IGSpur]

It’s as if England are trying to keep the same bunch of players together from under 17 onwards. I suppose it’s not a bad idea as long as the players are good enough to be there. As long as players on the outside are recognised as they progress.
The true test of all these age groups is the under 21 champs . If we win that it will mean something. They will be up against players with lots of games under their belts. However by the look of the current England squad some of our best might bypass the under 21’s.

It depends what age group you guys are talking about. If you're talking about the u18s, then I'd say the fact that we have done so well at the start of the season should allow for some of them to come in, especially since this age group is usually about friendlies and trying things out. Plus a lot of the players I'd consider as deserving a chance have previously featured for that age group.

If we're talking about the u19s then tbf they have brought in some new faces in Aarons and some fringe squad players like Harper and Walker. Plus as this age group has a had a fairly settled first 11 since the u17s, where even the subs rarely get games it is now an opportunity for them to become the starters and take on more responsibility and join with the new players. This means that they have a relatively tight knit group, with a few faces sprinkled in to replace those who have either been promoted or been injured.

 

[EQP]

I'd be interested to see your working on that one

My bad, meant 24 hours to prep for the cup game. They day after a game is forever ingrained in me as a mandatory recovery day.

 

[Blake Griffin]

quite a few changes today, possibly with the checkatrade game against gillingham in mind.

1-0 white

2-0 clarke

3-0 a.shashoua

4-0 markanday

5-0 parrott

6-0 clarke

7-0 pochettino

 

[Hotspur88]

White free kick 1-0

 

[Hotspur88]

3-0

 

[Cornpattbuck]

quite a few changes today, possibly with the checkatrade game against gillingham in mind.

1-0 white

2-0 clarke

3-0 a.shashoua

4-0 markanday

5-0 parrott

6-0 clarke

7-0 pochettino

They're at it again!

 

[Cornpattbuck]

We've missed a penalty and hit the bar too according to our official Twitter account.

 

[guru]

I don’t want to dampen everyone’s day , and I am not having a negative impact on our u18s winning ability , but I do feel matt wells is beginning to sound like one of these managers to win at all cost to further his career . Example , take today’s game against Norwich bottom of the u18 league , surely we should have used today’s game to play players that hardly get a game and perhaps some u16 , eg Thorpe , Rafferty pedder , Chay cooper, Kacper , could have started the game but 2 of them were not even on the bench , perhaps starting okedina Mukendi and Thorpe instead of benching them , considering some of the boys already played 3 days ago . So what I’m trying to say is as sherwood is saying some of these boys are giving the easy pass to further their careers in a quick and easy route and they are normally the ones that fail as they haven’t had to graft and go through the tough process , whilst others who are just as good but are not in the said chosen group , for whatever the reason , are left out and given a tough pathway . By us winning 6 7 8 nil week in week out at u18 level is not benefitting anyone but the managers . But at U23s level that is a different ball game so by winning at that level you begin to attract the other teams to take our boys on loan for men’s football or even for a permanent move . So maybe wells would be a better option as an U23s manager ? This is just my opinion

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Regarding Matt Wells ...I recorded the under 19 game and watched it yesterday. I was struck by the racket he was making. Have watched last couple of seasons in this comp and don’t recall our other coaches shouting and bawling as much. Dier said that the Portuguese coaches at Sporting did not shout. Preferring to let the players figure things out for themselves. Not criticising him for this as the team is doing well this season and various successful managers never shut up Antonio Conte for one.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I don’t want to dampen everyone’s day , and I am not having a negative impact on our u18s winning ability , but I do feel matt wells is beginning to sound like one of these managers to win at all cost to further his career . Example , take today’s game against Norwich bottom of the u18 league , surely we should have used today’s game to play players that hardly get a game and perhaps some u16 , eg Thorpe , Rafferty pedder , Chay cooper, Kacper , could have started the game but 2 of them were not even on the bench , perhaps starting okedina Mukendi and Thorpe instead of benching them , considering some of the boys already played 3 days ago . So what I’m trying to say is as sherwood is saying some of these boys are giving the easy pass to further their careers in a quick and easy route and they are normally the ones that fail as they haven’t had to graft and go through the tough process , whilst others who are just as good but are not in the said chosen group , for whatever the reason , are left out and given a tough pathway . By us winning 6 7 8 nil week in week out at u18 level is not benefitting anyone but the managers . But at U23s level that is a different ball game so by winning at that level you begin to attract the other teams to take our boys on loan for men’s football or even for a permanent move . So maybe wells would be a better option as an U23s manager ? This is just my opinion

thorpe, pedder and cooper all have one thing in common and that is that they're small/slight, maybe wells(and mcdermott) feel that physically they're not quite there yet - it is a bit worrisome for thorpe that as a 2nd year he's still not started an u18 game yet though. of the team today only markanday started the uyl game with a.shashoua, patterson and white coming off the bench so it's not like the same players are being flogged. lyons-foster, bowden, maghoma, bennett and richards could have played today but they were all left out, the u18s only play once a week so it's not easy to share the games around but overall i think we've done a decent job of it so far this season.

 

[Blake Griffin]

@guru think this is the video you meant to link?

 

[guru]

@guru think this is the video you meant to link?

Sorry yes it was thanks

 

[Blake Griffin]

edwards starts for excelsior away to pec zwolle, ko 6:45.

Sorry yes it was thanks

always like listening to sherwood when it comes to youth stuff, just a shame he doesn't play well with others. makes me wonder what mcdermott is like behind the scenes, is he really pushing poch to play or to find a better way of developing our biggest talents? doesn't particularly seem like it watching from the outside.

 

[coys200]

Regarding Matt Wells ...I recorded the under 19 game and watched it yesterday. I was struck by the racket he was making. Have watched last couple of seasons in this comp and don’t recall our other coaches shouting and bawling as much. Dier said that the Portuguese coaches at Sporting did not shout. Preferring to let the players figure things out for themselves. Not criticising him for this as the team is doing well this season and various successful managers never shut up Antonio Conte for one.

Which game do you mean the UYL isn’t McDermott taking that team ?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Which game do you mean the UYL isn’t McDermott taking that team ?

they both do.